Converting .3DS to .CIA for Dummies!

edit: I can't emphasize this enough.
If there are errors, check the guide under T5 first, then learn how to report from there ><


Converting .3DS/3DZ to .CIA Pictorial


Hopefully noob friendly!​

UPDATED! V5.1.4b @ UTC+8 2.45am 24-Nov-14:

Updated calling routine:​
Most questions all in front, so that users can doze off after​
Included the most recent exinjector & rsfgen.py​
Testing 32-bit compatibility​
Note: Haven't updated tutorial, but the prompts should be fool proof.​


Table of contents.
T1 - Disclaimer​
T2 - Basics​
T3 - Requirements​
_____What you need to know, what programs to have.
T4 - The Main Tutorial​
_____Steps 0, 1 & 2.
T5 - Reference code (and how to report errors)​
_____Reference code 1 - 5, Faux errors, how to report errors
T6 - [The not so] Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)​
_____Is it region free, does .3DZ work, help w/ errors, what not to do
T7 - User Guides and Credits!!!​
_____Valiant effort by our community.
Control+Find the header number (eg: T5 ) to jump to the section!​



T1 - Disclaimer


gbaTEMP and I shall not be responsible for your own misdoing and misdeeds.
Use at your own risk! ;P

T2 - Basics


What are .cia files?​
Basically a somewhat stripped down decrypted version of .3DS files.​
You can't just rename .3DS > .CIA, you have to carry out a set of slightly complicated steps,​
which I have tried to get it dummified.​
Make sure you follow the steps concisely.​

Now, purpose of this tutorial is to guide users to convert 3DS games (not warez, not dev apps) to .CIA files for installation.​
Does not matter whether .3DS or .3DZ, and scene roms won't need to add 'header' to go online (GW users should know what's I'm talking about)​


T3 - Requirements


First off, these are the requirements:​
  1. Using a 3DS that is FW 4.1-4.5 (also known as FW 4.X)
    I recommend that these users get a Gateway 3DS.
    .
  2. A DS flashcart that works on your 3DS, for loading DS profile exploit
    Supercard DStwo or GW blue card (r4i) works.
    Gateway loader works fine. (cannot link you the link)
    .
  3. Install 2.7 Python. You can find it will a quick Google search.
    Or just download the one for your computer from here:
    https://www.python.org/download/releases/2.7/
    .
    ..
  4. This package.
    Paste it on your desktop, in a folder named "CIA"
    http://filetrip.net/3ds-downloads/utilities/download-quenopack-3ds-to-cia-5-1-4b-f33005.html

    Please the files in the folders they were in.
    The program reads the stuff based on the location!
    I will not provide the 7.x key. To find it, simply search the guy who leaked it. ><
    .
  5. A game backup (rom)
    .
  6. Patience, and not fearful of looking at folders with multiple items!
Okay, let's get started.



T4 - The Main Tutorial


Video Version:It's based on older revisions, but still counts.
Thanks to TeamNinja for uploading, and DrWhoJan who brought it to our attention!


Step 0: Tools usage and folder placement
Okay before we begin,
a short reminder: strictly please use only the tools I provided for this tutorial:
http://filetrip.net/3ds-downloads/utilities/download-quenopack-3ds-to-cia-5-1-4b-f33005.html

The folder layout and location of the files are to be the same,
as I have optimized the calling procedure of the .bats (the programs).

Unless you have a working understanding of reading those and modifying them to your liking,
I suggest you follow as I have provided :)

As an addition, follow the images to unblock the .rar, before unzipping:
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Step 1: Decrypting the Rom
1a. Getting ncchinfo.bin
Go to CIA\Step 1
Paste your rom in this folder.
Rename it to "rom.3ds"

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Drag the rom.3ds onto ctrKeyGen
A file called ncchinfo.bin will be in your directory.

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Now, go to CIA\For 3DS SD Card
Copy the launcher you use over to your 3DS SD card.
I will not provide slot0x25KeyX.bin, so find it yourself.
When you the value, HXD into a blank file, and save as slot0x25KeyX.bin
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Also copy and paste ncchinfo.bin into the root of the 3DS SD card.

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Now insert SD card back into your 3DS

1b. Getting xorpads
Go to your 3DS.
Run System Settings > Other Settings > Profile > Nintendo DS Profile
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The program will load and run.
Allow it to run until it tells you, that you can turn off your 3DS.

