Hacking New 3DS FlashCart - Sky3DS firmware 9.0

Foxi4 · Oct 26, 2014

Chaldron said:
Very interesting.

I've got a question though: many of you are saying it's a 1:1 copy of a real cart, as no exploit is shown. However, didn't the original R4s work the same way for DS? You popped it in and the system recognized it, and it booted into the R4 menu. There was no loading required (such as is necessary with the mset hack for 4.5).

Not claiming it is or isn't an exploit, just wondering how you all are so sure it's a 1:1 clone.

DS flashcarts used an exploit in the ROM header, that's why you couldn't "see" it executing. Later when the encryption was broken the exploit didn't really matter anymore. You often can't judge whether an expoit is being used or not just by looking at the screen, we don't know what's going on in the background.

Chaldron · Oct 26, 2014

Foxi4 said:
DS flashcarts used an exploit in the ROM header, that's why you couldn't "see" it executing. Later when the encryption was broken the exploit didn't really matter anymore. You often can't judge whether an expoit is being used or not just by looking at the screen, we don't know what's going on in the background.

Ah, okay. Thanks!

luney · Oct 26, 2014

Actually, if I remember correctly, the DS flashcarts used an actual header from an actual cart to fool the DS into loading the flashcart firmwares. This was done by storing an actual cart header on a small chip that was read first by the DS hardware. I dunno if you remember or not that when the DS first booted the older DS flashcarts it always showed the game info for an actual game (usually really crappy ones lol) (like right now my ak2i shows up as PIPPA FUNNEL by Ubisoft) Once it recognized it as an actual cartridge it allowed whatever code was there to run. normatt explained this all a very long time ago when he was explaining why the ak2i cartridge was going to stop working at some point. I think, if I recall correctly, that there were only so many games with headers that could be used and nintendo was blacklisting those games, or something like that. My memory about the exact details is fuzzy so I might be mistaken or talking outta my butt. cracker or FAST might know more details. I'm still very excited about this cart. I hope it is real. It would be a fantasticand affordable solution for my kid.

Foxi4 · Oct 26, 2014

luney said:
Actually, if I remember correctly, the DS flashcarts used an actual header from an actual cart to fool the DS into loading the flashcart firmwares. This was done by storing an actual cart header on a small chip that was read first by the DS hardware. I dunno if you remember or not that when the DS first booted the older DS flashcarts it always showed the game info for an actual game (usually really crappy ones lol) Once it recognized it as an actual cartridge it allowed whatever code was there to run. normatt explained this all a very long time ago when he was explaining why the ak2i cartridge was going to stop working at some point. I think, if I recall correctly, that there were only so many games with headers that could be used and nintendo was blacklisting those games, or something like that. My memory about the exact details is fuzzy so I might be mistaken or talking outta my butt. cracker or FAST might know more details. I'm still very excited about this cart. I hope it is real. It would be a fantasticand affordable solution for my kid.

The AK2i wasn't blocked because we ran out of games that have a vulnerable header, the AK2i was blocked on the basis of save IC recognition.

The 3DS firmware v4.4.0-10 added a new feature which blocked Flash Kits based on their save IC. Many kits have a proper save IC but this information is burned into an area of the chip which is not rewritable by the end-consumer. These kits were unable to release an update, and so far it appears that the AK2i is among them. As a result of the 3DS update almost all Flash Kits have been permanently blocked.

gamesquest1 · Oct 26, 2014

the original R4 cards didnt use any spoofing techniques, they where only made to get past the checks implemented on the DSi and 3DS, but the underlying security in place on the NDS card was pretty poor which is why it was just a game of cat and mouse with NDS flashcard compatibility for DSi and 3DS

Foxi4 · Oct 26, 2014

gamesquest1 said:
the original R4 cards didnt use any spoofing techniques, they where only made to get past the checks implemented on the DSi and 3DS, but the underlying security in place on the NDS card was pretty poor which is why it was just a game of cat and mouse with NDS flashcard compatibility for DSi and 3DS

Exactly. As far as the DS is concerned, the moment the encryption was broken, it was game over.

