Trump: Don't let Coronavirus dominate you.

[VartioArtel]

The fact that Trump continues to try to downplay Covid is why America continues to have the highest rate of infected.

No, the reason America has the highest rate of infected is because of the fact we have the absolute worst healthcare system (that actually works/exists) in the world. We make people afraid as F to take precautionary visits to the hospital for their own health. Also, excluding China (which has a cubic fuckton of problems including intentionally hiding the # of infected), America is perhaps the country with the most high-density population centers in the world, which makes spread infinitely easier.

The real problem with the U.S. is our healthcare system is ultimately ass. We charge a leg just to have a check up to ensure we aren't sick. We charge two arms for medicine that might not even work because the drugs are basically on auction to the doctors - whoever pays the hospital/doctors more gets the higher chance of being the medicine they default to suggesting (I would know - I went through hoops as a child over some meds I needed). We've made a business out of people's health - out of keeping people alive - and that's atrocious. People's health should be a basic right, instead we need to pay exorbitant fees for it. Healthcare is, in practice, the problem with capitalism, and one of the FEW sectors of our society I wholly believe a more socialistic function should exist - same as Police and Firefighters.

Were there less fighting over money and the sort for medicine, the doctors could focus more on actually aiding/saving lives. And as a result of this, Americans are hesitant to get tested for diseases that Covid may latch onto that cause its fatality rate (and rate of crippling individuals afterwords). That's where the majority of the deaths TRULY come from.

And as for contraction, even to this day the WHO and CDC can't figure out the fuck Covid really does, and continue to swap their opinion about how it works literally every other frickin' week to month, give or take. If you honestly think most people make their decisions about Covid BECAUSE of Trump, and not because that's their inherent behavior/mentality, you sincerely underrate the stupidity of the human race.

Edit: And like Gregory said: The management on Covid's on a state level. There's only so much Trump could do when he has people who intentionally go against EVERYTHING he decides, almost violently, just to oppose him as a fascist. Hell, let's be honest with ourselves, IF TRUMP DID SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRY TO PREVENT A COVID INFLOW, they'd just call him a fascist anyhow for it!

 

[emigre]

I just love his message which is the complete opposite of the media.

I agree, I'm going to stop wearing a mask and social distance cos gotta break a few eggs for that freedom omelette...

 

[gregory-samba]

That's really not the point of my post, but ok

LOL ... *swoosh* .... You can't blame Trump if he's not the one making the policies.

 

[The Catboy]

No, the reason America has the highest rate of infected is because of the fact we have the absolute worst healthcare system (that actually works/exists) in the world. We make people afraid as F to take precautionary visits to the hospital for their own health. Also, excluding China (which has a cubic fuckton of problems including intentionally hiding the # of infected), America is perhaps the country with the most high-density population centers in the world, which makes spread infinitely easier.

The real problem with the U.S. is our healthcare system is ultimately ass. We charge a leg just to have a check up to ensure we aren't sick. We charge two arms for medicine that might not even work because the drugs are basically on auction to the doctors - whoever pays the hospital/doctors more gets the higher chance of being the medicine they default to suggesting (I would know - I went through hoops as a child over some meds I needed). We've made a business out of people's health - out of keeping people alive - and that's atrocious. People's health should be a basic right, instead we need to pay exorbitant fees for it. Healthcare is, in practice, the problem with capitalism, and one of the FEW sectors of our society I wholly believe a more socialistic function should exist - same as Police and Firefighters.

Were there less fighting over money and the sort for medicine, the doctors could focus more on actually aiding/saving lives. And as a result of this, Americans are hesitant to get tested for diseases that Covid may latch onto that cause its fatality rate (and rate of crippling individuals afterwords). That's where the majority of the deaths TRULY come from.

And as for contraction, even to this day the WHO and CDC can't figure out the fuck Covid really does, and continue to swap their opinion about how it works literally every other frickin' week to month, give or take. If you honestly think most people make their decisions about Covid BECAUSE of Trump, and not because that's their inherent behavior/mentality, you sincerely underrate the stupidity of the human race.

