Hacking 3DS may spell end to Ninty's piracy woes.

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QUOTE(CamulaHikari @ Jul 10 2010, 02:12 PM)
It won't be the end~! People will eventually get to it, it will just take a lot of patience. There is a way to achieve anything, if one really tries~!


People can try as hard as they like it doesn't necessarily mean it'll work. See the PS3 for an example. Or the current generation of satellite receiver boxes, piracy used to be a big problem with these but now they can no longer be hacked. Closed systems can infact be secure, don't just assume something will get done just because. However saying that, i can't see Nintendo who are notoriously bad in this area to manage to do it.

The PS3 was fully hacked last year by fail0verflow. Although it's been secured for newer firmwares, it's still completely hackable and one developer that we know of has already found a way (short of the npdrm algo required to complete it). As for the current generation of satellite boxes, sure they can't be hacked. But haven't you ever heard of a Dreambox? Those things can receive the decryption key from an Internet or local source as it is constantly updated, effectively allowing you to share a single subscription across millions of boxes.

I think Nintendo should tone down the cockiness a little – Sony claimed the PS3 was unhackable and they just had possibly the worst year ever.

EDIT

Sorry, I just realized I replied to a really old thread :-\
 

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QUOTE(Thoob @ Jul 10 2010, 08:31 AM)

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"I actually asked Nintendo to explain the technology and they said it's very difficult to do so because it's so sophisticated," he continued. "They combated the piracy on DSi, which they don't believe is cracked yet - but they know they've been hurt across the world and they believe the 3DS has got technology that can stop that.

I know the DSi hasn't been opened fully for CFW, etc. but to say that "They combated the piracy on DSi" is nothing short of a joke.


Don't forget DSi Ware. They don't make too much on it, but there is no published way to pirate it.
True. And DSi mode may have been breached, but it still wouldn't give in to hackers-- not fully, at the very least. And it took very specific, easily pinpointable (hence, easily fixed) exploits.

WIth the 3DS' Spotpass feature, updating firmware has never been easier. Granted, it still isn't automatic, but it effectively denies you access to the eShop (hence, access to new software) unless you update. Plus, some games will force the update on you, leaving either a blocked flashcart, or a very light plastic paperweight (if you decided not to update).

But, eventually the 3DS will be hacked. Eventually. I just hope the flashcart industry leaves the 3DS mode alone long enough for Nintendo to not care any more. Just give them a little bit of a leeway to earn enough to continue giving support and new features, and then open 3DS mode to make the handheld very attractive to the world at large. Which will definitely generate hardware sales, at the cost of a chunk of the software sales.

I'd be happy with a flashcart that can natively play full 3D movies though. Ah, just imagining being able to watch 3D movies on the go is such a joy.
 

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Where I live DS games are about $70 (that's DS not 3DS) and that's $54 USD (Even many second hand ds games are that price).
3DS games are normally about $90 and that's $70 USD.

Now let's compare to another system that has a lot of piracy PC.
PC has way more games, bigger games and better games but it isn't portable.
A brand new pc game (we'll use Skyrim for an example) costs $108 and is massive and has heeeeaps to do (that's $83 USD)

I'm not sure how Nintendo justifies charging that much and with the current economic downturn it's a tad rough to expect people to pay that much per game on top of $328 for the console ($253 USD). This is why I personally picked up a flash cart for my DSL. I bought plenty of games (mostly second hand) before I got this cart and still buy the odd game (like SS) but it's too expensive.

Still, I want a 3DS, but now I'm a uni student and am about to be very broke. I'm hoping that eventually there'll be a proper flashcart for 3DS since there's already carts that are able to run ds roms on the 3DS (R4iGold3D) but I'm keeping my DSL so that's not important just now.

Either bring down prices or make more excellent games (again I'm picky like many flashcart owners) that are worth paying the extra bucks for.

But ultimately I agree with what numerous people have said "If it's made by humans [or even I would guess machines made by humans] then it can be cracked [or worked around] by humans". I shall watch with interest and cross my fingers for a real 3DS flashcart in the next few years (though there may or may not be one in the works now).

And? You think they are fair with the Euro? No way.