Jayro · Oct 26, 2014

Scorchy said:
TELL ME IT'S A JOKE! I sold my 9.0 3DS XL, and invested around 360$ on 3DS XL 4.5 + Gateway + Micro SD, i even lost my saves cuz i couldnt do system transfer, i got the 4.5 3ds not a week ago, and now this

Sounds like some pretty shitty timing on your part.

luney · Oct 26, 2014

Ahhhhhh see I remembered it had something to do with a chip in them. Thanks for the clarification Foxi. I miss my ak2i too. That was an awesome flashkit. One of these days I will get around to updating my SCDS2 so I can use it in my 3DS.

Back on topic, has anyone actually gotten a response from these guys yet with any more info?

Huntereb · Oct 26, 2014

luney said:
Back on topic, has anyone actually gotten a response from these guys yet with any more info?

I don't think so. Just resellers claiming that they're getting shipments to draw attention to their sites.

Doran754 · Oct 26, 2014

any estimated time of arrival on these things? I've got my 4.5 and a 9.0 XL, I'd be tempted if it werent $120, what a joke that is. And I sure as shit won't be the first to buy one, Infact I doubt I'd buy one within the first 6 months I'm a massive skeptic and can see it being patched or done over within an update .. If this turns out to be real that is, but just for the sake of It I won't be updating my 9.0 XL anytime soon, infact If SKY3DS is still going strong in 6 months I'll be jumping on the N3DS ship.

Shadow#1 · Oct 26, 2014

Wekker said:
120 dollar for a flash cart is way over the limit, gateway was allready too expensive.

EDIT: It said it works on version 9.0.0-20 . It could mean that there is a loophole in this version only.

WOW only $120 ill buy 2 at that price so cheap, damn kids today spoiled by the $2-4 ds flashcarts back in the day gba flashcart were $300

ov3rkill · Oct 26, 2014

I can just imagine New 3DS plus sky3DS, now that would be awesome.

Doran754 · Oct 26, 2014

ov3rkill said:
I can just imagine New 3DS plus sky3DS, now that would be awesome.

Plus SSpwn (however you spell it)

eriol33 · Oct 26, 2014

120? no thanks. I will stick with gateway. I can buy 4-5 legit games with that much money.

andalù 69 · Oct 26, 2014

Hello Guys
I would have one question for you: Ok now with firmware 9.0.0.20
This flash card seems to work on every 2DS 3ds 3dsxl ....
For now !!! But you think that the next firmware 10.0.0.
This flash card still works ... or Nintendo can lock the operation forever ???
There is also no Emunand here..and then as you upgrade your flash card ??
It seems to me that there is much enthusiasm for no good reason on this flash card
$ 120 for a flash card of dubious effectiveness are too many ..maybe for $ 40
The positive thing perhaps and maybe the team gateways due to the competition
with other teams to finally release a flash card compatible with 9.0.0.20 Emunand obvious
PS: it is not so impossible to find a 3ds- 3ds xl good for gateway for now !!!

Huntereb · Oct 26, 2014

andalù 69 said:
This flash card still works ... or Nintendo can lock the operation forever ???

No one knows exactly how it works, so we can't say for sure. My guess is that it'll get patched as soon as it's in the community's hands. Then? Who knows what the creators will do.

TwinkleSparkles · Oct 26, 2014

They are making the same mistake as Gateway. Keeping a price too high to chase away the potential buyers. If Gateway's launch price were $50-60, no one would have bought a clone.

How large is the library for the 3DS? We only have Smash Brothers 3DS and new Pokemon games to pirate on this card. Other older games must have been pirated by now.

You can get the 3 upcoming games for this price, support Nintendo, why support piracy when there is nothing to gain?

If this card is $60 then I will definitely buy 1 for collection otherwise they can go *bleep* *bleep*.

Bye...

andalù 69 · Oct 26, 2014

ok .. you can not predict the future.
However, the patches would be better did the manufacturer of the flash card ??
I have a feeling that is flash card is a rip off the only reason to buy it is the compatibility for the 2DS 3ds 3ds xl latest 5.1.0 firmware when the new year Nintendo will release 10.xx firmwar ..We see what happens
whether it will be supported 10.x.x. Firmware all yuppie and I for one ..

dontay0100 · Oct 26, 2014

Please for the love of God release this after the N3DS hits USA!!!

Huntereb · Oct 26, 2014

dontay0100 said:
Please for the love of God release this after the N3DS hits USA!!!

If they were smart, they'd do that.

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