US Senate panel passes bill against piracy websites

[GundamXXX]

cool I'm going to check it out. What our government is doing by writing legislation for big companies in return for big donations is what the fascists did. It how Hitler bank rolled his rise to power. He had the bankers, big corporations like hugo boss, krup, bmw and vw

Yes.... VW was a banker for Hitler because its not like he ordered teh creation of Volkwagen, which means Peoplescar, to give the mundane people an affordable car. O wait.... it is so shush



Either way this is very much the top achievement of capitalism. Not only do companies do everything for profit but also the government under which they are ruled. Call it stateism if you like, in the end its just being corrupt in my opinion.

This is ridicilous aswell, giving the US power over websites internationally? Ok no worries Ill make my own country and give myself power over foreign natural resources... yea cuz thatll work.
Stupidly enough no one will argue this point on political level and only us common people will complain about it.

I hope the other bigger nations, think EU China Russia England/Australia and Canada, will protest against this but I highly doubt it sadly enough.
Im thinking capatalistic empire here

 

[playallday]

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[Salax]

Somebody just needs to come up with a list of contraband IP addresses, then we can patch our hosts files and be set.

 

[Rydian]

I'm going to just trim this to the relevant sections to save visual space.
[*]What makes a site a piracy site according to the bill?
‘Sec. 2324. Internet sites dedicated to infringing activities
an Internet site is ‘dedicated to infringing activities’ if such site
is
primarily designed, has no demonstrable, commercially significant purpose or use other than, or is marketed by its operator, or by a person acting in concert with the operator, to offer
goods or services in violation of title 17, United States Code, or enable or facilitate a violation of title 17, United States Code
engaged in the activities described in subparagraph (A), and when taken together, such activities are central to the activity of the Internet site or sites accessed through a specific domain name.[/p]Say goodbye to rapidshare, mediafire, hotfile, and pretty much all other file hosting sites people go to for pirated materials. Also pretty much every torrent site. And the sites of all filesharing programs/networks. If youtube wasn't so anal about removing videos they'd risk removal as well with the way these terms are worded.


[*]What happens when somebody files a claim against you?
‘(b) Injunctive Relief
the court may issue a temporary restraining order, a preliminary injunction, or an injunction against the domain name used by an Internet site dedicated to infringing activities to cease and desist from undertaking any infringing activity in violation of this section, in accordance with rule 65 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. A party described in subsection (e) receiving an order issued pursuant to this section shall take the appropriate actions described in subsection (e).[/p]So they can punish you if you're even accused of piracy. Well, at least you'll get SOME warning...


[*]Wait, what's this "rule 65" they mention?
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule65.htm
(b) Temporary Restraining Order.
(1) Issuing Without Notice.
The court may issue a temporary restraining order without written or oral notice to the adverse party or its attorney only if:
(A) specific facts in an affidavit or a verified complaint clearly show that immediate and irreparable injury, loss, or damage will result to the movant before the adverse party can be heard in opposition; and
(B) the movant's attorney certifies in writing any efforts made to give notice and the reasons why it should not be required. [/p]Okay, so they have the ability to have action taken against you even if you're just accused of piracy, with no prior warning to you...


[*]Well, what exactly is the action they take?
(e) Service of Court Order-
‘(1) DOMESTIC DOMAINS- In an in rem action to which subsection (d)(1) applies, the Attorney General shall serve any court order issued pursuant to this section on the domain name registrar or, if the domain name registrar is not located within the United States, upon the registry. Upon receipt of such order, the domain name registrar or domain name registry shall suspend operation of, and lock, the domain name.[/p]And when you're accused of something they remove your domain from US access, without having to give you any warning.


[*]Okay well, the ISPs can just refuse to blacklist it, right?
‘(g) Enforcement of Orders- In order to compel compliance with this section, the Attorney General may bring an action against any party receiving a court order issued pursuant to this section that willfully or persistently fails to comply with such order. A showing by the defending party in such action that it does not have the technical means to comply with this section shall serve as a complete defense to such action.[/p]Okay, the ISP is forced to by the court or they'll be in trouble...


