Hacking [WIP] open source Kernel access on 3DS

[Idaho]

This talk belongs more in the KARL thread. KARL will be completely closed-source and protected against RE from the ARM9 stage on out. Nobody is going to 'take our code to the next level', we're not dumb enough to not protect against that.

Other questions: Bootstrap lets you run whatever code you want on ARM9. You could make a nice decryptor or NAND dumper right this second if you wanted to, everything is public and ready for consumption. And firmlaunch-hax is... already public? How else do you think we're running ARM9 code?

Not enabling piracy is a thing but adding security to protect from RE is another thing, I think it's a waste of time for both, you (who'll have to work on some additional relevant security to add to your work) and less focus on the work itself and for the community (who's waiting for a release)...

And let's not be blind, if RE on your work needs to be done to achieve piracy on the 3DS, it'll be done whatever you guys do.

 

[WulfyStylez]

Not enabling piracy is a thing but adding security to protect from RE is another thing, I think it's a waste of time for both, you (who'll have to work on some additional relevant security to add to your work) and less focus on the work itself and for the community (who's waiting for a release)...

And let's not be blind, if RE on your work needs to be done to achieve piracy on the 3DS, it'll be done whatever you guys do.

It's really cute that people think adding obfuscation to our work is, well, work. Consider that it's fun for us? And I want to make this incredibly clear: RE on our work isn't necessary to achieve piracy on the 3DS. Gateway has almost zero obfuscation on their work, and nobody's made it into their own warez loader publicly. Why's that?

Aaagh shit though, I actually didn't realize I just posted this response in the OSKA thread. I'll clear out of here, sorry about that.

 

[shinyquagsire23]

And let's not be blind, if RE on your work needs to be done to achieve piracy on the 3DS, it'll be done whatever you guys do.

Then why hasn't GW's launcher been reversed and made able to freely pirate for as long as it has existed? Or yellows8's CFW ported to 9.5?

 

[Xenon Hacks]

Then why hasn't GW's launcher been reversed and made able to freely pirate for as long as it has existed? Or yellows8's CFW ported to 9.5?

According to the logic of the guy above you it "wouldn't be fun"

 

[WulfyStylez]

According to the logic of the guy above you it "wouldn't be fun"

*girl, and why wouldn't it be fun?

 

[Idaho]

It's really cute that people think adding obfuscation to our work is, well, work. Consider that it's fun for us?

Imo anything security related is boring when it comes to computing, I only focus on the features, but yeah why not, you might find this amusing, it's just odd to me that creating security can be interesting in any way.

Then why hasn't GW's launcher been reversed and made able to freely pirate for as long as it has existed? Or yellows8's CFW ported to 9.5?

Hmm yeah that's true, I don't really understand why (might be because of the lack of public information & documentation) but we're getting closer and closer to this everyday, we might have it one day, I expect warez without flashcarts for 3DS in around 3 or 4 months, I'm not a dev or an electronic expert, I'm just an enthusiast user but I think my estimation is fair...

Don't take it personally though, I like your work on KARL, I think it's groundbreaking and it's really helping the community, I'm really excited to see about it, but I'm a pirate and once another solution enabling warez emerges I'll stop using KARL, for now I'm using a Gateway but I don't find this solution very convenient I just hope the community can come with something better than this, also I think it's a bit sad that we let some guys make money on something that some people from the community can make for free.

It's nothing like the old DS flashcarts, those were pretty mandatory to hack the console as the hacking method relied on them and they were pretty convenient anyway, on the 3DS the matter is quite different, flashcarts are not convenient nor mandatory to use and I thought the 3DS scene could go relatively free of people trying to make money out of it whereas it's not necessary.

I think the piracy debate is a waste of time that could be focused on more interesting things, whatever must happen will happen, you can only slow the process, that's it...

 

[WhoAmI?]

I personally don't care for piracy as I just want homebrew and customisation over my console. "System level access" would be nice as it's pretty much a must, just like rooting an Android device.