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Once done, insert your SD card back on your computer.
Copy only these xorpads to this directory:
CIA\Step 2
Not every rom provides exefs_7x.xorpad. If you do see it, you must copy it!
Only copy manual.romfs.xorpad if you want to have a user manual option on home screen.

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If you game has Download Play support, and you want it,
copy this too:
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Step 2: Decrypting + Compiling the .cia!
Move rom.3DS to CIA\Step 2

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Drag and drop or Double click on 'decrypt and make.bat'

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Hit enter, and it will run.
The latest update has all the questions at the start of the process,
so one may mostly doze off and wait after doing so.
The image that says it all!
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When you see this, you are at the end of the program!
If you see install.cia, it means you were successful!

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"But Queno138, I want to repack another rom, must I unpack again?"
No!
This feature allows you to repack, as long as you have the items there.
It's been around since, 2.0? I just never properly documented it.
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After this image, go up to (continue)

Installation Success!
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Custom rsf guide:
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T5 - Reference Codes (and how to report errors)



Reference codes has appeared in the batch program, for ease of referencing.

Genuine Errors
Reference code 1: Required .bins not located.
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If the required .bins for the operation is not found,
it means that either you deleted it, or it could not be extracted, due to decryption error.

Associated with (and fix):
1. Invalid slot0x25KeyX.bin for FW 7x games (refer to guide on how to acquire it correctly)
2. Files have been moved (kindly keep them in the same place as guide dictates)
3. Decryption error. (Delete everything and try again.)
4. Mismatched tools (Ensure you are using the tools provided)


Reference code 2: rom.3ds not located.
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Decryption cannot be done without the exact file, "rom.3ds"

Associated with (and fix):
1. rom name is not rom.3ds (Kindly rename the rom to rom.3ds)
2. rom not in folder (kindly place rom.3ds in Step 2)


Reference code 3: xorpad not located.
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Xorpads are required for decryption

Associated with (and fix):
1. xorpad not named as per guide (simple, eg: 01.exefs_norm.xorpad)
2. xorpad not in directory (don't forget to transfer over the xorpad from 3DS SD card)


Reference code 4: Tools folder not found
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Tools are required for the operation.

Associated with (and fix):
1. Tools folder has been renamed. (It needs to be named "tools")
2. Tools folder has been moved. (Move it back to the original directory)
3. Tools folder lost. (Redownload and extract the whole package)


Reference code 5: Folders located before decryption
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This message only pops up when you have chosen to decrypt a rom.

Associated with:
1. Exefs, Encrypted_bin, decrypted, xorpad folder exists. (delete them before decrypting new rom)
2. Selected choice by accident. (ignore, proceed to pack rom.)

Faux errors:
Some of the text displayed tends to scare users.
If you get any one of these, please don't report, as it's not an error.
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Reference code not shown/code persists:
If code persists, or error with no code:
Do us a favor and save each other some time.
Before showing errors,
ensure that:
1. you downloaded the lastest package.
2. followed the tutorial to the latter
3. did not use express
If error still occurs:
1. What Game you are using
2. Inform me if you are using CFW or GW
3. Tell me what error you get in game (or if you don't reach there)
4. screenshot \exefs, \decrypted, \xorpads, \step 2
5. show me the error page on the normal bat

this way, easier for me to identify the error.


T6 - [The not so] Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)



What must I not do?
Don't go into sysnand and check data management. (content will be deleted)
Don't forget to back up data when necessary (to prevent losing saves)
Don't forget to read T5 of my guide regarding errors. (to not plague this thread)
Don't format 3DS for no reason (I mean, imagine one day you need to upgrade, and can't connect to NNID or something)
Don't update firmware in CFW (cause it stops working)



How to install .cia files
What, you're here without knowing!?
Basically, get Devmenu or bigbluemenu (can't tell you where)​



Will I be able to delete them afterwards?
Devmenu and BBM has options for deleting them.​
Just don't delete your updates or important warez by mistake.​
Check the ID against http://3ds.essh.co/



Does this require FW 4.5 like other exploits
.....​
You think?​
</sarcasm> YES



Does this work with trimmed roms?
YES! (link)​



Does this work with FW 7.X games?
GW = YES!
CFW = NO.
And before you ask, if there were any workarounds​
(well, besides obviously getting a GW that is so worth it now),​
I'll be happy to share.​



Does your tutorial contain "region free and firmware spoofing"?
YES!



