Hacking Wii U Hacking & Homebrew Discussion

[Marionumber1]

So, the common key being leaked doesn't serve a purpose...

We have the Espresso ancast keys...

 

[Goku Junior]

We have the Espresso ancast keys...

If I not bad remember, you MN1 release them, right?

 

[NWPlayer123]

So basically comex had us join an IRC channel (protected, don't even ask) and then posted it for Marionumber1. He gave it to me, and then I gave it to Relys (who is also working on the kernel exploit) when he asked for it and he never gave it to anybody else. Assuming we're all telling the truth, there had to have been another place it got leaked from, meaning those rumors that other people had access to it were true. Crediar wiped the common key from DiscU (what bubba uses, you can see it in action here) before he gave it out, and he only gave the key to one person, so either it had to have spread from there, or someone else has a THIRD IOSU exploit and got it through that, which if what bubba told me is true, he bought a 3.0.1 Wii U just to dump all the keys so he could use his drive dumper. (Yes, that one was patched in 3.1.0)

 

[FPSRussi4]

...First I think you were writting something and sent "k..." for accident xD

kek

So basically comex had us join an IRC channel (protected, don't even ask) and then posted it for Marionumber1. He gave it to me, and then I gave it to Relys (who is also working on the kernel exploit) when he asked for it and he never gave it to anybody else. Assuming we're all telling the truth, there had to have been another place it got leaked from, meaning those rumors that other people had access to it were true. Crediar wiped the common key from DiscU (what bubba uses, you can see it in action here) before he gave it out, and he only gave the key to one person, so either it had to have spread from there, or someone else has a THIRD IOSU exploit and got it through that, which if what bubba told me is true, he bought a 3.0.1 Wii U just to dump all the keys so he could use his drive dumper. (Yes, that one was patched in 3.1.0)

I dunno, MN1's pretty shifty and passive aggressive(joking about the former). Thanks for clearing it up, was genuinely curious!

 

[the_randomizer]

So basically comex had us join an IRC channel (protected, don't even ask) and then posted it for Marionumber1. He gave it to me, and then I gave it to Relys (who is also working on the kernel exploit) when he asked for it and he never gave it to anybody else. Assuming we're all telling the truth, there had to have been another place it got leaked from, meaning those rumors that other people had access to it were true. Crediar wiped the common key from DiscU (what bubba uses, you can see it in action here) before he gave it out, and he only gave the key to one person, so either it had to have spread from there, or someone else has a THIRD IOSU exploit and got it through that, which if what bubba told me is true, he bought a 3.0.1 Wii U just to dump all the keys so he could use his drive dumper. (Yes, that one was patched in 3.1.0)

So, why then are people so damned butthurt about it being leaked then. Isn't this what we needed to further development on the Wii U hacking scene. Keeping it in secrecy was bound to have its own set of problems, withholding only detriments the scene does it not? Whatever the case is, the cat's already outta the bag, and not a single damn can be done about it, what's done is done. Like, I would have thought people would be more excited about this, but instead many of the upper-tier developers are up in arms, using ad hominem attacks, or whatever, and it's disgusting. Why can't people just be happy that the scene will be able to continue?

Maybe I just understand the bitterness, yes, leaks happen, but this was bound to happen sooner or later. Shit happens, and having this info withheld was a detriment. This is good news, people need to be a little more cheerful. This is what happens when you keep things in secrecy, it can't be secret forever.

 

[Ray Lewis]

So there are more than one iosu exploits (known), a few known kernel exploits, common key, espresso ancast keys, and is this an accurate summary?

 

[marcan_troll]

So basically comex had us join an IRC channel (protected, don't even ask) and then posted it for Marionumber1. He gave it to me, and then I gave it to Relys (who is also working on the kernel exploit) when he asked for it and he never gave it to anybody else. Assuming we're all telling the truth, there had to have been another place it got leaked from, meaning those rumors that other people had access to it were true. Crediar wiped the common key from DiscU (what bubba uses, you can see it in action here) before he gave it out, and he only gave the key to one person, so either it had to have spread from there, or someone else has a THIRD IOSU exploit and got it through that, which if what bubba told me is true, he bought a 3.0.1 Wii U just to dump all the keys so he could use his drive dumper. (Yes, that one was patched in 3.1.0)

I find it interesting that the key was posted to Twitter less than 24h after you joined the channel and MN1 got the key. What's more likely, that MN1 and your sharing the key ended up with it being leaked, or that the hypothetical other people with it just happened to choose the same day to release it?

FWIW, Relys PMed *me* the key at one point, though that happened 3 minutes after the public tweet; I don't know if he was reacting to that or not, but he didn't mention getting the key from you at the time, even though he clearly did as you state. But let's be honest here, there's more than enough shenanigans going on and uncertainty as to who got what when in the past day that it's exceedingly unlikely that someone else who hypothetically had the key leaked it, unrelated to MN1 getting it.

What this goes on to show is that we chose the right trustworthy people to be in that channel for the past 2 years (who have had the key all along). As far as I'm concerned 2 years is a pretty impressive time to keep the common key safe and yet in the hands of quite a few veteran Wii homebrewers.

And I stand by my bet that, given what I've seen about interest in Wii U homebrew (or lack thereof) by experienced folks, we won't be seeing any major resurgence in interest and development this year. Warez, OTOH, will likely happen. We'll see how nintendo plays the cat and mouse game this time around.

