Why Fairy Tail is bad

[Clydefrosch]

i find fairy tail to be much more enjoyable than naruto or bleach atm.

why should the main characters even change? similar to one piece, they simply stand for a certain set of values and they wont let them be compromised.
they dont really have a reason too. its nice to see the bad guys and the morally challenged undergo change though.

and dont tell me you really see character development in one piece. its exactly the same. in fact, it seems kinda worse there. luffy is still as irresponsible with his life and actions as he was at the beginning. he just got more power allowing him to become even more irresponsible.
while aces death was 'tragic', it really didnt seem to have much effect on anyone, specially not luffy.
one piece characters really just get stronger like all other shonen characters. it probably seems like more changes due to constant costume and body updates.
in fact, the way i see it, character development in one piece is always just temporary. there was some development with robin in the water 7 ark. however, after that was over, she behaved just like she did before. only during the water 7 episodes did she act different, ridiculously ridden by guilt and stuff like that.
nami with arlong too. she didnt change much since then. apart from being slightly less afraid to fight.
lysop is still telling lies and being afraid, even though he should probably have changed the most in his two year plight. in reality, all he got was a few new 'bullets' to use. there never was more development than in the episodes where he left the crew to save the ship of his love interest and while he was posing as sogeking (though not so much anymore at that point). since then, its just the same, afraid but yet he somehow goes and fights as good as he can anyway. same old same old.
im really just waiting to see franky run out of fuel when it counts again.


if theres significant character development, its usually from the bad guys too, and most of the time, we only learn about it from the cover shots (like with the cp9, enel or karibou right now)
helmeppo and fullbody are probably examples here. both changed a lot, though they really just became different characters. snotty child turns almost talented man of the law. and huge ego marine captain (?) turned slave for better marine captain

 

[porkiewpyne]

It did. There's something that keeps Bleach interesting, despite some flaws...
Same for Naruto... I actually find the story imteresting. Not a masterpiece BUT, interesting nonetheless.
It all began when they introduced the character Pain... XD

I liked Naruto initially because the ninja-in-real-modern-life concept was interesting. But we all know how that went :\
Bleach..... yea nvm

I don't get the point with One Piece. It has no plot at all.

Follow your dream. Never give up. Don't be a dick. Ever.

 

[gamefan5]

Goddamn. FT's author just cannot accept death as an option.

Spoiler

Ultear didn't even die. She became an old lady, faking her death to her friends.
However, Gray recognized her and knew she was alive.

I liked Naruto initially because the ninja-in-real-modern-life concept was interesting. But we all know how that went :\
Bleach..... yea nvm


Follow your dream. Never give up. Don't be a dick. Ever.

What I find interesting in Naruto is the fact that it INTRODUCES a bit of morality (philosophy)XD

 

[Warrior522]

It did. There's something that keeps Bleach interesting, despite some flaws...
Same for Naruto... I actually find the story imteresting. Not a masterpiece BUT, interesting nonetheless.
It all began when they introduced the character Pain... XD

Honestly, I liked Bleach, but the fucking Arrancar arc just MURDERED it. Slow as all fucking christ and BORING as hell(seriously, did any of us think even for a second Ichigo was going to lose?). By the time they actually got to the good twists and turns of the Decide arc, it was long dead. And the Xecution arc... How much more pointless could that arc have been? It was to solve a problem that was forced to create "drama(read: whiny bullshit designed to make fantards throw a fit)," and just wasted time that should have gone to the current arc, which keeps tripping over itself every other chapter despite having some of the best moments in the series due to focusing on the completely uninteresting protagonist and not the wide variety of interesting characters around him(the same thing that killed everything past the Soul Society arc).

Naruto is just a mess. The main characters are all unlikeable each in their own unique way(Naruto is arrogant and annoying as hell, Sakura is fucking useless because Kishimoto has no fucking idea how to write anything with breasts as anything other than fanservice or "teh dramas," and FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON SASUKE), and once again, most of the side characters go to waste in favor of these three irritants. I enjoy the Rock Lee spinoff more than the main story, as in I actually willingly watch and enjoy it weekly.

 

[Clydefrosch]

Goddamn. FT's author just cannot accept death as an option.

Spoiler

Ultear didn't even die. She became an old lady, faking her death to her friends.
However, Gray recognized her and knew she was alive.

shes about to die though. she litterally only has time left to say godbye and contemplate her chances of redemption. though yes, that one act of reversing time felt like a slap even for me... i mean, what were the chances of everyone dieing in exactly that one minute?

 

[MegaAce™]

Follow your dream. Never give up. Don't be a dick. Ever.

That is no plot. How can every other manga be described as "progressing effin slow" when Luffy still hasn't reached his destination in 700 chapters?

 

[Ethevion]

It did. There's something that keeps Bleach interesting, despite some flaws...
Same for Naruto... I actually find the story imteresting. Not a masterpiece BUT, interesting nonetheless.
It all began when they introduced the character Pain... XD

The only reason I like Bleach is because of some characters. They come up with really badass characters, but the plot just gets lamer. As for Naruto, it was cool when stealth played a part, you know being ninjas and all.

