Hacking Idea: When Wii U is hacked, port a Wii emulator to it for HD Wii gaming

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Thanks, that was a good read.
I think whoever is interested in piracy, should simply go back to good old modchips.
Hackers are tired of working for free and being constantly harassed by pirates, considering the valid point that there are other viable options out there to run homebrew, I can't really blame them.

With the comeback of modchips, people who really want to pirate games on their Wii U will have to take an extra step and buy a modchip ( I'm sure we'll see more then one model coming soon ).
That would be a healthy thing to do for the system IMO.
Modchip producers will have the incentive to produce the best/cheapest modchip yet, site like GBAtemp will flourish with reviews of the latest feature rich modchips ( like the good old times ), forums will grow with people interested in the subject and doing research on it, users will make a buck or two offering to mod sytems for the rest of us not skilled enough to do it, computer shops could have a backroom where unofficially console modding will happen, and Nintendo will finally sell more hardware too !

Everybody has a slice of the pie.That's the best motivation in the world.
Oh and that would prevent cheap noobs to freely run a hackmii installer on their machine and start to pirate.
If you really want piracy, you'll have to invest some money into it,and some people might just think it's too much trouble to be bothered with and will stick with cheap used games.
And I think by going that route, there will be growth in system and software sales as well, as piracy would be possible but not openly accessible to the masses do and will be kept at acceptable levels.

I said it before and I'm convinced that the main reason we didn't see a proper hack for the DSi or 3DS is also flashcart related.
If they hack it, people will want to be able to run stuff from the standard SD card slot, who would want to buy a flashcart for it ?
No flashcart sale=nobody makes money, no GBAtemp review, no mod chip stores,no affiliation,no interest.

It's a profit deal ;)
From how you talk, you must be making a modchip or involved in it. Sure, the hack is the enemy then. I WONDER then why "Venom" would try to call out f0f for not releasing something in their nfo file? "Ha ha, I made this, where are you with unlocking the system" kind of idea. I can see why that looks like a ploy. Of course, it is the moral thing to do; sell hardware to PIRATE only, without cultivating homebrew, and make money off of that. That has always been the spirit behind old school types who wanted freedom and hated restrictions on hardware;-)

Oh, and flashcarts...are piracy. Yes, it will make money for those doing mods, sure, did some of that for the 360 stuff as people were too afraid to solder. However, people are going to pirate regardless and the Wii U mode being unlocked is of course not going to help people trying to make money off of what is illegal/immoral/harmless (depends on who you ask and research). "I robbed a bank, but to hand out $100 bills I charge $10 per bill." I just saw some MORE research that shows the heaviest pirates (researched) spent like 300% more than "Clean" users. Music industry failed to support their $400,000 fines for grandma's PC download Britney Spear's latest song, lmfao. Study after study has shown that the activity, "on the whole", actually has not harmed sales. I've seen the arguments both ways, but no SPECIFIC evidence to show a system went south and died DUE to being unlocked.

Developers don't have a solid base, so why invest in Wii U? If 10 million units of Wii U exist, but 1% pirate, that is still a massive profit potential. I agree, if 90% pirate, game over. YET, no system, even the easiest to pirate, were ever proven/shown to have been that high. They were dying already (Dreamcast). A lot of people still buy systems, hardware, will buy some games, and if there is a huge base, I'd argue the rest is BS (Wii, 360, etc). Those were the TWO most hacked/pirated systems this last generation...and also the most successful. Nintendo will always have exclusives, and each system starts slowly, and the Wii U shown to not be off pace with 360/PS3 launches and THOSE WERE BETTER FINANCIAL TIMES). Once base of owners increase, then others see a profit margin. Without units sold, no reason to tweak some engine, or put effort to port a game.

WITHOUT work like Maxternal is trying to do on there 3 core thread, there won't be any Wii emulator or anything for Wii U mode. UNLESS somebody else unlocked Wii U by following hole Marcan exposed in his blog, we cannot get there. Instead of the arguments that are fun, but always seem to give BENEFIT to the modchip sellers only, maybe we can put efforts into helping Maxternal. Either way, the groundwork would be linux with 3 core support. ONLY other way I see is if Marcan releases or if OTHERS find the Wii U mode hack will any of this be possible.
 

