Neimod has full kernel control from an unmodified 3DS

karyuudo · Dec 31, 2012

http://www.maxconsole.com/news/DS/M...out-potential-3DS-piracy-RKLS00000018870.html

"Piracy on the Nintendo DS crippled the DS retail market, especially in Europe. We’ll never know how/if Dementium II landed in as many hands as the first game, Dementium: The Ward, due to the rampant piracy at the time. Dementium: The Ward sold more than 100,000 copies worldwide, which is a great success for an original mature-rated title on the DS. Recorded sales of Dementium II are less than half that. We’ll never truly know why that was so, but many seem to believe that piracy had a lot to do with it."

I call BS on this. Just because your game didn't sell well doesn't mean people pirated it. There's so many other factors to that. Was it marketed correctly? Did anyone know of this game? Heck I've never even heard of the first one.

the_randomizer · Dec 31, 2012

NahuelDS said:
yeap... and NTSC is short for Never Twice The Same Color

NTTSC? At least our games are 20% faster. It's supposed to be "Never The Same Colour".

PolloDiablo · Dec 31, 2012

the_randomizer said:
NTTSC? At least our games are 20% faster. It's supposed to be "Never The Same Colour".

hahaha lol

.... the 2nd T doesn't count

the_randomizer · Dec 31, 2012

NahuelDS said:
hahaha lol .... the 2nd T doesn't count

I know for handhelds, NTSC/PAL makes no difference in speed.

J-Machine · Dec 31, 2012

Removing the region lock and opening up the media capabilities is what's exciting me the most about hacking the 3ds. with the wii and ds I also used it to demo games but the 3ds is capable of giving one demos and releasing emulated games via the e-shop. Also last gen for nintendo was full of garbage games so that didn't help there.

I guess it would also be nice to have my entire collection on an SD card but to be honest, I usually play one game exclusively so this won't bother me at all.

JPnintendo · Dec 31, 2012

I have the feeling that the exploit is based on the mario kart patch, that could be a way to the 3ds mode without using some hardware to access to the data save on the game. I know that someone said that it is a save exploit, but... who knows?

the_randomizer · Dec 31, 2012

I just want Snes9x on the 3DS (based off of version 1.52 would be good), but I can dream, can't I?

Sly 3 4 me · Dec 31, 2012

This page is cited on Kitguru for the hack, pretty interesting.

Kitguru

heartgold · Dec 31, 2012

Officially confirmed on the 3Dbrew main page under latest news and updated the OP.

29 December 12 Neimod has gained full kernel control from an unmodified 3DS

http://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/Main_Page

omgpwn666 · Dec 31, 2012

karyuudo said:
http://www.maxconsole.com/news/DS/M...out-potential-3DS-piracy-RKLS00000018870.html

"Piracy on the Nintendo DS crippled the DS retail market, especially in Europe. We’ll never know how/if Dementium II landed in as many hands as the first game, Dementium: The Ward, due to the rampant piracy at the time. Dementium: The Ward sold more than 100,000 copies worldwide, which is a great success for an original mature-rated title on the DS. Recorded sales of Dementium II are less than half that. We’ll never truly know why that was so, but many seem to believe that piracy had a lot to do with it."

I call BS on this. Just because your game didn't sell well doesn't mean people pirated it. There's so many other factors to that. Was it marketed correctly? Did anyone know of this game? Heck I've never even heard of the first one.

I can say that I love Dementium and would have bought number 2 if I couldn't pirate it. Sadly I am greedy that way, I won't buy a game I pirate. I do believe the sales took an impact from piracy.

Kioku · Dec 31, 2012

Foxi4 said:
..something along the lines of "We hacked the PSP Go, we're not releasing the hack, the Go won't ever be hacked" or something like that. What's the point of doing that - rubbing your success into someone's face? Not cool.

Those guys made me laugh. I remember those days.. Also, I'm not going to hold it against neimod if this is never released... I mean, I'm sure he has his reasons for doing this. It's surely not a matter of "Oh, look what I did! You can't have it!" I really doubt it's that.. Not to mention the scene itself takes a lot of what they have for granted, and there have been cases of leaks before in the past. So, what would be the point of him releasing an unfinished exploit, or hack, or whatever it is he has done now?