Don't whine move to the USA done.
 

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"They combated the piracy on Dsi, which they don't believe is cracked yet"

wat?

Dolei, there is an H in what. We aren't 4chan.

DSi mode hasn't been fully hacked yet is what he means. But I think with your post count, I couldn't expect you to know that though. I was rather disappointed with the CycloDSi for this reason but I got a deal on it anyway so I didn't have to pay full price. It is just sitting and I'm not sure if it even works with the current 3ds updates lol. Nobody seems to talk about that cart.

Anyways folks, combatting piracy on 3DS:

-even if you could pirate them, the games are quite large to store
-games won't transfer as fast to flash carts due to the size
-you won't be able to store as many games on a flash cart if one was made
-it takes ages to hack Nintendo's handhelds. DSi mode as stated above isn't completely hacked yet and the DSi is aging
-no GBA cart port and this system only has one cartridge port this time (although we have seen people disassemble the entire thing and solder wires all over the place and play with it, it isn't as simple as it once was)

Exploitable things on the 3DS:
-Well it has a full size SD slot now and we all know what happened with the PSP and their Pro Duo slot
-Accepts DS/DSi flash carts
-Part of the protection is only a small nub on the 3DS cart to tell the system that it has a 3D game inserted lol
 

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seriously people the xbox and the 360 have been hacked for a long time ,and so is ps3 , and you can hack those for free at soem point without having to buy any hardware,not so much anymore but still, you dont see it hurting those systems, face it every system was able to play pirated games ,it has nothing to do with shovelware, hell the american nes was about the least piracy enabled system and yet there are plenty of crap titles for it too , the reason for the shovelware is that the userbase for the ds consists mainly of kids , and the lazy douche bad fly by night developers that make this garbage know they can make money,plain and simple, they prey on unsuspecting parents and rely on the the nag factor for their existence

seriously AM I SUPPOSED TO FEEL BAD FOR A COMPANY LIKE NINTENDO? who could afford to hire japanese people or americans to manufacture their products but to save a buck they rely on chinese slave labor, i can post pictures here of chinese factories with suicide nets around the buildings to prevent the workers fro jumping to their deaths and of 2 and 3 year old children alone chained to light posts like dogs in the cold while their parents work in the factories , they deserve what ever come their way, i dont feel the least bit guilty, i feel more guilty about paying for their products and supporting this

What the hell are you talking about...


Anyways folks, combatting piracy on 3DS:

-even if you could pirate them, the games are quite large to store
-games won't transfer as fast to flash carts due to the size
-you won't be able to store as many games on a flash cart if one was made
-it takes ages to hack Nintendo's handhelds. DSi mode as stated above isn't completely hacked yet and the DSi is aging
-no GBA cart port and this system only has one cartridge port this time (although we have seen people disassemble the entire thing and solder wires all over the place and play with it, it isn't as simple as it once was)

Exploitable things on the 3DS:
-Well it has a full size SD slot now and we all know what happened with the PSP and their Pro Duo slot
-Accepts DS/DSi flash carts
-Part of the protection is only a small nub on the 3DS cart to tell the system that it has a 3D game inserted lol

I think the nub is purely there to stop you from putting 3DS games in a DS (which really does nothing :I)
Also im pretty sure if someone could rip the firmware on the 3DS into a file they may find some sort of source or exploit.

But IMO I think if we are able to bypass 3DS mode and fully hack the system the sheer size of games will discourage most from buying it, in the end I think were going to just end up using it purely for homebrew and region unlocking.
 

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seriously people the xbox and the 360 have been hacked for a long time ,and so is ps3 , and you can hack those for free at soem point without having to buy any hardware,not so much anymore but still, you dont see it hurting those systems, face it every system was able to play pirated games ,it has nothing to do with shovelware, hell the american nes was about the least piracy enabled system and yet there are plenty of crap titles for it too , the reason for the shovelware is that the userbase for the ds consists mainly of kids , and the lazy douche bad fly by night developers that make this garbage know they can make money,plain and simple, they prey on unsuspecting parents and rely on the the nag factor for their existence

seriously AM I SUPPOSED TO FEEL BAD FOR A COMPANY LIKE NINTENDO? who could afford to hire japanese people or americans to manufacture their products but to save a buck they rely on chinese slave labor, i can post pictures here of chinese factories with suicide nets around the buildings to prevent the workers fro jumping to their deaths and of 2 and 3 year old children alone chained to light posts like dogs in the cold while their parents work in the factories , they deserve what ever come their way, i dont feel the least bit guilty, i feel more guilty about paying for their products and supporting this
360 is far from being hacked, and no flashing isnt equal to hacking.
 