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From how you talk, you must be making a modchip or involved in it. Sure, the hack is the enemy then. I WONDER then why "Venom" would try to call out f0f for not releasing something in their nfo file? "Ha ha, I made this, where are you with unlocking the system" kind of idea. I can see why that looks like a ploy. Of course, it is the moral thing to do; sell hardware to PIRATE only, without cultivating homebrew, and make money off of that. That has always been the spirit behind old school types who wanted freedom and hated restrictions on hardware;-)
.......................e.
I must confess, I don't get most of what you are saying here.
I don't know what's your point.

All I'm saying is, that apparently homebrew on the Wii U is redundant,nobody wants it, nobody wants to invest hours and hours to create a development system by reverse engineering it's complicated hardware.
There's no motivation here, when other open platform can do the same or better ( and once they find a way to connect the Wii U pad to the PC there will be no contest ).
Those who want it, are concerned with piracy mostly. Those who really want it, should stop bitching and whining all over the net like the cheap ass they are and spend some cash to get a modchip.
Modchip makers will be highly motivated to create good modchips and compete against each other for the most feature rich solution.
People will be happy.
There you have it, problem solved !

You should have been here 6 - 7 years ago when the place was filled every other day with hardware reviews of modchips, flashcarts, pass me, slot -1 , slot -2 , flashme, Flash2Advance and so on, the place was the pirates paradise! Every information you needed to hack was right here on GBAtemp !
Modchip stores would advertise on the temp and a little cash was flowing in to support the site !
Look what happened when free, do it yourself soft mods started to appear.....
You only get noobs bitching and disrespecting homebrew coders because they aren't even able to properly format their SD cards LOL......

And how in the world would I be involved in making modchips ? I'm not from China or something......:blink:
 

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I must confess, I don't get most of what you are saying here.
I don't know what's your point.

All I'm saying is, that apparently homebrew on the Wii U is redundant,nobody wants it, nobody wants to invest hours and hours to create a development system by reverse engineering it's complicated hardware.
There's no motivation here, when other open platform can do the same or better ( and once they find a way to connect the Wii U pad to the PC there will be no contest ).
Those who want it, are concerned with piracy mostly. Those who really want it, should stop bitching and whining all over the net like the cheap ass they are and spend some cash to get a modchip.
Modchip makers will be highly motivated to create good modchips and compete against each other for the most feature rich solution.
People will be happy.
There you have it, problem solved !

You should have been here 6 - 7 years ago when the place was filled every other day with hardware reviews of modchips, flashcarts, pass me, slot -1 , slot -2 , flashme, Flash2Advance and so on, the place was the pirates paradise! Every information you needed to hack was right here on GBAtemp !
Modchip stores would advertise on the temp and a little cash was flowing in to support the site !
Look what happened when free, do it yourself soft mods started to appear.....
You only get noobs bitching and disrespecting homebrew coders because they aren't even able to properly format their SD cards LOL......

And how in the world would I be involved in making modchips ? I'm not from China or something......:blink:
Your thinking is a sales pitch. I talk free, you talk controlling. People are trying. Pure piracy is all you want. I do hope it is free. With people like you maybe others will have more push to dev.

You steal from bank, piracy. Then you want only way to steal controlled; mod chips. Charge insane amounts of money. Still able to comprehend? Only piracy, which is why the one with Wii U mode hack says it is not given out.

Ironic, people once modded for freedom. Boot, run, program for hardware. Now parasites still go for pure piracy and to "prevent" piracy, everyone is stuck with locked box and no chance for homebrew.

All you want is piracy, and while some are helping, leeches like you just hope homebrew fails because it could also give for free what you are doing by charging anyway. I hope Marcan pisses in your face or somebody else does. Know where you can stick those mod chips? Ignore after this, lol.
 

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................ Still able to comprehend? ..........

Sorry mate, you lost me looong ago.
And I thought my English was bad..............;)

............. Pure piracy is all you want. ...........

I still don't get what is it that YOU want.

By the way, no need to insult each other here, this is a friendly forum :)
 
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Well, an emulator is not needed, just some GPU conf shall solve the primary suggestion....
If the "sleeping giants" watch this thread, I would ask a full access to Wii, Gamecube ans Wii U games on HDD with enchantment as what the initial poster is asking for...
I would also ask for full playable gamecube games on gamepad from the Wii U <3
But in order to defy them, I would ask for an unbreakable system that allow copying to hard drive only from original games disc (as devo does) and if the system asks to check with the original disc every 10 uses I wouldn't matter... (except for GC games whereas I have a Wii and GC system...)
They seem so bored with hacking systems...
 

