Hacking The status of Gateway and A9LH

[CrispyYoshi]

@CreAtor135 Don't forget to mention that 8.1J does not work with this even with an updated EmuNand: http://imgur.com/cVeVmCt

Additionally, N3DS can't update to 10.3 like O3DS can, and would be much appreciated for those stuck on 8.1J without a browser.

 

[CreAtor135]

@CreAtor135 Don't forget to mention that 8.1J does not work with this even with an updated EmuNand: http://imgur.com/cVeVmCt

Additionally, N3DS can't update to 10.3 like O3DS can, and would be much appreciated for those stuck on 8.1J without a browser.

Added.


And with this we end the first day of the Gatewait A9LH beta test. Sleep well all, we'll see what tomorrow brings.

 

[astronautlevel]

Don't get your hopes up but it may be possible to load existing a9lh payloads using gateway's implementation thanks to a clever bit of RE.

 

[CreAtor135]

Don't get your hopes up but it may be possible to load existing a9lh payloads using gateway's implementation thanks to a clever bit of RE.

Oh, cool.

 

[Kazuma77]

Gateway's A9LH has reached the final point of testing... the beta test... which was leaked... on the same day as its announcement.... in the same time span........
ANYWAYS. The new beta has given us some insight as to what GWs implementation of A9LH will be like, albeit the implementation is downright shitty, but it'll get better, right?

Some things to clear up:
-The new update is not releasing in 48 hours. It's releasing 48 hours after the end of the beta test, which is at the end of the week.
-3DS CAN be powered on without GW Card, but it boots the GW menu

What we currently know:
-Updating sysNAND after GW A9LH will either brick the 3DS, or remove A9LH from the system.
-It's possible to have 11.0 on Gateway sysNAND while still maintaining A9LH, it requires you flash an 11.0 NAND.bin during the A9LH install process
-The downgrader is extremely unstable. Don't use it.
-N3DS has a 100% brick rate if you use only Gateway's stuff, due to them not unbricking emuNAND before flashing. (People recommend to use Plail's part of the guide for this section)
-No GBA support, although someone states that they can run GBA in sysNAND.
-DS Games and Flashcards do work in emuNAND.
-Some report that important homebrew apps such as Decrypt9WIP do not work alongside this alpha build.
-Gateway's payload does not work with other existing payloads, nor does the vice versa work.
-Users have reported that there is a screen flicker problem with the 4.0a build.
-No support for n3DSes on 8.1J, users just get a 'FATAL ERROR: no browser" message.
-n3DS can't upgrade to 10.3 while o3DS can.

So far, there have been bricks, the amount is unknown, but people are seemingly most successful with the A9LH setup when they use Plail's guide and GW's together. (If that made any sense).

There's an ok chance that Gateway will fix their problems, as this is a beta test however,
it is much to early to make any final judgments about this whole release.

Please inform me of what I'm missing. Will update post. (pls no memes b0ss)



p.s. sorry mods for doing this so fast....

Add this to the list. NAND backups don't work. Decided to restore my pre-A9LH NAND backup that I made (and used to install A9LH) and it gave me an error. I thought maybe installing A9LH had corrupted it, so I copied it back from my PC. Still didn't work. It's a good thing there isn't firm protection. My only way out was to hold up while booting into SysNAND mode and use PSMD on my Sky+ to update. Then, of course, I had to set SMCH to 9.9.0-20 using the select menu, downgrade with PlaiSysUpdater, switch to my 9.2 CN ROM, use that to boot HB Menu (could have run Browserhax at that point I guess, but a couple of button presses on the Sky+ was faster), then force restore my regular A9LH SysNAND from Decrypt9.

 

[astronautlevel]

Add this to the list. NAND backups don't work. Decided to restore my pre-A9LH NAND backup that I made (and used to install A9LH) and it gave me an error. I thought maybe installing A9LH had corrupted it, so I copied it back from my PC. Still didn't work. It's a good thing there isn't firm protection. My only way out was to hold up while booting into SysNAND mode and use PSMD on my Sky+ to update. Then, of course, I had to set SMCH to 9.9.0-20 using the select menu, downgrade with PlaiSysUpdater, switch to my 9.2 CN ROM, use that to boot HB Menu (could have run Browserhax at that point I guess, but a couple of button presses on the Sky+ was faster), then force restore my regular A9LH SysNAND from Decrypt9.

Someone else is unable to restore a NAND backup using GW menu, and their hardmod is reading write protected. They're already on 11.0, so

 

[Kazuma77]

Someone else is unable to restore a NAND backup using GW menu, and their hardmod is reading write protected. They're already on 11.0, so

Guess it's a good thing I decided to play it safe and use my "original" .bin files to check it out, just in case it didn't support updated SysNAND or refused to work with other NANDs that had A9LH installed. FTR it's an O3DS (and I now have zero plans to do any experimenting on it with an N3DS).