ThatDudeWithTheFood · Dec 31, 2012

omgpwn666 said:
I can say that I love Dementium and would have bought number 2 if I couldn't pirate it. Sadly I am greedy that way, I wont buy a game I pirate. And I do believe the sales took an impact from piracy.

Of course they took an impact.
The question is how much of an impact.
It's probably not nearly as much as the developers of the game would have you think.

Armadillo · Dec 31, 2012

the_randomizer said:
NTTSC? At least our games are 20% faster. It's supposed to be "Never The Same Colour".

PAL60 says hi.

Pal colour, ntsc speed

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Gun Slinger Boy · Dec 31, 2012

Gotta see what this can do. Maybe we can load ROMs and stuff like with the PSP.
I'd like to see what kind of emulation the 3DS can run.
I can see them holding it back until the 3DS has a larger base and library of games, but does Nintendo and the general public have to know?

the_randomizer · Dec 31, 2012

Armadillo said:
PAL60 says hi.

Pal colour, ntsc speed .

FAST6191 · Dec 31, 2012

The 20% faster thing kind of got solved long before the need for PAL60 (though PAL intended displays have been able to handle NTSC for decades) and indeed was just the lazily ported games, which did sadly include enough the library and companies that should have done better to be more than notable, that suffered there.

Today it is mainly those with North American sets (not sure about Japan) that suffer as they tend not to support PAL, as covered though if we are all supposed to be on digital sets and the reasons for the 50/60Hz split are distant memories of darker times for electronics (to say nothing of programming techniques/underlying hardware removing the issue from the other side) it is all good really.

jimmyemunoz · Dec 31, 2012

the_randomizer said:
NTTSC? It's supposed to be "Never The Same Colour".

I don't reallly care to argue, but the phrase NahuelDS used, is correct. Here is a quote from Al Fasoldt, a columnist for The Post-Standard newspaper in Syracuse, New York (who has written about computers and consumer technology since 1983) "Punsters quickly changed the name of the NTSC system to Never Twice the Same Color, and engineers fumed." #mce_temp_url# < -----Good (quick) read if you want some background information on why the NTSC is a crippled encoding system, and why it was chosen.

the_randomizer · Dec 31, 2012

PAL50 sucks, PAL60 is where it's at.

Bitbyte · Jan 1, 2013

gamefan5 said:
*Sigh I knew something like this would happen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTSC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL
The console's region is indicated the same as handheld, as in EUR, JAP, NA. NOT it's compatible video mode. You don't say it's a NTSC console and btw nowhere in my consoles say it's an NTSC console (considering it doesn't even make sense). You say it's an NTSC compatible console. However, gamers don't make this distinction and they say that these video formats are associated to video games when it is not. It's for TV's. NTSC and PAL are encoding systems used in selected regions. The reason it's used in video games is the fact that for example, a EUR and US wii have a different compatible video mode.

I didn't say anywhere that they are called PAL games or NTSC games (or consoles for that matter), I said that PAL or NTSC is the region of the game. Of course they are video formats, I'm not sure why you think anyone doubts that or thinks that PAL and NTSC are strictly there for games. People use PAL and NTSC for the old consoles since that's the video format they use, do you really think they don't know it's just shorthand for being compatible with that format?

You do realize that a game outputs in either PAL or NTSC for the older consoles, right? These video formats are associated with video games, just not strictly, they are associated with all non-HD content. Also, lots of non-HD games have the NTSC or PAL tag, either on the front cover or the back cover. Here's an example of Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped for PSX: http://images.wikia.com/crashban/images/7/75/Crash_Bandicoot_Warped_Boxart.jpg .

So, just to be clear: I'm well aware that NTSC and PAL are a TV format and that they are only used on games to indicate what region's TVs the game will properly display on.

omgpwn666 · Jan 1, 2013

ThatDudeWithTheFood said:
It's probably not nearly as much as the developers of the game would have you think.

No one can make the call of how much of an impact it had though, so we will never know. On topic though, I am looking forward to a 3DS hack, but at the same time I'm not.

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