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if im not mistaken i remember a while back someone at Nintendo saying its not possible to upscale original wii games on wii u because there hard coded for only 480i, 480p.
tho some games may look diffrent in Wii u vWii. maybe some arent?
 

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Why is this thread still going? The idea was obvious, unoriginal and implausible.
Better than creating a new one...
When you read the title, you know where you are...

if im not mistaken i remember a while back someone at Nintendo saying its not possible to upscale original wii games on wii u because there hard coded for only 480i, 480p.
tho some games may look diffrent in Wii u vWii. maybe some arent?
Depends on GPU, if you ask different GPU to display a sphere (for example), the result will be different...
Depends also the way it was coded... If you ask the GPU to display a "sphere" it will be nicer if the GPU is more powerful, but if you asked the main proc to calculate n interpolated points to create the "sphere", it will always remains the same loosy graphics even with a powerful proc, the sphere will always remains the same...
 

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I got this idea from Devolution, which runs GC games in Wii mode on Wii consoles.

It was probably said a zillion times in this thread at this point, but Devolution is not an emulator - it's more like an interpreter. GC and Wii code is cross-compatible, all Devolution does is running it in Wii Mode. Technically the additional CPU power could be used towards increasing performance, practically there's not a whole lot of memory to go around in terms of the loader. Technically in both the Wii's and the WiiU's case the loader could force rendering at a higher resolution or impose a custom Anti-Aliasing scheme but it's a whole lot of work for very little in return.

if im not mistaken i remember a while back someone at Nintendo saying its not possible to upscale original wii games on wii u because there hard coded for only 480i, 480p.
Nintendo is just being lazy butts, it's entirely possible to render them at different resolutions. The only problems that arise are with resizing 2D content, all 3D content can be rendered at any resolution you desire.

For the sake of compatibility with titles that use 2D extensively (and for saving precious time that could be used for farting into their seat cushions) such features are dropped by programmers.
 

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vWii only gives the game as much resources as, well, a Wii. If we can port Dolphin to the Wii U, we can utilize its features such as improved graphics and speed as well as GamePad and Wii U Pro Controller support.

I got this idea from Devolution, which runs GC games in Wii mode on Wii consoles.

Honestly, I would be happy with just having the ability to display Wii games on an HDMI cable as good as it looks on a component cable. Upscaling would be nice, but here's what I have to do to play Wii games (and not get a headache playing them due to image distortions)

1.) Disconnect component cable from Wii and plug it into Wii U. (with HDMI still plugged in)
2.) Go to system settings and change connection type to non-HDMI at 480p
3) Change input type to Component on remote.
4.) Go to vWii and load game.

Even then, the games don't look as good as they do on the Wii. Then of course, I have to go back into it and change to HDMI 1080p when I want to play a Wii U game or it doesn't look as good, and since I also play Gamecube games on the Wii (not the Wii U, don't like the options in place) I have to switch back and forth.

If we could just have the ability to make the Wii games look at least as good (or bad, depending on opinion) as they looked on the Wii it would be an improvement.

Of course, if it would be possible to upscale to 1080p HD I would love it, especially since the new 4K flat screens can natively upscale from 1080p to 4k which could potentially mean playing old Wii games at amazing resolutions. For that ability, and the ability to play upscaled Gamecube games to the same level, I would happily pay for a hard mod to accomplish whatever is lacking from within the console itself.
 
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Honestly, I would be happy with just having the ability to display Wii games on an HDMI cable as good as it looks on a component cable. Upscaling would be nice, but here's what I have to do to play Wii games (and not get a headache playing them due to image distortions)

1.) Disconnect component cable from Wii and plug it into Wii U. (with HDMI still plugged in)
2.) Go to system settings and change connection type to non-HDMI at 480p
3) Change input type to Component on remote.
4.) Go to vWii and load game.

Even then, the games don't look as good as they do on the Wii. Then of course, I have to go back into it and change to HDMI 1080p when I want to play a Wii U game or it doesn't look as good, and since I also play Gamecube games on the Wii (not the Wii U, don't like the options in place) I have to switch back and forth.