I hope both project's succeed (KARL and OSKA), the devs can add all the anti-piracy things they want as long as I have homebrew, and emuNAND (so I can update my console without worrying about losing homebrew capability).

I don't own a Gateway and I don't intend to - I'd rather have a physical copy of a game and not worry about being banned or having to mess around with game-headers. I like things as simple as I can. I wish I knew how to RE though... If I did, I would've tried REing Gateways Launcher.dat, ages ago - just remove the checks for their dumb card and be done with it.

 

[w0dash]

I have made some launch icons:

 

[williamcesar2]

It's really cute that people think adding obfuscation to our work is, well, work. Consider that it's fun for us? And I want to make this incredibly clear: RE on our work isn't necessary to achieve piracy on the 3DS. Gateway has almost zero obfuscation on their work, and nobody's made it into their own warez loader publicly. Why's that?

Aaagh shit though, I actually didn't realize I just posted this response in the OSKA thread. I'll clear out of here, sorry about that.

Bye Bye !!!

 

[gamesquest1]

Imo anything security related is boring when it comes to computing, I only focus on the features, but yeah why not, you might find this amusing, it's just odd to me that creating security can be interesting in any way.

anything can be fun if someone enjoys it, but the simple fact is most of the time its for the challenge, they know people will want to reverse their code so they are testing themselves to see how secure they can make it...you know for fun/ the challenge.........maybe the actual enjoyment will be seeing if anyone can solve it, lots of people like making riddles/puzzles, its a similar concept

 

[codychaosx]

hate that i have to block a key dev in all this because theyre cocky and annoying as hell. every post she makes is condescending and aggressive. oh well. hopefully you nicer folks will keep me filled in

 

[Rhokk222]

so as far as illegal .cia files go are we at that stage where all we need is someone smart and willing to take karl to the next level?

This talk belongs more in the KARL thread.

codychaosx said "illegal cia files" which is referring to piracy. I'm pretty sure that "piracy" talk in the KARL thread got to the point where it isn't allowed any longer. Which is why you see so much activity in this thread, where another CFW is being attempted.

 

[173210]

I can't still use ninjhax.
I started porting ninjhax to 4.5.0-10, but I can't get needed files because NCCH decryptor won't work fine.
Can anyone decrypt Cubic Ninja?

 

[Apache Thunder]

I can't still use ninjhax.
I started porting ninjhax to 4.5.0-10, but I can't get needed files because NCCH decryptor won't work fine.
Can anyone decrypt Cubic Ninja?

Have you tried decrypting it using rxtools?

You can dump your game using the gateway launcher. (should work even if you don't own a Gateway) and then immediately go back to rxTools and decrypt it. rxTools decrypts the rom on the 3DS for you so you don't have to use xorpads.

 

[gudenau]

I will look into getting the missing offsets as soon as I can! (Wish me luck. ;-) )

 

[173210]

Have you tried decrypting it using rxtools?

You can dump your game using the gateway launcher. (should work even if you don't own a Gateway) and then immediately go back to rxTools and decrypt it. rxTools decrypts the rom on the 3DS for you so you don't have to use xorpads.

That's really nice! It works fine!

 

[Apache Thunder]

Good. Hopefully you'll get this stuff figured out. My copy of Cubic Ninja arrives tomorrow or the day after (depending on how lazy my mail carrier decides to be. ). So I will have something I can run this with.

 

[aliak11]

I can't still use ninjhax.
I started porting ninjhax to 4.5.0-10, but I can't get needed files because NCCH decryptor won't work fine.
Can anyone decrypt Cubic Ninja?

Try this. https://i.imgur.com/HSr6MVw.png. Ninjhax will crash if you use the wrong version.

 

[gudenau]

Then why hasn't GW's launcher been reversed and made able to freely pirate for as long as it has existed? Or yellows8's CFW ported to 9.5?

I am going to do that, I have little time though...

 

[Margen67]

I am going to do that, I have little time though...

are you going to make a yt video then never release it by any chance

Seriously though, if you are really making a cfw, good luck