Hardware What will happen with nintendo (?)

[ShadowSoldier]

PS3 paid itself up early in the game, by spreading Bluray in the market. PS3 is a major contributing factor as to HD-DVD losing the race.

Right but people wanted a game machine at the time. The Blu-Ray was just an added bonus. But still, 500-600 bucks at the time was ridiculous, considering it was costing Sony around 800 dollars to make the PS3.

 

[WiiCube_2013]

Wii U is not going to look good for next year.

Yes because Super Smash Bros. 4, Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2, Xenoblade 2 and other games aren't what people want.

 

[tbgtbg]

Bottom line is Nintendo needs to branch out. First party game simply cannot satisfy everyone.

They don't need to satisfy everyone, though. Pizza doesn't satisfy everyone, doesn't mean a pizza chain is doomed to go out of business. They just need to satisfy enough people to remain financially viable, and that's a much smaller number than "everyone".

 

[Psionic Roshambo]

I would love to see where people are getting this info from.... "Wii-U hemorrhaging money." that's pretty odd since Nintendo said they became profitable with just one game sold and that was at launch. By now surely the cost to manufacture them has dropped significantly.

I suppose it could be wishful thinking, but that's putting a nice spin on it.

Besides the real money is in the software sold not the machine, when people buy millions of copies of Nintendo games that's true source of income.

 

[blaisedinsd]

That's sort of the thing - the 3DS was only saved because of their quick, decisive action at the very beginning. It only took Nintendo a few months to cut the price $80. The Wii U's in a very different situation. It's been floundering for over a year now while the competition has come out the gate swinging; it's already been outsold in some territories (like the UK). Building momentum from here on out is only going to get harder and harder.

Nintendo exclusives will sell the system to Nintendo fans, but as we saw with the Gamecube and the N64, that's just not enough. I don't think Nintendo is going to collapse from the Wii U alone (they've got their handheld division and a decent sized war chest to keep them afloat), but it's still a bad situation for them no matter what.




I can only speak for myself, but it's not that I want Nintendo to fail; I just don't want the Wii U to succeed. I don't think it's a very good console, and I hope a shellacking this generation will encourage Nintendo to come up with something better for the next one.

The 3DS did not turn around immediately with the price cut. The price cut was hailed as proof that the 3DS was doomed. It was the games that started coming out that turned it around even more so than the price cut.

The N64 and Gamecube were not disasters for Nintendo even if they didn't win bragging rights in the console wars of their generation.

And to address Guild, Wii U can finish 3rd this console generation and still be perfectly fine for Nintendo and their fans.

 

[mightymuffy]

They don't need to satisfy everyone, though. Pizza doesn't satisfy everyone, doesn't mean a pizza chain is doomed to go out of business. They just need to satisfy enough people to remain financially viable, and that's a much smaller number than "everyone".

Companies want more than a 'viable' amount of profit, and more to the point I also want to see Super Mario 3D World making more than a 'viable' amount of money, yet here it is - a videogame work of art being outsold by fukkin Knack! The amount of ideas and effort that's gone into that game, only to be outsold by a pile of excrement? There's a ton of ideas in that game that, theoretically (if the game continues to tank in the shops), Nintendo will look back at and think 'why didn't we just chuck a half assed game out with one of those ideas in each?' Games like this deserve to sell more, and be played by more gamers, and if that means going 2nd or 3rd party, then bring it on: it's a dead cert if SM3D World was released instead on the PS3, or even the PS4, it'd have shifted more copies than it has, and as great a console as the Wii U is, it's Nintendo's games that I want more than its hardware....

 

[WiiCube_2013]

They don't need to satisfy everyone, though. Pizza doesn't satisfy everyone, doesn't mean a pizza chain is doomed to go out of business. They just need to satisfy enough people to remain financially viable, and that's a much smaller number than "everyone".

Nintendo has always had its niche consumer base which is what it is, they don't rush to make games to please everyone but specifically those who enjoy it.

