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[POLL] U.S. Presidential Election 2016

Whom will/would you vote for?

  • Laurence Kotlikoff (Independent)

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  • Tom Hoefling (America's Party)

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  • Mike Maturen (American Solidarity Party)

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chrisrlink

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what the fuck os wrong with America? letting a damn racist into the office and who knows if he's unstable (starts WW3 total nuclear holocost) I just pray to Allah that Trump gets arrested for child rape what should've happened 2X over but throw a judge 1 mil and he will be aquitted the judicial system fuck the entire us governent is corrupt

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I'd say move to canada while you can guys if trump gets elected he'll probably shut down the US/Canadian border to prevent people from fleeing
 

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what the fuck os wrong with America? letting a damn racist into the office and who knows if he's unstable (starts WW3 total nuclear holocost) I just pray to Allah that Trump gets arrested for child rape what should've happened 2X over but throw a judge 1 mil and he will be aquitted the judicial system fuck the entire us governent is corrupt

Americans is what's wrong with America. Americans with guns.
 

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what the fuck os wrong with America? letting a damn racist into the office and who knows if he's unstable (starts WW3 total nuclear holocost) I just pray to Allah that Trump gets arrested for child rape what should've happened 2X over but throw a judge 1 mil and he will be aquitted the judicial system fuck the entire us governent is corrupt

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I'd say move to canada while you can guys if trump gets elected he'll probably shut down the US/Canadian border to prevent people from fleeing
Do you have any clue how much it would cost to move to Canada? Very few people could ever do that.
 
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Forgetting the fact that Hillary is the pro-war candidate this time around? And what, no one wants to move to Mexico instead of Canada?
 

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Forgetting the fact that Hillary is the pro-war candidate this time around? And what, no one wants to move to Mexico instead of Canada?
I'd be going to Germany if that were the case. And let's not forget that Mike Pence, the guy who would actually be running the country, also voted to go to war with Iraq
 

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Yeah, he's the only independent party in a LONG while who's actually had a shot of even being on the ballot
Actually last time he was in the ballot in 47 or 48 states i believe. The Libertarians normally get on the ballot pretty well but they do not qualify for the funding or major party status in most areas.
 

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Actually last time he was in the ballot in 47 or 48 states i believe. The Libertarians normally get on the ballot pretty well but they do not qualify for the funding or major party status in most areas.
Oh? I thought you actually had to hit the 15% polling status to be officially on the ballot?
 

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The data is pretty clear that a truly random sample can indeed be representative of a larger population if the sample size is large enough. The larger the sample size, the more accurate the results (i.e. the smaller the margin of error). Any objective test for statistical significance shows that a sample size of 1,000 or 2,000 can be representative of 319 million with a reasonable margin of error. I would expect that virtually every statistician agrees on the power of random sampling. Aggregate polling has a great track record in predicting the results of elections, particularly when they're just before an election.

You can do a test yourself to gauge the power of random sampling. Let's say I am about to flip a coin 319 million times. Pretending we don't know the ratio of heads to tails in a coin flip, how many coin flips would you have to do in order to have a satisfactory random sample to figure out the likely result of my 319 million coin flips? The answer isn't even close to 319 million.

However, you do bring up a great point about how polls are very often treated as jerk-off material. A poll is only a snapshot in time (i.e. results may change wildly just as public opinion may change), and not all polls are created equal for the reasons I explained above. Therefore, it's easy for someone on one side of the political isle to engage in confirmation bias and only look at the polls that tell the story he or she wants to hear. If one cares more about what's true and less about what helps him or her sleep at night, it's important to look at careful aggregates and not focus too much on any single poll. Outliers will always exist in one direction or another for many reasons I've already outlined.

For example, an Ipsos poll came out recently showing Secretary Clinton ahead of Donald Trump by three points. The poll's methodology was good, and it had a sample size of a whopping 2,434 likely voters. In summary, the poll did just about everything right. However, to say this means Clinton is ahead by 3 would be to ignore all the other polls before it. In a good aggregate that gives more weight to polls that were done recently, polls with higher samples sizes, and polls with good methodology, Clinton is actually ahead by about 1.9, not 3. What would be significant is if polls consistently started showing Clinton ahead by 3 again, and the aggregate number would reflect that. With an aggregate number, we're also dealing with many more thousands of people in the sample size.
I think one of the issue with polls is that while they can give you a decent general idea, things are often too close to give a definitive consensus. Even if the poll is taken from a truly random sample, there is still plenty of chances for a random error to occur. This wouldn't be an issue with a poll where a drastic difference is present, but with hoe close the top 2 candidates often are it's really not an effective way to predict who will win. That's not to say I dislike polls, they're very interesting, but there's always a handful of people who take them as the word of God and overestimate their accuracy.
 

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Boy, oh boy - everyone's on the PC train and I'm just sitting here and waiting for Trump to actually say something racist. His platform so far refers to illegal immigrants and muslims, neither of which is a race. To be fair though, his plan to temporarily ban muslim immigration does go against freedom of religion which is a U.S. staple and pretty much the whole point the country was established for in the first place, but I'm afraid that's a bed radical muslims made themselves. They need to sort out their internal problems, and although I'm against the ban, I can understand the sentiment. inb4 #NotAllMuslims, we all know that, however Trump's mindset is "it only takes one", which is fair enough, he has the right to hold that opinion, even if it's discriminatory.
 
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