I am aware that American healthcare is one of the biggest problems with the US. That being said, the point of my post is that Trump's continued downplaying Covid only adds to the problem, and its part of the reason why it's spreading so rapidly in the US. People aren't taking Covid seriously, people aren't practicing social distancing or wearing a mask, people continue to see Covid as something political because of Trump's continued downplaying is a factor that needs to be called out.

 

[crimpshrine]

That's really not the point of my post, but ok

So what is your point? Are you saying because Trump is not afraid of Covid-19 as you are, he is leading to people everywhere in the USA contracting it at a greater rate?

Does he also cause the same for Indian citizens then? They are almost up to our #'s and we test more, so of course we will find more cases.

Remember a large # of people display no symptoms with the virus. That is one reason why it spreads and continues to do so.

 

[The Catboy]

So what is your point? Are you saying because Trump is not afraid of Covid-19 as you are, he is leading to people everywhere in the USA contracting it at a greater rate?

Does he also cause the same for Indian citizens then? They are almost up to our #'s and we test more, so of course we will find more cases.

Remember a large # of people display no symptoms with the virus. That is one reason why it spreads and continues to do so.

I am aware that American healthcare is one of the biggest problems with the US. That being said, the point of my post is that Trump's continued downplaying Covid only adds to the problem, and its part of the reason why it's spreading so rapidly in the US. People aren't taking Covid seriously, people aren't practicing social distancing or wearing a mask, people continue to see Covid as something political because of Trump's continued downplaying is a factor that needs to be called out.

Added note, India has a far more tightly dense population in a far smaller area than the US. Considering the nature of how this virus spreads, it's no shock that India also has a problem with it rabidly spreading.

 

[crimpshrine]

You are basing that off of a feeling then. Data is not backing that up in my opinion.

In MY state based on what I see daily, people are taking it very seriously. I don't ever see people not going into stores masked.

And I am in a state that's positive #'s have stayed steady for months now. Ever since we came out of lock down. They have not changed at all. Same rate basically week after week, month after month.

The mayors/businesses etc take the direction of the governor. Trump has NOTHING to do with that.

But you are saying because Trump personally chooses to not be afraid of that, and reflect that. He is CAUSING more people to get Covid-19 in all states? LOL I don't understand your rationality at all.

The data does not seem to reflect what your feelings tell you.

 

[gregory-samba]

No, the reason America has the highest rate of infected is because of the fact we have the absolute worst healthcare system (that actually works/exists) in the world. We make people afraid as F to take precautionary visits to the hospital for their own health. Also, excluding China (which has a cubic fuckton of problems including intentionally hiding the # of infected), America is perhaps the country with the most high-density population centers in the world, which makes spread infinitely easier.

The real problem with the U.S. is our healthcare system is ultimately ass. We charge a leg just to have a check up to ensure we aren't sick. We charge two arms for medicine that might not even work because the drugs are basically on auction to the doctors - whoever pays the hospital/doctors more gets the higher chance of being the medicine they default to suggesting (I would know - I went through hoops as a child over some meds I needed). We've made a business out of people's health - out of keeping people alive - and that's atrocious. People's health should be a basic right, instead we need to pay exorbitant fees for it. Healthcare is, in practice, the problem with capitalism, and one of the FEW sectors of our society I wholly believe a more socialistic function should exist - same as Police and Firefighters.

Were there less fighting over money and the sort for medicine, the doctors could focus more on actually aiding/saving lives. And as a result of this, Americans are hesitant to get tested for diseases that Covid may latch onto that cause its fatality rate (and rate of crippling individuals afterwords). That's where the majority of the deaths TRULY come from.

