Lord Kanti said:
you bring asmile to my face....
I dont want to dig through threads so here we go... YOU STATED that the bible has no merit because it is abible and based off religion. I STATED that the bible has the 10 commandments and that laws according to these commandments exist TODAY..
i then said, if laws that coinside with religion are wrong then abolishthose laws and see what is left over.....
I NEVER brought the bible up as a weapon against gay marriage so dont label me abible thumping fool.
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IF any one here has taken Soc 16 (marriage and the family) or child development, and actually paid attention, he or she would know that the best environment for a child is witha mother and father.
Plain and Simple... I listed my sources and so far no one here can do the same. Call me names and twist what I have said but untill you can at least find a legitiamate source disregarding what is taught in regards to sociology, child development and psycology, then really you have no merit.
Not only have I posted sources I have taken several classes and read several books that use several sources that all state that a father and mother is the best for a child, I am an educator in the field, and a parent.
I wrote a paper on video games, and by that remark I was informing you taht by writing that paper I have used up my option to write on gay marriage and post my findings. had I chosen gay marriage beforehand my findings would be posted on page 1 of this discussion. I do not have the time to do a free research paper for you. if you are too lazy to check my sources do not use your ignorance as validity to your claim.
One more thing: I don't spell check, get over it.
Ok, now this is something we can work with.
Ok first of all - 10 commandments. Most of these are common for any society. Do not steal. Don't kill people. Pretty basic stuff. It sounds to me like you're claiming that these laws actually came from the Bible. And just to be clear are we talking about the 10 commandments from Deuteronomy or Exodus? Have you even read them? If our laws came from the Bible, where are laws about keeping the Sabbath? Not worshipping false idols? Where is the punishment for the 3rd and 4th generations of children who reject God as their saviour?
Or could it be possible that law and morality comes from social norms and not from the Bible at all? I know your main argument is about society, so let's forget about your idiotic " if laws that coinside with religion are wrong then abolishthose laws and see what is left over....." comment.
Ok so you're trying to gain favour in your opinion because you've taken a high school class on society, because you're an "educator" and a parent? There are lots of parents, lots of people who have been to high school and they all have different opinions from you. These facts hold no sway in what you're trying to argue.
Now, you seem to be so caught up in providing sources, so to please you, I'll post a link
here.
Now, does that make my opinion any more valid? No.
So let's get down to it:
I have a lot of opinions on why a gay couple should be able to marry - the big one being the 'loved about to die in hospital, but partner not being able to enter the room argument'. But I think your main concern is gay parenting.
I'm not going to post any sources, because frankly this is all pretty logical. If I post sources, you're not going to look at them. If you're really interested all you have to do is go to google.com.
- Gays cannot have kids naturally. Therefore if they want a child, they need to plan ahead, and probably jump through all kinds of hoops in the adoption process. Any man and woman, no matter their psychological state, criminal record, income, or ability to raise kids can have a child. Try to think in extremes. Who would be a better parent? A poor, redneck woman and her criminal husband who will be put in jail just before the child is born, or a rich gay couple who have saved money, planned to adopt for a long time, have researched child psychology and everything they will need to do to ensure the welfare of their child?
A man and woman is always better? Really?
- What about from the perspective of a troubled child who no one would otherwise adopt? Is that child really better going from foster home to foster home, getting involved in drugs and crime. He could've had a home with a willing gay couple, but the law prevented it.
- From the perspective of society: Are we really better off to continue persecuting people just like we have done to other races and religions? Homosexual relationships have worked in other societies such as ancient Greece, Roman and Japan. How about the Spartans? (You MUST have learned about this in your classes. This is basic stuff.) Wouldn't it be better if we stopped interfering in other people's lives and concentrated on more important things, like the environment, international relations and technology?
- You must also know that the world population is growing. By 2040 we're going to have over 10 billion people on the planet. We need to reduce birth rates. Wouldn't you say the homosexual relationship is ideal for this? Even better than a couple producing only producing 1 offspring, they would be reducing the population of unwanted children every time they adopted.
- As you probably know, children will be teased for just about anything at school. If it's not a gay parent, it will be something else. People have been harassed and even murdered for being the wrong race or religion too. You are one of those people now. Your inability to see that society needs to change, not that children need to be protected from being teased, or not following the standard family structure is just plain wrong.
- If you are against anything that isn't the normal family structure, are you saying that a family with just one parent should be illegal too? If one parent dies, should the other parent have to give up the child? What if an aunt or uncle of the same sex helps raise the child? Would you make that illegal?
Sure, maybe the optimal circumstance for a child is to be with a wealthy, white, non-religious mother and father living in a nice house with a dog. But guess what? The world isn't that simple.
Gay marriage is just as legitimate as any other union. Gay marriage shows a progression of society. If you're against gay marriage then you might as be against inter-racial marriage, women voting and the right for a woman to be able to have a legal abortion.