Kinda interesting is the fact that Super Smash Bros. is released only once per a console's lifetime. It's worth the wait so its customers are patient.

N64 = Smash Bros.
NGC = Smash Bros. Melee
Wii = Smash Bros. Brawl
Wii U = Smash Bros. "4/Universe"

 

[Gahars]

The 3DS did not turn around immediately with the price cut. The price cut was hailed as proof that the 3DS was doomed. It was the games that started coming out that turned it around even more so than the price cut.

Not quite.

The games have been important to building the 3DS' momentum, don't get me wrong, but that price drop was absolutely critical in getting the ball rolling. The price cut brought people on board, which attracted more developers, which led to more games, which brought more people on board, etc.

The N64 and Gamecube were not disasters for Nintendo even if they didn't win bragging rights in the console wars of their generation.

Any way you cut it, the N64 and Gamecube performed awfully. Nintendo lost a lot of market share to their competition - even with the meager profits they eked, the two systems were massive disappointments for the company. Just because Nintendo could shoulder those losses doesn't mean they weren't significant.

Dominance in the market is more than "bragging rights" you know.

 

[spotanjo3]

Yes because Super Smash Bros. 4, Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2, Xenoblade 2 and other games aren't what people want.

I dont mind Super Smash Bros 4 for one reason: Megaman! Bayonetta 2 for me because of PS3 and I love monsters... Thats what I care about.. Not about herself! So, I can wait Wii U for a long time. Ps4 is my priority number one because of big 3rd party and it will be worthy money can buy.

 

[WhiteMaze]

Nintendo will fuse with Sega to form Nintega.

We then shall be bombarded with gaming gems like: Mario & Sonic Party, Luigi's Mansion: Knuckles Edition and Eggman Rapes Peach: Touch!.

 

[WiiCube_2013]

I dont mind Super Smash Bros 4 for one reason: Megaman! Bayonetta 2 for me because of PS3 and I love monsters... Thats what I care about.. Not about herself! So, I can wait Wii U for a long time. Ps4 is my priority number one because of big 3rd party and it will be worthy money can buy.

The PS3 version of Bayonetta was pretty shitty in comparison to the superior, which was Xbox 360's edition.

I'll eventually buy an Xbox One Slim and PS4 Slim but for now they lack the exclusive games I want so no need to rush it.

And well, to be honest, being in Portugal you'd be lucky enough to be able to afford even one gaming console seeing how bad your country's economy is right now.

 

[blaisedinsd]

Not quite.

The games have been important to building the 3DS' momentum, don't get me wrong, but that price drop was absolutely critical in getting the ball rolling. The price cut brought people on board, which attracted more developers, which led to more games, which brought more people on board, etc.



Any way you cut it, the N64 and Gamecube performed awfully. Nintendo lost a lot of market share to their competition - even with the meager profits they eked, the two systems were massive disappointments for the company. Just because Nintendo could shoulder those losses doesn't mean they weren't significant.

Dominance in the market is more than "bragging rights" you know.

I am not dismissing the importance of the price drop. The 3DS was initially over priced. But a price drop may give and immediate boost for sales, but sustaining sales is because of the games.

Well by many measures PS3 and 360 for the past few years have dominated even if Wii has better console sales lifetime. PS3 and 360 were not money makers from everything that I have seen and read for the manufacturers. Considering their dominance over a 7 year period, the longest console generation in history, that is a major problem for the health of the overall industry going forward. I certainly hope at least one of them reverses this with their new consoles.

Even if they have bragging rights and dominance their is a big problem if they are not making money along with that.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Yes because Super Smash Bros. 4, Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2, Xenoblade 2 and other games aren't what people want.

Just like Super Smash Bros. made the Gamecube and N64 successful.

R-right guys?

Also if you think Bayoniche 2 and Xenoniche 2 are going to push consoles then you're deluding yourself.

 

[blaisedinsd]

In what way was the gamecube and N64 not successful?

Did they doom nintendo the same the wii u is going to?