And as for contraction, even to this day the WHO and CDC can't figure out the fuck Covid really does, and continue to swap their opinion about how it works literally every other frickin' week to month, give or take. If you honestly think most people make their decisions about Covid BECAUSE of Trump, and not because that's their inherent behavior/mentality, you sincerely underrate the stupidity of the human race.

Edit: And like Gregory said: The management on Covid's on a state level. There's only so much Trump could do when he has people who intentionally go against EVERYTHING he decides, almost violently, just to oppose him as a fascist. Hell, let's be honest with ourselves, IF TRUMP DID SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRY TO PREVENT A COVID INFLOW, they'd just call him a fascist anyhow for it!

The US Health care system is a mess, but I don't believe making it a socialistic system would help. That would just remove the freedom you have to choose what Doctors you see or what operations you can have. What might help would be making rules to making the experience like a stop at the grocery store. You know what you're buying and how much it costs before you decide to buy it. Also getting the prescription prices down would help and it seems that the current administration is pushing to bring prescription drug manufacturing into the USA so we don't have to depend on foreign entities. I do disagree with you that it's a human right. I mean, we have stuff that's actual human rights now and look how much they are policed, regulated and restricted. I like the idea that you must work and have income to afford to pay for medical costs, but if you're disabled or worked all your life then I see no reason to not keep how we have medicaid and medicare now. I would just like if you knew exactly what the costs are when making decisions on what sort of treatment you are after.

 

[VartioArtel]

I am aware that American healthcare is one of the biggest problems with the US. That being said, the point of my post is that Trump's continued downplaying Covid only adds to the problem, and its part of the reason why it's spreading so rapidly in the US. People aren't taking Covid seriously, people aren't practicing social distancing or wearing a mask, people continue to see Covid as something political because of Trump's continued downplaying is a factor that needs to be called out.

HOW did it 'add' to the problem? Do you honestly see anyone actually saying "Well Trump said it's okay so it's okay"? No. You see people CLAIMING people are doing it BECAUSE Trump is downplaying it. There's no evidence, just a lot of finger pointing and conspiracy. And as I've pointed out in ANOTHER topic - the media LOVES its conspiracy theories of all sorts.

People take it not seriously because in the larger scheme it's a not-serious threat. A 1% deathrate is nowhere near the level of threat those people believe is necessary to shut down everything and wear a mask over. The FLU, while less lethal, has a similar infection rate. The Flu's able to kill, why not shut down for it too whenever it's Flu season, is the point of view they make.

End of the day, nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, proves that all these people DON'T wear masks BECAUSE of Trump! At most, maybe a SMALL HANDFUL of those who don't. Don't place blame on Trump what can be blamed on common human belief and/or stupidity.

NOTE: Yes, I wear a mask when I go out. That doesn't mean I don't TRY to understand their point of view.

 

[AkGBA]

The US Health care system is a mess, but I don't believe making it a socialistic system would help. That would just remove the freedom you have to choose what Doctors you see or what operations you can have.

There's a middle ground you know.
I live in a country with universal healthcare, and you can choose the doctor you want, and have the procedures you want/need (if your doctor agrees).

 

[VartioArtel]

There's a middle ground you know.
I live in a country with universal healthcare, and you can choose the doctor you want, and have the procedures you want/need (if your doctor agrees).

See, this is what I mean. A more socialistic healthcare system CAN work. You can work it to a middleground, but a more socialist-style one would NOT hurt, it could only help by removing a degree of the problems in the system.

 

[gregory-samba]

There's a middle ground you know.
I live in a country with universal healthcare, and you can choose the doctor you want, and have the procedures you want/need (if your doctor agrees).

Yeah, but this is the USA. If you think all the greedy fucked up people who run the system now are just going to retire and the new system will be full of people that actually give a shit you're delusional. We'd only be giving more power to the assholes that control things now. Look at things that are actual human rights, like the freedom of speech, assembly and the right to bear arms. There's so many damned restrictions and rules regarding things that are supposed to be free it's insane. I don't think giving the people in control now absolute power over the peoples choices would fix anything.