Does the package support download play?
YES!



Does this work with .3DZ?
YES!
After all, it's just a file extension. doesn't affect conversion.​



Does your tutorial contain "user manuals"
YES!



I have an existing save on Gateway. Why is it not on the .cia game?
Imagine the .cia game being like an eshop game.​
Every game comes with a new save.​



Are saves brought forward?
NO.
Because that's not how the mechanics of conversion works.​
Gateway makes the redcard 'find and see' the saves, not the homepage apps.​



What about nand saving/card2?
NO.
But ONLY for card2, you can use savefiler or save data transfer tool.​
If you were already playing your roms as a card2, go ahead and transfer :)



Why can't I modify to card2 then transfer?
By making it card2, you broke the header,​
which the 3DS will check if the save is corrupt before transfer.​
Based on the chain of events mentioned, it is considered corrupted.​



Can user manuals be repacked together?
YES!
Take note that if using different region game,​
enable region free.​



Does this work with VC roms?
NO (link) or YES? (link)​
Try it yourself!​



Does this conversion method work with Dev apps (devmenu and SDK stuff)
NO!
However, link to show you how to get them converted: (link)​



Do I need .rsf files?
Up to you. The batch program will generate one for you,​
but if you follow the prompt, you can insert your own.​
Not all work at the moment.​



Can I load games above 4.5 on CFW?
From what I know, some games require firmware spoofing​
and the FW6/7 games is a big NO



Where can I find slot0x25KeyX.bin/7.X keys?
Can't tell you where. But I know who has it (the guy you leaked it, duh)​
get it, type it in hex using HXD, save as slot0x25KeyX.bin​
Paste it into your SD card.​



Why do I see no errors but there is no .cia?
Most likely you are using express. IF you are noob, just don't.​
Chances are it's decryption or your key 7 is wrong.​
Go to section T5, it'll teach you something.​



It says not enough memory, why? I have x GB ram.
Well, your computer probably already runs a lot of processes,​
and packing the rom can take up to 2-3x it's original size.​

Don't tell me you got 16GB ram.​
Just go o into safe mode, and launch the .bat there.​
As long as the folders are still there,​
you can choose to continue with repacking, without re-depacking.​
If it still doesn't work,​
rename _makerom.exe to makerom.exe and try again.​
I've already added a new makerom to circumnavigate that,​
but I still recommend keeping your processes low.​



Help, can't drag and drop on python
try either option:​
put this into a .bat
Code:
c:\Python27\python.exe" ctrKeyGen.py %1
then drag and drop the rom.3ds onto the .bat

Or

Code:
regedit
 
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Python.File\shellex\DropHandler]@="{60254CA5-953B-11CF-8C96-00AA00B8708C}"
 
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Python.NoConFile\shellex\DropHandler]@="{60254CA5-953B-11CF-8C96-00AA00B8708C}"
 
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Python.CompiledFile\shellex\Drop Handler]@="{60254CA5-953B-11CF-8C96-00AA00B8708C}"


What is the express.bat in your package
It's a program NOT for noobs.​
It doesn't ask questions; simply repacks if there are folders,​
decrypt and unpack if there are xorpads​
Doesn't prompt, just runs.​
It has some preset settings.​
It won't decrypt the whole romfs.bin. Creates its own rsf.​
Due to it's nature, error prompts might be skipped.​
So I repeat,​
It's a program NOT for noobs.​



Help, my errors aren't resolved!
Do us a favor and save each other some time.​
Before showing errors,​
ensure that:​
1. you downloaded the lastest package.​
2. followed the tutorial to the latter​
3. did not use express​
If error still occurs:​
1. What Game you are using​
2. Inform me if you are using CFW or GW​
3. Tell me what error you get in game (or if you don't reach there)​
4. screenshot \exefs, \decrypted, \xorpads, \step 2​
5. show me the error page on the normal bat​
this way, easier for me to identify the error.​
Wondering if you have a faux error?​
Ctrl Find "T5"​

T7 - User Guides and Credits!!!