 

[Gourmet-Hunter-C]

i find fairy tail to be much more enjoyable than naruto or bleach atm.

why should the main characters even change? similar to one piece, they simply stand for a certain set of values and they wont let them be compromised.

Well actually luffy powered up to protect his crew after Ace's death also since the time skip he fights more maturely and now he now he even offered to give ace's devil fruit to someone else if he wins it

 

[Warrior522]

I don't get the point with One Piece. It has no plot at all.

...have you even read the damn thing? Seriously. Every single character has a distinct motivation, backstory, personality, and goal. Luffy wants to become king of the pirates, and thus must reach the end of the world and take everyone else higher up than him out along the way. Zoro is a swordsman who wants to become the greatest swordsman of all time in honor of his friend who died in an accident when they were both kids. Usopp wants to find his father(his prior goal of becoming less of a coward is already met). Brook wants to meet up with Laboon, a whale he and his crew met and promised to return to and meet up with, but died before they could. And that's not even half of the main 10.

 

[gamefan5]

shes about to die though. she litterally only has time left to say godbye and contemplate her chances of redemption. though yes, that one act of reversing time felt like a slap even for me... i mean, what were the chances of everyone dieing in exactly that one minute?

Yes, about to die as an old lady... She just sped up her aging process.
And they will not ever mention it as her dying ever again. Seriosuly in more than 300 chapters I find it hilarious that no one has died yet. XD

 

[Gahars]

why should the main characters even change?

>Anime fans

Bazooper.

 

[porkiewpyne]

That is no plot. How can every other manga be described as "progressing effin slow" when Luffy still hasn't reached his destination in 700 chapters?

That almost like saying "OMFG Y U NO FINISH EARLIER HARRY POTTER DAFAQ 7 BOOKS LOL"

 

[Warrior522]

>Anime fans

Bazooper.

See now, this is why I hate Shonen; the American base is, for the most part, Yaoi fangirls and idiot fanboys who only want to see a billion fights and never have to deal with things like, oh I don't know... creativity?

 

[Clydefrosch]

everyone in those mangas always powers up to protect their shit. they do that in fairy tail as well, even though half the power ups are temporary in fairy tail or only show leftover effects 20 chapters later.
luffy does not fight more maturely though, he just doesnt. its the same as always, one attack after the other, now randomly enhanced with haki that apparently is a swiss army knife among abilities, similar to the sharingan in naruto (it makes your body stronger, enhances your muscles, has 200 jutsus you dont really need to train for etc etc).

or do you think it was reasonable to assume that sucking in all of ceasars poison gas would work out fine and dandy because he was already poisoned once in the past and he somehow is able to channel things from his lungs to his ears now?
or how there was a plan and he completely ignored it to fight in that tournament?
or how he still ignores pretty much anything just as he always did? like not making big mom angry and then even angrier.

hes just the same airhead as he was when the show started. granted, thats exactly what people want in those long shonen series. they just want it to go on the way it did.

 

[gamefan5]

...have you even read the damn thing? Seriously. Every single character has a distinct motivation, backstory, personality, and goal. Luffy wants to become king of the pirates, and thus must reach the end of the world and take everyone else higher up than him out along the way. Zoro is a swordsman who wants to become the greatest swordsman of all time in honor of his friend who died in an accident when they were both kids. Usopp wants to find his father(his prior goal of becoming less of a coward is already met). Brook wants to meet up with Laboon, a whale he and his crew met and promised to return to and meet up with, but died before they could. And that's not even half of the main 10.

As for Naruto, the main character becomes more mature throughout the story. Sure, he still has that same goal of savng Sasuke but that's not the only point now, (and it took A LOT of episodes to clear that out). With the character Pain, Naruto was forced to discuss the flaws of ninja society, (which functions a lot like outs.) How war is always a result of hatred, and it's a cycle that never ends because it always breed chaos and hate. It's a vicious cycle. It's actually at this moment that I found story interesting because, Naruto has been given a lot of maturity after his mentor died. As a keepsake from him, he decides to find a way to end that cycle of hatred that plagues the ninja world.
Becoming Hokage is no longer just for acknowledgement, it's also to change how the ninja society works. To prevent that events like the Uchiha clan's massacre no longer have to happen again, for one thing. XD That's just hiw I understand it though. Not sure if it makes sense to you. However, I do agree that there are MAJOR flaws, some that are imo unforgivable.
Some characters also have a good character backgrounds, but like you say, some are utterly stupid and just horrendous.

 

[MegaAce™]

For me, the difference between One Piece and Bleach/Naruto is that we already know where OP will end. Luffy's goal had beed declared from the start: reaching the One Piece and becoming the King of Pirates. So the goal is set and it seems for me that Oda is just making damn fillers into the story, just to make it last longer. The end of Bleach/Naruto is (not quite, but still) unclear, but it's probably a happy end like most shounen, but at least the stories of Bleach and Naruto seem to come to an end soon.