Liberals - "The government is evil, let's give them more power".

Me - "Yeah, nope".

 

[The Catboy]

HOW did it 'add' to the problem? Do you honestly see anyone actually saying "Well Trump said it's okay so it's okay"? No. You see people CLAIMING people are doing it BECAUSE Trump is downplaying it. There's no evidence, just a lot of finger pointing and conspiracy. And as I've pointed out in ANOTHER topic - the media LOVES its conspiracy theories of all sorts.

People take it not seriously because in the larger scheme it's a not-serious threat. A 1% deathrate is nowhere near the level of threat those people believe is necessary to shut down everything and wear a mask over. The FLU, while less lethal, has a similar infection rate. The Flu's able to kill, why not shut down for it too whenever it's Flu season, is the point of view they make.

End of the day, nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, proves that all these people DON'T wear masks BECAUSE of Trump! At most, maybe a SMALL HANDFUL of those who don't. Don't place blame on Trump what can be blamed on common human belief and/or stupidity.

NOTE: Yes, I wear a mask when I go out. That doesn't mean I don't TRY to understand their point of view.

Actually, yes, yes I do hear people saying shit along those lines. I work in a sales job where I get several people who have told me some conspiracy they either attribute to Trump or is repeated in Conservative circles. Does this reflect everyone? Of course not. These kinds of people are in the minority. That being said, I feel like you might be misinterpreting what I am trying to explain, what I am trying to say is that continuing to downplay the issue plays into why many people downplay COVID. This isn't to say Trump is telling people not to wear a mask but it is to say that Trump pretending COVID isn't a big deal affects people. I am not saying the blame squarely falls on him, I am just saying that he's not helping by downplaying things. I don't think I worded my previous posts very well, so that's something I will own up to. I tend to tackle things from a very emotional direction and get a bit heated at times. That being said, it's not the death rate that's the issue, it's the rapid rate of spread and lack of treatment that is an issue. The flu is pretty well understood and a new vaccine is pretty quickly created every year and or with every new strain. The flu is also understood enough to the point where we do have treatments for it and this is coupled with the lack of long-term side-effects related to catching the flu. COVID, on the other hand, doesn't have this same level of understanding, treatment, nor preventatives beyond social distancing, maskings, and regular cleanliness. There's also the fact that catching COVID comes with an increased risk of long-term side-effects that still aren't fully understood.

 

[gregory-samba]

Actually, yes, yes I do hear people saying shit along those lines. I work in a sales job where I get several people who have told me some conspiracy they either attribute to Trump or is repeated in Conservative circles. Does this reflect everyone? Of course not. These kinds of people are in the minority. That being said, I feel like you might be misinterpreting what I am trying to explain, what I am trying to say is that continuing to downplay the issue plays into why many people downplay COVID. This isn't to say Trump is telling people not to wear a mask but it is to say that Trump pretending COVID isn't a big deal affects people. I am not saying the blame squarely falls on him, I am just saying that he's not helping by downplaying things. I don't think I worded my previous posts very well, so that's something I will own up to. I tend to tackle things from a very emotional direction and get a bit heated at times. That being said, it's not the death rate that's the issue, it's the rapid rate of spread and lack of treatment that is an issue. The flu is pretty well understood and a new vaccine is pretty quickly created every year and or with every new strain. The flu is also understood enough to the point where we do have treatments for it and this is coupled with the lack of long-term side-effects related to catching the flu. COVID, on the other hand, doesn't have this same level of understanding, treatment, nor preventatives beyond social distancing, maskings, and regular cleanliness. There's also the fact that catching COVID comes with an increased risk of long-term side-effects that still aren't fully understood.