Palantine and the CFW and CIA guide that (almost) started it all!:​
gamesquest1; the first ever decrypting guide I could understand:​
ryanrocks462, which I also cross refer to:​
Versehell's also very comprehensive guide:​
Liomajor's first most automatic guide:​
piratesephiroth's Exinjector!​
Kyogre123's savedatafiler tutorial​
relys and the NCCH/SD programs!​
ground, whom I never spoke to, but I thank your efforts in Exheader research!​
Vappy's, rsfgen.py!​
Also to neimod, 3DSguy, 3Dbrew, and many others that slipped my mind!​
And last but not least,​
everyone on gbatemp :)



I'm not reinventing the wheel, I'm merely gathering all information into one.
 

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Does it work with option 2?

Yes it works, but the game freeze on 3ds logo, using CFW 4.4 . Need to use option 1 to play the games U_U .
And is rare, because the game is "Starfox 64 3D" (usa) that use 2.0 firmware , i try all the methods and gets only diferent errors, 3ds logo freeze or you need
to turn off and on the 3ds and try again. May be you can do me a rsf to try, mmm maybe the save data is wrong or use the cam :/.
 

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Yes it works, but the game freeze on 3ds logo, using CFW 4.4 . Need to use option 1 to play the games U_U .
And is rare, because the game is "Starfox 64 3D" (usa) that use 2.0 firmware , i try all the methods and gets only diferent errors, 3ds logo freeze or you need
to turn off and on the 3ds and try again. May be you can do me a rsf to try, mmm maybe the save data is wrong or use the cam :/.

There should be spoofing with option two too.

I'll try to fix that issue shortly
 

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There should be spoofing with option two too.

I'll try to fix that issue shortly

i try option 2 with spoofing, same error, freeze at 3ds logo.
Trying to use other programs to make the cia files, because when i search the games
that give me freeze errors on the net and try them works fine :/ .
 

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yes but with option 2 it says is dangerous. And in other pages someone shared cias that with your program freezer on the 3ds logo, but they work fine D:.
Like cube ninja.

What says what is dangerous?

Warnings are fine, as long as you get install.Cia

It might freeze Cause of people using cfw
Or using wrong 7x key.

Please understand that I rarely face issues on my end,
So without clear explanations and images,
I can't fix something I'm not necessarily plagued by
 

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What says what is dangerous?

Warnings are fine, as long as you get install.Cia

It might freeze Cause of people using cfw
Or using wrong 7x key.

Please understand that I rarely face issues on my end,
So without clear explanations and images,
I can't fix something I'm not necessarily plagued by

i am using CFW 4.4 , don't have gateaway. the program do fine the install.cia, but in the emunand when enter to play freeze at the 3ds logo
or get and error that says turn off and on your 3ds and try again :/. (I try option 2 with spoofing and gets the same error).

The game i am trying to do work is Star Fox 64 3D that only needs 2.0 firmware, don't use 7.x keys :/ .

The half of the game works fine with your program but the other half freeze on the 3ds logo :/ .
But that games that freeze, when i get them from net they work fine :S .
(And try a lot of diferent option to do the install.cia but in the end all get the same error).
 

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i am using CFW 4.4 , don't have gateaway. the program do fine the install.cia, but in the emunand when enter to play freeze at the 3ds logo
or get and error that says turn off and on your 3ds and try again :/. (I try option 2 with spoofing and gets the same error).

The game i am trying to do work is Star Fox 64 3D that only needs 2.0 firmware, don't use 7.x keys :/ .

The half of the game works fine with your program but the other half freeze on the 3ds logo :/ .
But that games that freeze, when i get them from net they work fine :S .
(And try a lot of diferent option to do the install.cia but in the end all get the same error).

wait so the games that freezes, they worked with option 1 from v5.0?
 

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wait so the games that freezes, they worked with option 1 from v5.0?

No the game that freeze, freeze in all the programs from v5.0 and above. Mmm, i will try doing with other programs, and make them work.
Trying Star Fox 64, with other program same freeze error. Keep looking...
 

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No the game that freeze, freeze in all the programs from v5.0 and above. Mmm, i will try doing with other programs, and make them work.
Trying Star Fox 64, with other program same freeze error. Keep looking...

Okay, try this strictly for rebuilding. (attached a file)

If it doesn't work, I'll try something else.

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edit: did starfox ever work for you?

Is it the US one?

I'm presently obtaining the US one, to test for ya :)
 

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Okay, try this strictly for rebuilding. (attached a file)

If it doesn't work, I'll try something else.

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edit: did starfox ever work for you?

Is it the US one?

I'm presently obtaining the US one, to test for ya :)

All day trying to work star fox (usa) with your program with variety options, with 3 or 2 roms usa... with other program one time nothing same error, freeze in 3ds logo.
All they unique id is 490.

