Incorrect. It is NOT to be used on SATA/M.2 based SSD drives due to the way it writes the data on the drive. Defragging in some cases actually makes SSD's slower and greatly reduces their life. Never defrag an SSD.
I don't see how that's completely true, being it's still having to reach to a different segment of storage instead of nearby. Granted it's barely noticeable, but don't get why it'd "decay" the read/write sectors for moving data closer to the program's structure.
You need to read up on how SSD's work. They are not magnetic sectors like regular mechanical HDD's. The controller writes the data COMPLETELY randomly at a hardware level spanning the data across the entire chipset. This INCREASES read speeds due to hitting the same chunk of data from multiple points of access. Stop thinking of it like a mechanical HDD. There is no "aligning the data" or "program structure"
From an article.
"The operating system sees it as a hard drive with sectors, but the data is spread all over the drive by the controller. Defragging these “sectors” is like trying to assemble a jigsaw puzzle blindfolded: You can feel parts of the pattern, but you can’t see the whole picture. In addition, NAND is good for only a few thousand write cycles, so defragging can reduce the SSD’s lifespan by unnecessarily writing data to it. "
Again, NEVER defrag an SSD.
I'll stick to the old spinning plates then. I've yet to have a HD die on me and ain't about to start just cause of a bit faster load times XD
Bit faster = over 900% faster. Also I have had over 80 HDD's fail on me which is normal because HDD's DO indeed have a lifespan. SSD's are almost triple that due to non moving parts. My laptop and desktop are completely SSD based with USB external mechanical storage.
If you have never used an SSD before, you have absolutely no idea what you are missing. Especially when trying to be a 3d animator (maya LOVES ssds)
If you have never used an SSD before, you have absolutely no idea what you are missing. Especially when trying to be a 3d animator (maya LOVES ssds)
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No thanks. My friend, who had an SSD, had a shorter life span then my Desktop itself. It died in 3 years time while my Desktop died cause of a mother board issue in about 6 years time. I still have it's HDD that works. I trust those platters, since that data's important. Also he wasn't able for get his drive recovered. All that data. Zapped.Bit faster = over 900% faster. Also I have had over 80 HDD's fail on me which is normal because HDD's DO indeed have a lifespan. SSD's are almost tripe that due to non moving parts. My laptop and desktop are completely SSD based with USB external mechanical storage.
If you have ever used an SSD before, you have absolutely no idea what you are missing. Especially when trying to be a 3d animator (maya LOVES ssds)
Then it was probably a garbage SSD. NAND based media has over a 2000% reliability rating then mechanical platters. Its simple physics. But then again, you never had an SSD, so you wouldn't know.
So where is the drive head on an SD Card? Oh wait, there isn't one ...
It's flash memory, like an SSD, and exactly why you don't defrag it, for the same reason you don't defrag other flash memory, all you are doing is reducing its life.
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Please do not spread misinformation as your statement is 100% WRONG. Flash memory and SSD based storage ARE COMPLETELY different. The NAND controller on SSD based drives store bytes randomly where the NAND on a memory card (SD AND mirco SD) write them in order. This is common knowledge tech level 101 stuff. The gateway 3ds for example does and WILL suffer from fragmentation errors because it is VERY sensitive to large files being fragmented on an SD card. So much so that the gateway programmers added fragmentation ERRORS built into the software to alert the user that the card is too fragmented to execute the boot loader exploit.
NOW. It IS correct that defragging an SD card is very hard on the read and write operations that can reduce the life of the card so the best thing to do after deleting and rewriting games to the SD is to format it and rewrite everything again in 1 go. This will write the files in order and in line.
There are plenty of reports of load times and stuttering in loadline being reduced by simply doing just that.
Again. Coming from an engineer. SD cards DO write their data in order byte for byte. SSD's DO NOT. Having a large file less fragmented in order on an SD card WILL increase read speed. Having a large file in order on an SSD will DECREASE read speed.
Stop spreading bogus information.
The data on an SD Card is digitally addressed, there is no delay for the head to mechanically move to the position to read the data, defragging only helps drives with a mechanical head which must physically move. Since the SD Card is addressed digitally by the addresses where the info is stored, there is no difference if the data is at the start, the end, or wherever, the only thing that slows the access is how fast that data can be addressed digitally. How about YOU quit spreading false information?
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Like brienj said, it's NAND or transFlash memory and a controller... they're the same thing in that regard.
apachehavok, you are aware that not all NANDFlash circumstances (even down to the controller chipsets, natively) are designed to use wear leveling, right? Saying that all SSD's do and all SD's don't isn't something an engineer would say.
apachehavok, you are aware that not all NANDFlash circumstances (even down to the controller chipsets, natively) are designed to use wear leveling, right? Saying that all SSD's do and all SD's don't isn't something an engineer would say.