 

[Pleng]

I think the problem with the first party emphasis is that Nintendo end up competing with themselves.

I had to get rid of my 3DS a while ago. And I would quite like a new one at some point next year. I would also quite like a Wii-U but I certainly won't be getting both - not for the foreseeable future anyway.

For the people that already have a 3DS, and maybe don't have much time or money to invest in gaming, they've already had a new 2D & 3D Mario game to play recently, so the incentive isn't there to get a Wii-U right now. Maybe a couple of years down the line it might seem like a more attractive option.

For me it's a relatively clear cut choice. I want to play Link Between Worlds and a new 2D Mario game, so the 3DS is the logical choice. Even though of course with New Super Luigi U there's a lot *more* Mario available, and it would be nice to have the WiiU double up as an emulation station and media player.

Should Nintendo announce a new F-Zero game for the Wii-U then it might just cause me to lean towards Wii-U as opposed to 3DS, but Nintendo are only stealing a sale of themselves at the end of the day!

 

[ShadowSoldier]

Just like Super Smash Bros. made the Gamecube and N64 successful.

R-right guys?

Also if you think Bayoniche 2 and Xenoniche 2 are going to push consoles then you're deluding yourself.

I'm sorry, but just stop. Nintendo made some great money on both of those consoles. Compared to the PS2, yeah the Xbox and GameCube both failed. But Nintendo made a decent profit off of both the N64 and GameCube. I mean going by your logic, the PSP was a failure despite selling 80 million, and the PS3 and Xbox 360 were both a failure compared to the Wii. Especially with the PS3 considering Sony BARELY made any money off of it. The console was bleeding Sony money for like 4 years straight before it did any good.

You don't know if Bayonetta and X will sell consoles. You can't just pull random things out of your ass and state it as fact.

 

[pwsincd]

ps4 order cancelled..... WiiU games bought instead i feel so much better.

 

[osirisjem]

Nintendo keeps screwing up.

No Mario Kart 8 for Christmas 2013 ?

Major screw up.

Nintendo admitted the Wii U was their attempt to go after "Gamers".

Obviously that failed.

In 2013, For Xmas ads, I see the Wii U targeting girls that like Tennis (which you can do on the Wii anyway, and it doesnt use the gamepad).

 

[Gahars]

You don't know if Bayonetta and X will sell consoles. You can't just pull random things out of your ass and state it as fact.

To be fair, it's a reasonable to make that conclusion here. We're talking about the sequels to two relatively niche titles; they just don't have a very large audience.

Might a few people buy the Wii U for either one of those titles? Certainly. However, when a lot of people don't really know what Xenoblade and/or Bayonetta are, the chances that they're going to run out and buy a console for their sequels is practically nonexistent. The last Platinum game didn't move systems, so I don't think it's reasonable to assume this one will.

It'd be like if someone claimed last gen that Braid and Alan Wake was going to sell Xbox 360s. The titles are just too niche to have a significant enough draw.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

To be fair, it's a reasonable to make that conclusion here. We're talking about the sequels to two relatively niche titles; they just don't have a very large audience.

Might a few people buy the Wii U for either one of those titles? Certainly. However, when a lot of people don't really know what Xenoblade and/or Bayonetta are, the chances that they're going to run out and buy a console for their sequels is practically nonexistent. The last Platinum game didn't move systems, so I don't think it's reasonable to assume this one will.

It'd be like if someone claimed last gen that Braid and Alan Wake was going to sell Xbox 360s. The titles are just too niche to have a significant enough draw.

Ya it's fair to assume, I'll give you that. But to just flat out say that it won't sell consoles as if it's a fact, that's a bit bold. I personally think X might do pretty good. It looks like it has that epic type of game to it. I just hope Nintendo steps up their advertising big time for it, and Bayonetta 2. Even Hideki Kamiya said that he was mad at Nintendo for the lack of advertising for Wonderful 101.

He also stated that he'd like to bring Bayonetta 1 to the WiiU as well, but it's all up to Nintendo.