But know get one star fox .cia from net and works fine.
Change the unique id is 491.
And thinks size change too is 636mb. (Size is more bigger maybe).

i look here... seem that the work version is Europe (id:491) , and the version that not work is Usa (id:490), can be a problem of the game itself?
http://3ds.essh.co/

Trying to resolved the mistery here.

PD: in what part of the procces i use this "rebuild debugging.zip". :tpi:
 

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All day trying to work star fox (usa) with your program with variety options, with 3 or 2 roms usa... with other program one time nothing same error, freeze in 3ds logo.
All they unique id is 490.

But know get one star fox .cia from net and works fine.
Change the unique id is 491.
And thinks size change too is 636mb. (Size is more bigger maybe).

i look here... seem that the work version is Europe (id:491) , and the version that not work is Usa (id:490), can be a problem of the game itself?
http://3ds.essh.co/

Trying to resolved the mistery here.

PD: in what part of the procces i use this "rebuild debugging.zip". :tpi:

for the normal make bat, choose to "edit rsf"

When it prompts you, close the bat (because files are decrypted)

After, that, try to use this rebuild to rebuild, see how it goes.
 

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for the normal make bat, choose to "edit rsf"

When it prompts you, close the bat (because files are decrypted)

After, that, try to use this rebuild to rebuild, see how it goes.

Try with your new file, but gets the same error Freeze on the logo of 3ds.
I will try to do with the Europe rom in the normal way, has diferent unique id.
 

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Hi Queno138, I just finished converting pokemon omega ruby from .3ds to .cia. The conversion was successful. However, when I installed it on my 3ds, the game gives me an error when I start it. (I am using gateway with latest emunand). What can I do? I did follow the guide to the dot. The only thing I don't understand is the .rsf. I have no idea what it is or if it is needed. Anyway, any suggestions would be great, thanks.
 

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for the normal make bat, choose to "edit rsf"

When it prompts you, close the bat (because files are decrypted)

After, that, try to use this rebuild to rebuild, see how it goes.

Yes!, Yes!!! . After many attempts i can do Star Fox 64 3D (usa) , works on CFW 4.4 . The problem was the Rsf file, the unique id is
UniqueId : 0x00490
No "0490" , yes "00490". And SaveDataSize: 1GB.

I use the first program here, because i dont know how to create my .rsf file , you can make a new tutorial how to make them, will be good.
 

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Yes!, Yes!!! . After many attempts i can do Star Fox 64 3D (usa) , works on CFW 4.4 . The problem was the Rsf file, the unique id is
UniqueId : 0x00490
No "0490" , yes "00490". And SaveDataSize: 1GB.

I use the first program here, because i dont know how to create my .rsf file , you can make a new tutorial how to make them, will be good.

0490 and 00490 is the same thing.. leading zeroes does not matter.
savedatasize, however, does matter.

Hi Queno138, I just finished converting pokemon omega ruby from .3ds to .cia. The conversion was successful. However, when I installed it on my 3ds, the game gives me an error when I start it. (I am using gateway with latest emunand). What can I do? I did follow the guide to the dot. The only thing I don't understand is the .rsf. I have no idea what it is or if it is needed. Anyway, any suggestions would be great, thanks.

for rsf, try going with option 2.
 

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Hey, I'm trying to convert Alpha Sapphire to a CIA but I get this strange error code:
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I can't put my finger on why this happens, it won't even let me start the process when I start the batch file as an admin. If I start it without admin privileges it starts the process but aborts it after a while, showing the same error. I downloaded the newest package twice but it didn't solve anything

The tools folder is in its original place, I didn't change anything, the structure is Desktop\CIA\Step 2\tools\
 

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Yes!, Yes!!! . After many attempts i can do Star Fox 64 3D (usa) , works on CFW 4.4 . The problem was the Rsf file, the unique id is
UniqueId : 0x00490
No "0490" , yes "00490". And SaveDataSize: 1GB.

I use the first program here, because i dont know how to create my .rsf file , you can make a new tutorial how to make them, will be good.
i doubt the savedata size is 1GB :P......retail cart is card 1 which meas the save is probably 128kb/512kb max....im assuming the 3ds isn't silly enough to actually allocate 1GB to the save , but anyways if it works it works but the save data size was probably unnecessarily big
 
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