[*]Well what if it's a mistake?
‘(3) REMOVAL FROM LIST- The Attorney General shall establish and publish procedures for the owner or operator of a domain name appearing on the list established under paragraph (1) to petition the Attorney General to remove such domain name from the list based on any of the factors described under subsection (h)(1)(B).[/p]So you'd need to petition the Attorney General... THE Attorney General? A single man? Yes, Eric Holder (current holder of that position). You have to convince Eric Holder to remove your site from the list because somebody didn't like you and filed a complaint to get your site removed.



No. Fuck this shit.

I would have gotten into this earlier, but I'm sick today and didn't feel like doing a bunch of legal reading.

 

[shadow1w2]

Right now the current senate is just trying to pass and spend as many outrageous things just to give the newly voted ones a hard time.

This bill gives the government so much power its just out right perpostorous.

I have a good feeling that this thing will get repealed before it ever has a chance of being enforced along with many other power grab nonsense bills.
Pretty much one of many unconstitutional BS bills going around to give the next guys are hard time.

Best to keep a close eye on it though, you never know what they'll try to pass against the peoples wishes.

 

[mkoo]

And now is when I check housing prices in Canada XD

A government trying to shut down illegal activities =/= the end of democracy.

It seems like with EVERY anti-piracy thing people think the government is trying to ruin society and result to a dictatorship or something like that. Honestly, as a pirate, you need to realize what you're doing is illegal and that there are gonna be measures taken over time to try and stop that. It's like complaining that a cop stopped you from stealing an old lady's purse (and don't pull out the "piracy isn't stealing" thing, I'm simply using a metaphor to equate one crime to another). As a pirate I realize what I do is illegal and not exactly ethical but I do it because I like free stuff and don't really care about the moral implications. They have all rights to try and stop me from pirating provided it doesn't resort to the violation of basic liberties.

Sure it isn't. But it's a matter of priority.
I mean seriously what's with the USA and Copyrights. It seems all of your culture is based on intellectual property.
May be that's what defines a developed nation and you're right

 

[antwill]

Well at least the Americans will stop with all the "Haha Australia had an internet filter proposed" now. Because ours at least doesn't even have a chance of passing.

It makes no sense why you all only start to complain now, after all the stuff at the airport, and all the wiretapping. And now of all times when they mess with your pirating you all get up in arms?!

 

[DSGamer64]

America once again trying to be the world's police force it seems. Yeah, good luck trying to take down websites based in other countries, you don't have the legal authority or jurisdiction to do it.

 

[MelodieOctavia]

hmmmm he US is gonna turn into what it once feared a communist country
This is nothing to with with communism - in fact it is the complete opposite. This is the inevitable conclusion under a capitalistic system.


QUOTE(Guild McCommunist @ Nov 19 2010, 12:54 AM) What are you talking about? The bill is meant to stop sites that sell BOOTLEGS and other PIRATED GOODS.

Read it again - it also mentions "counterfeit" pharmaceuticals. Generic versions of branded drugs that for many are life-savers. They can't afford (or the branded version simply isn't marketed where they live) the branded version and use generic.

with every 1 site that sells the actual drug there are 10 more that sell sugar pills.

 

[ProtoKun7]

Doesn't affect backups, just people that take peoples' ROM hacks and burn them to a blank cartridge and sell them.

Since when do you burn things to a cartridge?

 

[stanleyopar2000]

hmmmm he US is gonna turn into what it once feared a communist country

NEWS FLASH.

we almost are already are!!!

 

[MelodieOctavia]

hmmmm he US is gonna turn into what it once feared a communist country

NEWS FLASH.

we almost are already are!!!

I love how people shout communism and socialism when they don't know what the fuck it means.