If we could just have the ability to make the Wii games look at least as good (or bad, depending on opinion) as they looked on the Wii it would be an improvement.

Of course, if it would be possible to upscale to 1080p HD I would love it, especially since the new 4K flat screens can natively upscale from 1080p to 4k which could potentially mean playing old Wii games at amazing resolutions. For that ability, and the ability to play upscaled Gamecube games to the same level, I would happily pay for a hard mod to accomplish whatever is lacking from within the console itself.

vWii is already up-scaled to 1080p
 

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When we have kernel mode code execution, we could modify the IOSU to have a modded vWii that loads Wii games in native 1080p, but for that we need to have all the Wii U hardware in vWii, it's to early to think about this.

EDIT: We also need to edit the Cafe2Wii process.

EDIT2: Maybe the Wii U have some IOSU for vWii things, like vWii has a vIOS to execute Wii U mode.
 
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Honestly, I would be happy with just having the ability to display Wii games on an HDMI cable as good as it looks on a component cable. Upscaling would be nice, but here's what I have to do to play Wii games (and not get a headache playing them due to image distortions)

1.) Disconnect component cable from Wii and plug it into Wii U. (with HDMI still plugged in)
2.) Go to system settings and change connection type to non-HDMI at 480p
3) Change input type to Component on remote.
4.) Go to vWii and load game.

Even then, the games don't look as good as they do on the Wii. Then of course, I have to go back into it and change to HDMI 1080p when I want to play a Wii U game or it doesn't look as good, and since I also play Gamecube games on the Wii (not the Wii U, don't like the options in place) I have to switch back and forth.

If we could just have the ability to make the Wii games look at least as good (or bad, depending on opinion) as they looked on the Wii it would be an improvement.

Of course, if it would be possible to upscale to 1080p HD I would love it, especially since the new 4K flat screens can natively upscale from 1080p to 4k which could potentially mean playing old Wii games at amazing resolutions. For that ability, and the ability to play upscaled Gamecube games to the same level, I would happily pay for a hard mod to accomplish whatever is lacking from within the console itself.

What on earth. Am I missing something?

The WiiU already plays Wii games over HDMI upscaled to 1080p. Why are you switching cables?
 

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vWii is already up-scaled to 1080p

No it's not, at least not officially. Is there a project that did that? Because I just spoke with Nintendo on the phone a few hours about the issue and they confirmed that there isn't any upscaling.

What on earth. Am I missing something?

The WiiU already plays Wii games over HDMI upscaled to 1080p. Why are you switching cables?

It's not upscaled, and the images look very blocky and pixelated under any resolution setting (even 480p) unless I am using a component cable and in that scenario only am I able to get an image almost as good as it looks on the Wii.

Unless by "upscale" you mean "downscale so bad that you can't see character faces"
 

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No it's not, at least not officially. Is there a project that did that? Because I just spoke with Nintendo on the phone a few hours about the issue and they confirmed that there isn't any upscaling.



It's not upscaled, and the images look very blocky and pixelated under any resolution setting (even 480p) unless I am using a component cable and in that scenario only am I able to get an image almost as good as it looks on the Wii.

Unless by "upscale" you mean "downscale so bad that you can't see character faces"

You're wrong, the Wii U UPSCALE the games, exept the PAL one, read this http://www.computerandvideogames.com/379590/wii-u-upscales-original-wii-games-to-hd/
or this http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-wii-u-backwards-compatibility-analysis.
I can confirm too, the Wii U shows games in 1080p, but they are more jagged, my TV it says 1080p 60p.
 

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It is rendered at 480p then resized to 1080p. No post processing/smoothing filter was applied. You could force 480p output, which will then be up to TV's job to resize and apply any potential filter to it.
 

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It is rendered at 480p then resized to 1080p. No post processing/smoothing filter was applied. You could force 480p output, which will then be up to TV's job to resize and apply any potential filter to it.

Yeah, that's why I want a Smart TV that makes the jaggies less noticiable, my current TV is a horrible thing.
 

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If you want Wii and Gamecube games at a higher resolution than you can get natively from the console, you can either build a nice PC to run dolphin and run the games at a higher internal resolution, or you can get an upscaler like the xrgb-mini.
 

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