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seriously AM I SUPPOSED TO FEEL BAD FOR A COMPANY LIKE NINTENDO? who could afford to hire japanese people or americans to manufacture their products but to save a buck they rely on chinese slave labor, i can post pictures here of chinese factories with suicide nets around the buildings to prevent the workers fro jumping to their deaths and of 2 and 3 year old children alone chained to light posts like dogs in the cold while their parents work in the factories , they deserve what ever come their way, i dont feel the least bit guilty, i feel more guilty about paying for their products and supporting this

So where are these photos? I could say that I could post pictures of the Queen in a bukake session, but if I don't back them up.... it's just a 'shocking' statement.
 

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seriously people the xbox and the 360 have been hacked for a long time ,and so is ps3 , and you can hack those for free at soem point without having to buy any hardware,not so much anymore but still, you dont see it hurting those systems, face it every system was able to play pirated games ,it has nothing to do with shovelware, hell the american nes was about the least piracy enabled system and yet there are plenty of crap titles for it too , the reason for the shovelware is that the userbase for the ds consists mainly of kids , and the lazy douche bad fly by night developers that make this garbage know they can make money,plain and simple, they prey on unsuspecting parents and rely on the the nag factor for their existence

seriously AM I SUPPOSED TO FEEL BAD FOR A COMPANY LIKE NINTENDO? who could afford to hire japanese people or americans to manufacture their products but to save a buck they rely on chinese slave labor, i can post pictures here of chinese factories with suicide nets around the buildings to prevent the workers fro jumping to their deaths and of 2 and 3 year old children alone chained to light posts like dogs in the cold while their parents work in the factories , they deserve what ever come their way, i dont feel the least bit guilty, i feel more guilty about paying for their products and supporting this
360 is far from being hacked, and no flashing isnt equal to hacking.
well there is now the rgh(reset glitch hack) id say that constitutes a hack , sure you loose online ,so if you want live a flash is better for you, already have no online on ps3 cause imon cfw so i stick to flashing or odde


 

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seriously people the xbox and the 360 have been hacked for a long time ,and so is ps3 , and you can hack those for free at soem point without having to buy any hardware,not so much anymore but still, you dont see it hurting those systems, face it every system was able to play pirated games ,it has nothing to do with shovelware, hell the american nes was about the least piracy enabled system and yet there are plenty of crap titles for it too , the reason for the shovelware is that the userbase for the ds consists mainly of kids , and the lazy douche bad fly by night developers that make this garbage know they can make money,plain and simple, they prey on unsuspecting parents and rely on the the nag factor for their existence

seriously AM I SUPPOSED TO FEEL BAD FOR A COMPANY LIKE NINTENDO? who could afford to hire japanese people or americans to manufacture their products but to save a buck they rely on chinese slave labor, i can post pictures here of chinese factories with suicide nets around the buildings to prevent the workers fro jumping to their deaths and of 2 and 3 year old children alone chained to light posts like dogs in the cold while their parents work in the factories , they deserve what ever come their way, i dont feel the least bit guilty, i feel more guilty about paying for their products and supporting this
360 is far from being hacked, and no flashing isnt equal to hacking.
well there is now the rgh(reset glitch hack) id say that constitutes a hack , sure you loose online ,so if you want live a flash is better for you, already have no online on ps3 cause imon cfw so i stick to flashing or odde


 

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i never said that nintendo specifically did, i said they use chinese slave labor, and what? you think cause this 1 company got caught or was publicized ,thts its the only one? if this is what you do see ,then what you dont see is 100x worse and i am not singeing out nintendo here all companies do it ,nokia i know is really bad ,but they all are
this systemic its a commie government ,all chinese labor is slave labor ,but especially the kind used by big multinational public corporations
 

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I know this topic has gone ... off-topic , but i can't help but to chime in on the whole Chinese suicide thing. There has been this whole misconception about Chinese labor forces being "slave labor" , and the deplorable conditions under which they work.