Durr Communism = bad, so US = communism derp derp.

 

[Midna]

Jesus Christ, what’s wrong with you? Can’t you people read? This bill does NOT allow the US to take down foreign websites. Read the bloody article. The will have the authority to ban American ISPs and Ad companies (And in that, the citizens as well,) from accessing the site. Yes, all in all, the complete removal of all US support could bring down some foreign sites. But that’s a very different thing from the US government having power over foreign resources. So stop bitching. Sure, it’s against the Constitution and all, it's an easily manipulatible system and could easily be abused to stop information the government doesn’t like from being accessed, but it’s not an international crime.

 

[Rydian]

Just got this in an e-mail, you can google and confirm (via many other forums) it was sent out from the demandprogress mailing list.

George -- big news! Yesterday the Senate Judiciary Committee voted unanimously to send the Internet blacklist bill to the full Senate, but it was quickly stopped by Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) who denounced it as "a bunker-buster cluster bomb" aimed at the Internet and pledged to "do everything I can to take the necessary steps to stop it from passing the U.S. Senate."

Wyden's opposition practically guarantees the bill is dead this year -- and next year the new Congress will have to reintroduce the bill and start all over again. But even that might not happen: Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Hollywood's own senator, told the committee that even she was uncomfortable with the Internet censorship portion of the bill and hoped it could be removed when they took it up again next year!

This is incredible -- and all thanks to you. Just a month ago, the Senate was planning to pass this bill unanimously; now even the senator from Hollywood is backing away from it. But this fight is far from over -- next year, there's going to be hearings, negotiations, and even more crucial votes. We need to be there, continuing to fight.

EDIT: Here's the headers just in case you want to verify.

 

[George Dawes]

with every 1 site that sells the actual drug there are 10 more that sell sugar pills.

So deal with them - there are already laws in place to deal with that kind of deception. Even saying that, I've never been sold "sugar pills" on the net before.

 

[MelodieOctavia]

with every 1 site that sells the actual drug there are 10 more that sell sugar pills.

So deal with them - there are already laws in place to deal with that kind of deception. Even saying that, I've never been sold "sugar pills" on the net before.

The "laws" put in place state that you can only get prescription pills BY PRESCRIPTION and only by a licensed pharmacy.

 

[nando]

with every 1 site that sells the actual drug there are 10 more that sell sugar pills.

So deal with them - there are already laws in place to deal with that kind of deception. Even saying that, I've never been sold "sugar pills" on the net before.

The "laws" put in place state that you can only get prescription pills BY PRESCRIPTION and only by a licensed pharmacy.

plus a good 40 percent of generics are made by the big brands, they do that to compete with generics.

 

[Uncle FEFL]

hmmmm he US is gonna turn into what it once feared a communist country

I was thinking the same thing. We used to make fun of all the east German and soviet surveillance. Now they're digitally strip searching us and feeling our balls at the air port. Deciding what web sites we can see like China. Putting video cameras all over city. It defiantly feels like the overbearing communism that the world fought for so long.

I don't think you know what communism is.

 

[monkat]

hmmmm he US is gonna turn into what it once feared a communist country

I was thinking the same thing. We used to make fun of all the east German and soviet surveillance. Now they're digitally strip searching us and feeling our balls at the air port. Deciding what web sites we can see like China. Putting video cameras all over city. It defiantly feels like the overbearing communism that the world fought for so long.

I don't think you know what communism is.

QFT

 

[GundamXXX]

About the whole generic medicine, you do realize that its not only individuals who buy it online because they cant afford the brand ones that are screwed right? Pharmacies also buy this stuff "online" only in bulk and from trusted sources, but it can still fall under this ridicilous law

"No good sir, you cant give cheap medicine, that does the except same as the expansive ones, to the poor who cant afford it otherwise. You have to leave them in pain and suffering untill they die ok? You dont agree? Ok Ill have you arrested."

Man I hate America -_-