For some reason, even DS carts didn't seem to work for me. Tried both DSTwo and AK2i. Both gave me black screens. SysNAND and EmuNAND. Wasn't really expecting the AK2i to work, but the DSTwo should have been fine.

 

[stl25]

So many questions to be answered. 1 more question, how soon can Gateway squash their bugs and finalize a release? Maybe a week... I'm thinking more like a month because patience is the name of their game. I just hope they don't post some cheesy update on their site thanking the community for their feedback and they are working to fix some stuff and release soon. Masters of the obvious need to take a page from their own book and be patient after wasting the better part of two months trolling the community and barely getting to alpha status.

 

[angelus kun]

If we just wait for an oficial release?

 

[stl25]

If we just wait for an oficial release?

We already have extensive experience waiting for Gateway, so what is a few more months.

 

[Kazuma77]

If we just wait for an oficial release?

Highly recommended. I'll just keep running it through MenuHax chain loading on my 9.2 EmuNAND until I see a release with a .bin file. They've scared me away from their installer for good.

 

[stl25]

Gateway's best release is the re release of 3.7.1 Most GW users were happily using both CFW and GW mode until GW wanted to lock A9LH down. Hopefully this alpha has shown them the error of their ways.

 

[KidIce]

-Gateway's payload does not work with other existing payloads, nor does the vice versa work.

As a Gateway user I think this is what bothers me the most. I mean, yes bricking is bad and etc... But I expect these things to be fixed before the "proper" release. Currently w/o A9LH I am free to use both free/open source CFW along side my GW. I DO NOT want to give this up. I like my GW for the advantages it brings; not installing CIA's for something I just want to test and the integrated cheat search being big ones. OTOH, I still want the advantages that other CFW's bring: not eating up my battery life and DSiWare support being the biggest.

I haven't been waiting for GW's solution to move on to A9LH, mind, other things have kept me from it (mostly lack of time, I barley get to touch my 3DS these days). Even so, I'd like to move on to A9LH, but not if it locks me in to one or the other.

Seriously, GW, fix this. I know how you don't want people to use this w/o you product. For example, I know tutorials on here to set up free emuNAND/CFW include using the GW menu... But forcing me to choose is a deal breaker... I like having them both, and it's not the other side that is giving me the ultimatum.

 

[stl25]

If they want to save face and actually see a sales increase, they will have to take a mulligan and release a A9LH payload to play nice with existing A9LH forks. They can keep their proprietary crap (for the diehard GW fanboys who vow only to use GW). From the tone of my post you can see I like my variety. I use Luma3DS and ReiNand, sprinkled with a little Gateway for good measure. Balls in your court GW. Don't #&$& it up.

 

[Localhorst86]

As a Gateway user I think this is what bothers me the most. I mean, yes bricking is bad and etc... But I expect these things to be fixed before the "proper" release. Currently w/o A9LH I am free to use both free/open source CFW along side my GW. I DO NOT want to give this up. I like my GW for the advantages it brings; not installing CIA's for something I just want to test and the integrated cheat search being big ones. OTOH, I still want the advantages that other CFW's bring: not eating up my battery life and DSiWare support being the biggest.

I haven't been waiting for GW's solution to move on to A9LH, mind, other things have kept me from it (mostly lack of time, I barley get to touch my 3DS these days). Even so, I'd like to move on to A9LH, but not if it locks me in to one or the other.

Seriously, GW, fix this. I know how you don't want people to use this w/o you product. For example, I know tutorials on here to set up free emuNAND/CFW include using the GW menu... But forcing me to choose is a deal breaker... I like having them both, and it's not the other side that is giving me the ultimatum.

really, all a lot of people were waiting for was a .bin payload that was compatible with existing a9lh implementations. With gateway creating their own solution incompatible with everything else they effectively disqualified themselves and i will finally sell my Gateway card. No point keeping it now.

 

[stl25]

really, all a lot of people were waiting for was a .bin payload that was compatible with existing a9lh implementations. With gateway creating their own solution incompatible with everything else they effectively disqualified themselves and i will finally sell my Gateway card. No point keeping it now.

Don't sell it, just wait for them to come to their senses. In the meantime continue using HBL cia and 3.7.1

In the meantime might be a while though

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Mirriam Webster might need to revise their definition to include: any month (now), any undetermined amount of time between now and then.

If you got any other good ones drop em here.

 

[KSP]

Seriously, GW, fix this. I know how you don't want people to use this w/o you product. For example, I know tutorials on here to set up free emuNAND/CFW include using the GW menu... But forcing me to choose is a deal breaker... I like having them both, and it's not the other side that is giving me the ultimatum.