 

[Clydefrosch]

>Anime fans

Bazooper.

no, thats a legitimate question. i mean, if the characters are inherently flawed in the context of the story, i get it. but thats not the case for this manga. the line of thought is like this: individuality is wonderful and everyone should be as they are, as long as they're not trying to hurt other people.

now that dumb as fuck future diary series on the other hand... that ones protagonist had all the reasons in the world to change. yet he ended up as a 10000 year old emo kid...

For me, the difference between One Piece and Bleach/Naruto is that we already know where OP will end. Luffy's goal had beed declared from the start: reaching the One Piece and becoming the King of Pirates. So the goal is set and it seems for me that Oda is just making damn fillers into the story, just to make it last longer. The end of Bleach/Naruto is (not quite, but still) unclear, but it's probably a happy end like most shounen, but at least the stories of Bleach and Naruto seem to come to an end soon.

you have to agree though, if becoming pirate king was so easy that you could do it in 3 years, you'd expect that someone else should have had that title already.

also, how is narutos ending not clear? he will be loved by everyone, sasuke will become friendly enough and save the leaf, he probably will either have a child with hinata or sakura (and i guess the artist is going for hinata now) and he will be a hokage just as he wished to be.

he'll also turn around the eternal hateful madara. by sheer force of good will.

bleach... just goes on as well. there will always be room for another dark evil of the past hidden in the shadows of absolute ignorance by everyone important.
but we can see how it will go on. ichigo, as the crossbreed of all the important races will probably end up uniting everyone, realizing that they all have a place in some kind of supernatural order of the universe. he will make the hollows turn into nobodies and eventually fullbodies again, he will quench the hatred in the hearts of the very much nazi like quincy (also fuck all japanese who try to make things cool by throwing in random german words that really make them sound like a bunch of fairies.) and probably return the shinigami to what they once were, guardians of the dead.

he will then have a freak baby that might or might not become the protagonist for a spinoff that will be filled with even bigger monochromatic panels so that you have even less dialog per chapter. god beware he repeats his mistake of not stretching the whole thing from the very first chapter.

 

[Gahars]

no, thats a legitimate question. i mean, if the characters are inherently flawed in the context of the story, i get it. but thats not the case for this manga. the line of thought is like this: individuality is wonderful and everyone should be as they are, as long as they're not trying to hurt other people.

now that dumb as fuck future diary series on the other hand... that ones protagonist had all the reasons in the world to change. yet he ended up as a 10000 year old emo kid...

Because static, unchanging characters are flat, shallow, and uninteresting. Characters should develop as the narrative develops. They should grow, or at the very least, evolve as actual human beings do. The journey a character undergoes is as much spiritual as it is physical. If the events the characters experience don't impact them in any meaningful way, then what's the point?

Character development doesn't somehow mean losing your individuality. The whole "Everyone's a special snowflake!" stance seems more like an excuse for hack writing than anything else.

 

[Gourmet-Hunter-C]

no, thats a legitimate question. i mean, if the characters are inherently flawed in the context of the story, i get it. but thats not the case for this manga. the line of thought is like this: individuality is wonderful and everyone should be as they are, as long as they're not trying to hurt other people.

now that dumb as fuck future diary series on the other hand... that ones protagonist had all the reasons in the world to change. yet he ended up as a 10000 year old emo kid...




you have to agree though, if becoming pirate king was so easy that you could do it in 3 years, you'd expect that someone else should have had that title already.

also, how is narutos ending not clear? he will be loved by everyone, sasuke will become friendly enough and save the leaf, he probably will either have a child with hinata or sakura (and i guess the artist is going for hinata now) and he will be a hokage just as he wished to be.

he'll also turn around the eternal hateful madara. by sheer force of good will.

bleach... just goes on as well. there will always be room for another dark evil of the past hidden in the shadows of absolute ignorance by everyone important.
but we can see how it will go on. ichigo, as the crossbreed of all the important races will probably end up uniting everyone, realizing that they all have a place in some kind of supernatural order of the universe. he will make the hollows turn into nobodies and eventually fullbodies again, he will quench the hatred in the hearts of the very much nazi like quincy (also fuck all japanese who try to make things cool by throwing in random german words that really make them sound like a bunch of fairies.) and probably return the shinigami to what they once were, guardians of the dead.

Actually in future diary he isn't emo because he is a happy guy who is god of the third world with Yuno you clearly didn't see the happy ending

 

[MegaAce™]

you have to agree though, if becoming pirate king was so easy that you could do it in 3 years, you'd expect that someone else should have had that title already.

It's pretty convenient isn't it? Luffy's crew aren't the only pirates in the OP universe, so why can't find anyone of the other pirates find the friggin treasure? I would have expected that Blackbeard and his bums would have found it already. But no, everyone's waiting for Luffy to take it. Friggin plot convenience.