Back when the Foxconn suicides were at a peak , and it was in the media everyday, I decided to do a bit of research. When I say research , I mean internet searches and reading. Here are just a few facts that have always seemed to be left out of most news stories.

The short:
Foxconn Shenzhen employs 420,000 employees .. Employee suicide rate WELL below nation average.

Foxconn pays the family of suicide 110,000 yuan ($17402.00 USD)

Foxconn gives FREE food and FREE dorm style housing

The average American employed person worked 46 hours per week, and 38 percent worked more than 50 hours.

It seems to me that the major contributing factor here is not treatment (though I suppose it may be harsh). Most of these employees get WAY more perks than their American counterparts. Most of these employees work roughly the same week hours as their American counterparts (without the daily commute). It seems to me to more of a problem with the $17402 payout one may be able to send to their family upon death.

The Long:

"Foxconn employs hundreds of thousands of employees, including the almost 420,000 at the plant in Shenzhen where the suicides are occurring, which is the size of a fairly sized city in most parts of the world. Most of these employees are migrant workers, coming into cities from rural China to find a job. China’s rate of suicide, according to the most recent figures (1999) from the World Health Organization (WHO), are 13 men out of every 100,000 and 14.8 suicides per 100,000 people for women every year. Given the number of people working at the factory, you could expect anywhere between 30 and 56 people committing suicide at Foxconn every year. Considering the fact that the year is almost halfway through and there have only been 10 suicides, Foxconn is well below the national average"
(source http://www.globalsurance.com/blog/insurance-cover-limitations-related-to-suicide-the-foxconn-perspective-111720.html)


"Foxconn finds itself in the position of continuing to pay 110,000 yuan (£11,000) in compensation to every person who jumps. For a depressed Foxconn employee, who still feels an obligation to repay his family for the cost of his or her upbringing and who would like to give his parents a lump sum that could transform their lives, this is a very tempting sum.
For a worker on the basic rate of 900 yuan a month, the compensation amounts to the equivalent of over ten years of gross salary. For a worker who is doing overtime and earning 1500 yuan a month, the compensation is still worth six years of salary."

(source http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/malcolmmoore/100041277/why-foxconn-cannot-stop-its-suicides/)

"If an army marches on its stomach, so does Foxconn. This kitchen, and the cafes around the campus, are what differentiates this campus from any other factory I’ve seen. Most factories have cafeterias, usually run by a caterer like Sodexho, but except for a few licensed purveyors in the factory most of the food comes through this efficient kitchen. Food is, for the most part, subsidized if not free and the employees get room and board as part of their work plan. With few expenses the little money they make can go back to parents at home or into savings. On the whole it’s a patriarchal system that had worked for decades, ensuring loyalty at the price of ten hour workdays and around-the-clock work when major orders come through."
(source http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/22/the-future-of-foxconn-200-pigs/)

"The average employed person worked 46 hours per week, and 38 percent worked more than 50 hours."
(source http://whyfiles.org/shorties/076sleep/index.html)
 

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I should employ Morphius and make him stay in dorms and see what it does to heeeeeem :moogle:

Also if you guys don't like foxconn you might want to find another hobby because once I feel that I don't own any foxconn hardware, I start seeing it appear in practically every computer I own. So sad as that may be, one would have to do way too much research to find products that don't contain any foxconn branded things inside.

I am pretty confident that both my laptops and all of my PC motherboards have foxconn parts on them :O And Nintendo? who knows. I remember they used to use a lot of mitsumi parts but other than that I dunno where they get stuff from. Mitsumi sure did a good job making parts for SNES controllers (that is, opposed to Sega which I had seen wear out a lot and I have never seen a worn out SNES joypad although I guess it can happen oh and come to think of it, all those old gravis gamepads for PC would wear out a lot sooner than anything else which sucked)

MERRY CHRISTMAS MORPHIUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS
 

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