ROM Hack Pokemon X and Y Battle Analyzer

[Duo8]

This should've been a POC instead of an actual release.

 

[isaac52]

Honestly, what's the problem with this application? So what if it's cheating, it's not like these multiplayer "battles" are necessary to complete the game…

I honestly don't know many people who buy pokemon games in recent times just to complete the story/pokedex. Battles are a huge part of the enjoyment, and honestly if you think RUINING the multiplayer experience of ANY game as popular as pokemon isn't a big deal, then obviously you've never been a competitive player of any nature.

 

[finkmac]

I honestly don't know many people who buy pokemon games in recent times just to complete the story/pokedex. Battles are a huge part of the enjoyment, and honestly if you think RUINING the multiplayer experience of ANY game as popular as pokemon isn't a big deal, then obviously you've never been a competitive player of any nature.

I wouldn't say it's "Ruining" anything any more than Pokésav did. Besides, battles aren't even very exciting…

Oh yeah, and Pokémon is not a competitive game.

 

[isaac52]

I wouldn't say it's "Ruining" anything any more than Pokésav did. Besides, battles aren't even very exciting…

Oh yeah, and Pokémon is not a competitive game.

Pokesav did ruin trading. So there's that. However, it didn't effect actual outcomes of battles or create unfair advantages with aspects not intended in the game like this. (unless you wondertombed and stuff but that was too obvious)

And obviously pokemon IS competitive to some degree, there's tournaments, prizes, and competitive synopsis and strategies developed over the years. Just because you don't enjoy it's competitive community doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and honestly if you're this ignorant you shouldn't even be giving your opinion on a matter as sensitive as this.

 

[xyzman]

anyone able to run the program? i just made a counter program and want to test it out.

See PM for my skype, I'll be glad to help you despite still thinking that the whole situation is pretty hilarious.

 

[FAST6191]

Please do not start that one again finkmac, we had a whole thread on the matter http://gbatemp.net/threads/pokémon-casual-childrens-game-or-competitive-strategy.355943/

That said

Thankgod noone bothered to release a program like this for 4th and 5th gen.

I seem to recall seeing some cheats that did somewhat similar things.

 

[Clydefrosch]

oh boy... really hope nintendo sees reason and gives us a patch that encrypts this stuff someway :/
now that it can actually be used to make wins much much easier, more people will be interested in this kind of software than before.

 

[finkmac]

Pokesav did ruin trading. So there's that. However, it didn't effect actual outcomes of battles or create unfair advantages with aspects not intended in the game like this. (unless you wondertombed and stuff but that was too obvious)

And obviously pokemon IS competitive to some degree, there's tournaments, prizes, and competitive synopsis and strategies developed over the years. Just because you don't enjoy it's competitive community doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and honestly if you're this ignorant you shouldn't even be giving your opinion on a matter as sensitive as this.

Pokésav didn't ruin trading, It was "ruined" because Nintendo allowed people to request a "Level 9 or lower Zekrom".

Honestly, this isn't going to cause anything to happen… People are going to cheat regardless of whether they can see moves or not.

I don't see why you insist on blaming the creator of this program, it's not their fault that Nintendo left the signals unencrypted.

 

[Aliahan]

Oh yeah, and Pokémon is not a competitive game.

Oh really? Tell that to all the people that got all-expense paid trips to play at the nationals. And tell that to the winners of that who got flown out to Hawaii and Japan and shit for the worldwide tournaments and got real-world prizes. Yeah. Totally not competitive.

 

[Geren]

Pokésav didn't ruin trading, It was "ruined" because Nintendo allowed people to request a "Level 9 or lower Zekrom".

Honestly, this isn't going to cause anything to happen… People are going to cheat regardless of whether they can see moves or not.

I don't see why you insist on blaming the creator of this program, it's not their fault that Nintendo left the signals unencrypted.

Mate, you are wrong. This is a new generation with more security and there's no pokesav or pokegen that works on these cartridges, so there wasn't anything "ruined" or so to speak of. Sure, there's going to be pokebank, but on official tournaments old gen pokemons aren't permitted, so there was a still a "legit" feel of the game.

We blame the creator because he broke a multiplayer game mechanic on purpose, with full knowledge of the consequences. You may not care about this game or the competitive scene, but for many, many people, this makes everything unpleseant and meaningless. Try to see things from other's perspective before you post, please.

 

[isaac52]

Pokésav didn't ruin trading, It was "ruined" because Nintendo allowed people to request a "Level 9 or lower Zekrom".

Honestly, this isn't going to cause anything to happen… People are going to cheat regardless of whether they can see moves or not.

I don't see why you insist on blaming the creator of this program, it's not their fault that Nintendo left the signals unencrypted.

Please don't push fallacious false equivalencies like the GTS to the actual trading community while also assuming it can't get any worse because of your exaggerated projected issues. Pokesav/gen killed the incentive to trade, create, and contribute yourself because you could do it all yourself with 1/1000th the effort. You really are full of crap if you think dumb trade requests hurt the community nearly as much as the actual removal of the incentive to trade at all.

It's not even deniable that the trading community's activity plummeted with the advent of game editing for each time it became available for their respective games/eras. Just as it will once it's enabled for this gen too.