 

[VinsCool]

...while people who actually has interest have no skills.
...if someone even try anything the entire scene starts to troll.

hmmm

 

[the_randomizer]

Don't you just love all the love people have for each other, pointing fingers and whatnot? Sure makes it more interesting Yay for more dramatic bullshit. Keeping the key withheld for two years is a pretty damn shitty thing to do, this was bound to happen, people need to fu**ing grow up and accept the fact it's been leaked. It's out, the cat it outta the bag, grow the hell up and move on instead of dwelling on it, it's done, and can't be undone. Why can't people just move on take what has happened and improve the scene instead of bitching about what happened?

 

[Theeze]

Don't you just love all the love people have for each other, pointing fingers and whatnot? Sure makes it more interesting Yay for more dramatic bullshit. Keeping the key withheld for two years is a pretty damn shitty thing to do, this was bound to happen, people need to fu**ing grow up and accept the fact it's been leaked. It's out, the cat it outta the bag, grow the hell up and move on instead of dwelling on it, it's done, and can't be undone. Why can't people just move on take what has happened and improve the scene instead of bitching about what happened?

This is pretty much the hackers of the new generation. Keeping things from moving just so they can have their E-peens bigger amongst themselves. The same issue with the PS3 Scene. Everyone leeched off of Geohot's initial discovery which resulted in the ps3jailbreak dongles and eventually to cfw. Imagine how far that scene could have gone, if they shared everything. They didn't want annonymity they wanted fame, They have neither now, because people are forgetting about them and the only ones who haven't forgotten about them are the ones waiting for them to make one stupid move and lock them up. The "hackers" today are very lame in comparison.

 

[VinsCool]

This is pretty much the hackers of the new generation. Keeping things from moving just so they can have their E-peens bigger amongst themselves. The same issue with the PS3 Scene. Everyone leeched off of Geohot's initial discovery which resulted in the ps3jailbreak dongles and eventually to cfw. Imagine how far that scene could have gone, if they shared everything. They didn't want annonymity they wanted fame, They have neither now, because people are forgetting about them. The "hackers" today are very lame in comparison.

Same for 3ds scene.

 

[Theeze]

Same for 3ds scene.

They all seem to whine these days. It's nothing like the PS2 and PSP scenes. It's all about who can outdo the other and everyone in between just sits and waits. The worst part is they think these companies will get them jobs in the industry. These giants couldn't give a crap about them.

 

[dauphin327]

We need Gateway team on Wii U side to keep it moving

 

[VinsCool]

We need Gateway team on Wii U side to keep it moving

There is an ODE in preparation.

I don't give a fucking fuck to piracy devices. I bought a gateway only for homebrew power.

 

[drmr]

They all seem to whine these days. It's nothing like the PS2 and PSP scenes. It's all about who can outdo the other

Yes. That's exactly what it is: Hacking for sport. Since nobody is interested in actual Homebrew anymore, noone stands to gain from releasing anything. Other than warezors, of course. But can you blame f0f for not wanting to be associated by name with a scene that exclusively deals in warez?

Why can't people just move on take what has happened and improve the scene instead of bitching about what happened?

Please, do tell the tale about how you improved the scene. You of all people, stirring drama and whining and bitching about everyone and everyone else. From you I have seen nothing but thousands of posts motivated by entitlement.

 

[VinsCool]

Just fuck piracy.

Homebrew software are what I am expecting to see out of this drama...

... oh wait, there is no interest.

 

[dauphin327]

Homebrew would be nice on WiiU, but how long till it happens? Nintendo is already talking of a new console...

 

[fiveighteen]

I'm not sure why dev info has been kept in the dark for so long anyways. Great job on hacking it so quickly (f0f), but what's wrong with allowing others to have their fun too? You gain nothing by keeping it all a secret, besides bragging rights, but it is still your information to do what you please with and everyone should respect that. Clearly someone was irresponsible in giving the key to another that could not be trusted with it, since they wanted it kept a secret. It doesn't matter who it was at this point since nobody is going to own up to it and it can't be back-tracked for who told who at what time.

To those still working on exploits, thanks for your work and I hope this helps further development in at least some small way.

To everyone else, don't make this a homebrew vs piracy thread again...

*grabs popcorn as drama continues*

 

[Bug_Checker_]

This was predictable as it can be. I told you they did NOT have the key. If they did have the key and dumped it themselves, they would have all the keys(but boot1). They would have released how they did it(an actual exploit) and not just 1 of many keys.

Govanify said this less than a week ago.

Spoiler

GovanifY NobodYa‏@GovanifY
For gbatemp: I'm not trying to get my way to the key, it would be just stupid to release it for now, 2nd act isn't yet at the end...

3:16 AM - 6 Jan 2015​

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What changed in less than a week ? Answer: Occams' Razor. Someone(or ones) got hacked or conned out of the key. Saw this coming miles away.

btw too quiet in here the past week something was brewing(ahhh, see what I did there?)

 

[Errorjack]

We have the Espresso ancast keys...

The Wii U ancast key is useless until you also have the Wii U common key BUT even then all you could do is decrypt stuff it doesn't magically give you any exploits, though it will certainly make it easier to find them since you can look at the code that is running.

Can't find source on it, but yeah.