How can we use this without their product? The whole point is to get their "Flashcard" to load in A9 environment, so, how can anyone use GW's payload without their card, if you even want it is because you want to use GW's Red Card.

I don't see why GW is so protective of their multirom loader code. Its completely useless without the physical Flashcard. The two go hand in hand.

I don't know what GW is thinking.

 

[stl25]

How can we use this without their product? The whole point is to get their "Flashcard" to load in A9 environment, so, how can anyone use GW's payload without their card, if you even want it is because you want to use GW's Red Card.

I don't see why GW is so protective of their multirom loader code. Its completely useless without the physical Flashcard. The two go hand in hand.

I don't know what GW is thinking.

Finally, we agree on something. The attempted lockdown of everything GW borders on god complex. They need to adapt or just take their ball and go home. They have helped advance the scene, but their contributions as of late are a waste of time and are not constructive in any way. I know they are in it for the dough, but do you need to force a $50-60 dollar tag on making something that is free (A9LH) proprietary instead of embracing the scene advancements as extra value to your product.

They played nice with cia and the original downgrader and that I am sure spurred sales. Time to embrace A9LH instead of finding a way to discourage people from your product.

 

[urherenow]

Ok, I've only been restoring via hard mod and have had no such issues with flashing ANY nand backup, except for when I had other card readers/iPhone/Vape mod plugged in. I chalk that up to a small issue with Image Writer.

Launching a DS flash cart (both blue Gateway card and DsTwo) does NOT work, in sysnand or emunand. even in Classic mode. I want a video from the person who says it works. I won't even bother trying VC stuff if I can't even load a cart.

I don't see why GW is so protective of their multirom loader code. Its completely useless without the physical Flashcard. The two go hand in hand.

I don't know what GW is thinking.

Clones. They don't want clones. They want you to give them your money, not some copycat. If their stuff was open source, the DSTwo Plus would already be eating heavily into their profit and they would most likely die (as a company/team).

 

[upfromtheskies]

Hmm. While I appreciate all the effort Gateway puts into improving their existing product instead of releasing a new cart twice a year like Sky, I think I'm going to pass on this. For now I'll stick to Luma as my primary CFW, and just use Gateway for cheats or trying out games as ROMs before installing them as CIA.

 

[Kazuma77]

As a Gateway user I think this is what bothers me the most. I mean, yes bricking is bad and etc... But I expect these things to be fixed before the "proper" release. Currently w/o A9LH I am free to use both free/open source CFW along side my GW. I DO NOT want to give this up. I like my GW for the advantages it brings; not installing CIA's for something I just want to test and the integrated cheat search being big ones. OTOH, I still want the advantages that other CFW's bring: not eating up my battery life and DSiWare support being the biggest.

I haven't been waiting for GW's solution to move on to A9LH, mind, other things have kept me from it (mostly lack of time, I barley get to touch my 3DS these days). Even so, I'd like to move on to A9LH, but not if it locks me in to one or the other.

Seriously, GW, fix this. I know how you don't want people to use this w/o you product. For example, I know tutorials on here to set up free emuNAND/CFW include using the GW menu... But forcing me to choose is a deal breaker... I like having them both, and it's not the other side that is giving me the ultimatum.

All of my devices are running A9LH, just the open source version. And I didn't have to give up GW. I just setup MenuHax as type 1 on a 9.2 EmuNAND and set the hotkey as "L" because that's Luma's hotkey for EmuNAND. Holding L then boots EmuNAND, and if I keep holding it, loads MenuHax. I then use a modified copy of BootCTR (because I also use BootCTR9) set to default to GW, and load HB menu on B (it's in case Nintendo breaks something with an update, like they almost did Retroarch, 9.2 is a good exploitable FW, so I plan to keep it around regardless). Of course, it might run from HBL on SysNAND once the update is released. Time will tell. So you see, there's no need to deprive your CFWs of A9LH, because the existing methods of running GW will work with it.

Let's try to remember that the leaked release was just an alpha. GW said that they sent out a watermarked beta. So, this leak is potentially several weeks outdated. It's probably missing lots of things that are in the current beta. A .bin file might be included by the time the final release hits, for all we know.

Ok, I've only been restoring via hard mod and have had no such issues with flashing ANY nand backup, except for when I had other card readers/iPhone/Vape mod plugged in. I chalk that up to a small issue with Image Writer.

Launching a DS flash cart (both blue Gateway card and DsTwo) does NOT work, in sysnand or emunand. even in Classic mode. I want a video from the person who says it works. I won't even bother trying VC stuff if I can't even load a cart.

Don't bother. Tried "Four Swords" and "Metroid Fusion" (that one's not even injected). Those didn't work. Fairly safe to say an injected one won't either. Keep in mind, what was leaked says alpha. What was announced was a beta. We're dealing with an old copy. Knowing how fast GW moves, it may even be over a month old.