And what do you mean this isn't going to cause anything to happen? Obviously it's going to cause people to cheat/not play online. So in what way does it not cause anything? And how would people cheat without this? Instacheck? Because that's a totally different type of "Cheating" and ignorant as hell to try to equate them. No, they wouldn't be cheating anywhere near this much, which is essentially auto-win whereas any other type of "Cheating" would be maybe RNG egg abuse to get what is already feasibly available. (Or shinies which don't make you any more likely to win)

And yes, we do blame the creator because he purposely and knowingly sought out to cheat, with no ulterior motive other than to get famous for enabling it.

 

[UltraMew]

Another one? There was just one released that shows the chosen move.
You're the same guy that originally posted this on reddit it seems. Looks like you added team viewing as well right? I don't believe that was in the original version, correct?
This is going to ruin competitive battling, but I'm not a competitive player and I trust my friends will not use this app, so I'm not bothered by it myself.
I will probably try it out myself just for fun, but I won't be using it in any serious battles.

LOL, your quotes have the link in it, top page says removed.

 

[Arras]

Pokésav didn't ruin trading, It was "ruined" because Nintendo allowed people to request a "Level 9 or lower Zekrom".

Honestly, this isn't going to cause anything to happen… People are going to cheat regardless of whether they can see moves or not.

I don't see why you insist on blaming the creator of this program, it's not their fault that Nintendo left the signals unencrypted.

Basically this is the same thing as using a program to be able to see through walls in an online FPS. It doesn't magically make you able to do things you couldn't before but it's still very much cheating. Pokesav on the other hand was more like an instant "unlock all weapons" and much more harmless for online battling.

 

[IronClouds]

So is someone gonna forward this to Nintendo/Game Freak so they can start working on a patch or what?

 

[brunno159]

So is someone gonna forward this to Nintendo/Game Freak so they can start working on a patch or what?

I did, got no response :/

 

[ßleck]

While I think this shouldn't be happening and that cheating like this is just wrong... It doesn't necessarily ruin competitive battling. To be honest I don't think being able to see your opponents moves and stats hurts the game as much as it does with, for example, being able to see someones cards in a poker game. Of course the person cheating will have a small advantage and you won't be able to have the element of suprise, but if you're good enough that shouldn't be a problem. Besides, like others have said only a small percentage of people will use this and because of that you won't have a to deal with them a lot.

 

[isaac52]

Knowing the moves is huge, take for example Kangaskhan, who is a defining part of the 3v3 battlespot meta. He has major 4MSS, in that he generally runs either sucker punch or crunch for ghost coverage, knowing which he's running is huge for countering him.

That's just the most common example you'll see, but obviously the surprise factor of knowing if they run hidden power or other surprise coverage moves is very substantial, though i will admit it isn't as advantageous as knowing poker hands due to the sheer amount of radical variables. Pokemon doesn't really have that for experienced players. (especially for the 3v3 battlespot)

 

[FAST6191]

Here we go again I guess.

[pokemon not competitive]Oh really? Tell that to all the people that got all-expense paid trips to play at the nationals. And tell that to the winners of that who got flown out to Hawaii and Japan and shit for the worldwide tournaments and got real-world prizes. Yeah. Totally not competitive.

To go much further you are going to have to define what competition is, I am not sure simply hosting a tournament counts towards that and going mathematical I am not sold on pokemon representing a useful competition. We already had this thread though, you can see it http://gbatemp.net/threads/pokémon-casual-childrens-game-or-competitive-strategy.355943/ .

Besides, like others have said only a small percentage of people will use this and because of that you won't have a to deal with them a lot.

Assuming I am not in a controlled environment (like a tournament, though even there it possibly just takes some planning) the very last thing I am going to bet on is a sense of fair play in the general public where the cost of cheating (if it can even be called that*) is minimal and the detection of cheaters is likely to be almost zero (at best if someone buffs "for no reason" then you might say something, someone else might call it defensive play though).

*is, is not, I really do not care for this particular reply, depending upon your viewpoint it is not "proper" cheating though so some might deem it acceptable (a sense of fairness seems to be one of the most bendable things I tend to encounter in people).

Anyway I am trying to decide how much Gamefreak hosed up the programming/security, I also wonder how they might claw it back. On the one hand yeah it is the whole unlocked door thing but on the other there are a great many precedents that say if you transmit in plain text with absolutely no attempt at security* then there is a lot of precedent to say you do not care.

*though they are mathematically related hashing/tamper detection and encryption/read prevention are not the same. I have not completely gone through the source code yet and nothing was mentioned in the OP but it looks like there was not even at attempt at scrambling/obfuscation; even if you were unable to do big boy crypto a random cipher would probably have stopped most of these hacks (indeed I imagine they probably already did such a thing to prevent replay/injection attacks).

And yes, we do blame the creator because he purposely and knowingly sought out to cheat, with no ulterior motive other than to get famous for enabling it.

And I guess you posted that because of your deep and abiding love of jazz tap music -- guessing motivations is hard and shots in the dark are even worse.

 

[Hozu]

This program DOES affect official VGC competitions, because there have been 5th gen WiFi tournaments for championship points. Players are ranked by said points, and only the top players in each region are invited to VGC worlds.

 

[Insidiae]

At least this guy has balls unlike Smealum who didn't share any results of his hack with community. And sending "exploit" to Game Freak? Is it people's money or privacy under risk? If you want fair battles, go to Smogon or Pokemon Online.

You're telling me that now i have to play in a simulator to have a fair chance at battling? That's stupid.