To put it in simplest form, let's say a controller that accesses data just read some data from address 0x1000 and is then told the next chunk of data is at address 0x3000, it would read that data just as fast as if the next chunk of data was at address 0x2000. There are no moving parts, it's all digitally read, and all digital data is read at the same rate, the only bottleneck being how fast the data can be read by whatever is using the data. There are no moving parts to slow anything down at all.
I bought PNY 256gb sd card (U3/ 95mb/sec) from Amazon, and it was surprisingly way slower than my previous transcend 64gb (U1 / 30mb/sec) I've tried both cluster 32K/64K
Is that because it's bigger capacity or it's that PNY's card is worst than transcend!
Mario Party 10 as you may know it freezes for 3 or 5 second after the first mini game, now it freezes for something like 30 second !! And the same when I exit the game, it freezes in Home Menu screen for 30 second, this behavior is also in some other games in this PNY CARD
Is that because it's bigger capacity or it's that PNY's card is worst than transcend!
Mario Party 10 as you may know it freezes for 3 or 5 second after the first mini game, now it freezes for something like 30 second !! And the same when I exit the game, it freezes in Home Menu screen for 30 second, this behavior is also in some other games in this PNY CARD
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The micro-controller is what determines the speed of the card. Cards are rated at max read transfer rate at optimal conditions, one card may not always perform as well as another rated the same, it all depends on the quality of the manufacturer.I bought PNY 256gb sd card (U3/ 95mb/sec) from Amazon, and it was surprisingly way slower than my previous transcend 64gb (U1 / 30mb/sec) I've tried both cluster 32K/64K
Is that because it's bigger capacity or it's that PNY's card is worst than transcend!
Mario Party 10 as you may know it freezes for 3 or 5 second after the first mini game, now it freezes for something like 30 second !! And the same when exit the game, it freezes in Home Menu screen for 30 second, this behavior is also in some other games in this PNY CARD
You show an absolute lack of knowledge when it comes to how SD card memory storage works. Please stop spreading misinformation and research before you post.
This is my last post arguing with someone that obviously never actually read up on the subject and an attempt to educate on how it actually works vs claims by someone who knows a few buzz words. Again, I am an engineer who DEALS with this every day. You can either trust me, or some random kid on the internet.
Digitally addressed, mechanically addressed, sticks, bricks... it doesn't matter. What matters is HOW its addressed. Because SD cards are a single chip and its MHS is written by a self contained controller (ie shared for cameras, readers, etc) and not a SATA bus, the data blocks are written in order. When a file is deleted, then new files are written, it gets fragmented. The DIFFERENCE is in an SSD, the controller spans A. Multiple chips and B. Multiple indexes. SD cards only use ONE index. IE, can only read one wave at a time. Where an SSD can read a fragmented file from a THOUSAND different indexes on a single controller, an SD can ONLY read it by 1.
- As you erase and write multiple files to an SD card, it WILL get slower. These are the facts. Yes, it is NOT addressed by a mechanical arm but still only has ONE read index.
- Professional photographers and video professionals that us SD solutions ALWAYS wipe their sticks before new shoots.
- Again like I said before, LOOK AT THE GATEWAY 3DS!! If a rom is fragmented too much it WILL NOT BOOT and throw up errors. Again these are facts.
- People have tested this exactly. Having slow read times and loading times on loadline backups being fixed by wiping and rewriting the card. This is due to the files being aligned and read by a SINGLE index.
These are facts. They are non disputable. Your extremely limited knowledge behind flash based storage VS mechanical storage will not refute these facts.
SD cards can become fragmented and it WILL effect read performance. That is a fact.
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I have that exact same card and mario party 10 works perfectly. Played a full game last night on it as a matter of fact. 1-2 second delays tops.I bought PNY 256gb sd card (U3/ 95mb/sec) from Amazon, and it was surprisingly way slower than my previous transcend 64gb (U1 / 30mb/sec) I've tried both cluster 32K/64K
Is that because it's bigger capacity or it's that PNY's card is worst than transcend!
Mario Party 10 as you may know it freezes for 3 or 5 second after the first mini game, now it freezes for something like 30 second !! And the same when I exit the game, it freezes in Home Menu screen for 30 second, this behavior is also in some other games in this PNY CARD
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How many games do you have in your card
I have about 145gb
Maybe this is the reason for this delay/freeze ?
