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<blockquote data-quote="FAST6191" data-source="post: 1664675" data-attributes="member: 32303"><p>Just finished watching the "Chip Reverse Engineering" ( <a href="http://events.ccc.de/congress/2008/Fahrplan/events/2896.en.html" target="_blank">http://events.ccc.de/congress/2008/Fahrpla...ts/2896.en.html</a> ) and I was greatly impressed, they assumed a bit too much base knowledge about polishing, chip manufacture/semiconductor fabrication and imaging for my liking but given that is my area (I have literally spent hundreds of hours polishing materials of every type and enough time in the other two) all was good.</p><p></p><p>I have to say though that would be my ideal job if I went and pursued the electrical side of things a bit more, from what I am seeing it looks like they did not spend much on it (focused ion beam is already done in such situations under the guise of scanning electron microscopy but that is getting away from things), I did not think I would see optical recognition used in such a manner for a little while. I will however say some car companies are going to be quaking in their boots as this picks up (electronics on cars are about 15 years behind the times and the markup is so far passed the "taking the piss" level it hurts every time I hear it).</p><p></p><p>Just quickly for those joining us a "65nm chip" refers to the gate length rather than the whole transistor which is a much larger assembly (and what they in the presentation use to reverse engineer).</p><p></p><p>Sidenote if a copy of that presentation I can download should find itself somewhere I would appreciate it, got some people that will want to see it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FAST6191, post: 1664675, member: 32303"] Just finished watching the "Chip Reverse Engineering" ( [url=http://events.ccc.de/congress/2008/Fahrplan/events/2896.en.html]http://events.ccc.de/congress/2008/Fahrpla...ts/2896.en.html[/url] ) and I was greatly impressed, they assumed a bit too much base knowledge about polishing, chip manufacture/semiconductor fabrication and imaging for my liking but given that is my area (I have literally spent hundreds of hours polishing materials of every type and enough time in the other two) all was good. I have to say though that would be my ideal job if I went and pursued the electrical side of things a bit more, from what I am seeing it looks like they did not spend much on it (focused ion beam is already done in such situations under the guise of scanning electron microscopy but that is getting away from things), I did not think I would see optical recognition used in such a manner for a little while. I will however say some car companies are going to be quaking in their boots as this picks up (electronics on cars are about 15 years behind the times and the markup is so far passed the "taking the piss" level it hurts every time I hear it). Just quickly for those joining us a "65nm chip" refers to the gate length rather than the whole transistor which is a much larger assembly (and what they in the presentation use to reverse engineer). Sidenote if a copy of that presentation I can download should find itself somewhere I would appreciate it, got some people that will want to see it. [/QUOTE]
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