Even if I hinged on every one of Trump's words he doesn't have to downplay it because I wasn't concerned about it back in December 2019 and I'm still not concerned. Sure, if there's mask rules I'll either wear one or not enter the place that requires them and maybe I'm washing my hands a little more than normal, but I'm not afraid of COVID19. Taking simple precautions doesn't indicate fear. However, I don't blindly follow anyone and am old enough to know that most leaders will downplay the seriousness of all sorts of fucked up events in an attempt to keep people from panicking. Leaders being leaders like normal is nothing new. I would actually feel sorry for anyone that would blindly follow others, which is why I feel sorry for Liberals.

 

[Rj.MoG]

Yeah, but this is the USA. If you think all the greedy fucked up people who run the system now are just going to retire and the new system will be full of people that actually give a shit you're delusional. We'd only be giving more power to the assholes that control things now. Look at things that are actual human rights, like the freedom of speech, assembly and the right to bear arms. There's so many damned restrictions and rules regarding things that are supposed to be free it's insane. I don't think giving the people in control now absolute power over the peoples choices would fix anything.

Liberals - "The government is evil, let's give them more power".

Me - "Yeah, nope".

Imagine being a complete fucking retard that's never actually worked in government or healthcare and thinking yo know anything. Go fuck yourself

 

[gregory-samba]

Imagine being a complete fucking retard that's never actually worked in government or healthcare and thinking yo know anything. Go fuck yourself

Hey, at least I'm not the one scared of a not-so-deadly virus. Sorry buddy, but the sky isn't falling.

 

[VartioArtel]

This isn't to say Trump is telling people not to wear a mask but it is to say that Trump pretending COVID isn't a big deal affects people.

Because it isn't. As far as 'lethal' viruses go it doesn't even enter the Top 10.

https://ceufast.com/blog/historys-deadliest-viruses-illustrated-to-scale
https://chippenhammed.com/blog/entry/historys-nine-most-contagious-diseases-where-are-they-now

Hell, don't even meet top 15 lethality, at best it's #10 on infection rate. All but maybe 2 of those viruses still exist today. Their mortality rates were FAR WORSE than Corona. Corona literally isn't within the top 10 of either, and some of these like rabies appeared on TWO lists - most lethal AND most contagious. Hell HIV/AIDS had at its peak a FAR higher mortality AND infection rate.

Coronavirus is a small blip in history overblown by panic and absurd actions. It is, quite literally, a joke in the history of major virus threats overblown by panic because nobody understands how it works, and its perceived lethality and infection rates are about as consistent as Donald Trump himself (1%? 2.3%? 6%? Nobody can make up their f'ing mind about the lethality rate).

Again - HIV/AIDs was far worse and yet we never went into lockdown over it. And back then science was worse and less likely to discover ANYTHING about the virus. I don't

I don't buy anyone treating Coronavirus as more than a minor threat, at best, myself.

 

[Rj.MoG]

Hey, at least I'm not the one scared of a not-so-deadly virus. Sorry buddy, but the sky isn't falling.

Oh sorry you’re right and every other expert in the world is wrong. I should’ve know .

 

[gregory-samba]

Oh sorry you’re right and every other expert in the world is wrong. I should’ve know .

Being scared of something is a personal choice. You may not approve or understand why another person is scared of something, but being scared doesn't mean you're right or wrong. The reason you don't hear the voices of the people that are acting within reason and following logic is because the major players on the Internet censor and delete anyone that won't go along with the main stream media's lies. COVID isn't that deadly nor do I worry about catching it. I'm with the people who are willing to infect themselves and test potential vaccines, again, because it's not that deadly. You're free to be scared of and it do whatever it is you want to do. That's the beauty of living in a free country as if I turned into a socialist country you'd no longer have freedom to do what you want to do or say what you want to say.

 

[Rj.MoG]

Being scared of something is a personal choice. You may not approve or understand why another person is scared of something, but being scared doesn't mean you're right or wrong. The reason you don't hear the voices of the people that are acting within reason and following logic is because the major players on the Internet censor and delete anyone that won't go along with the main stream media's lies. COVID isn't that deadly nor do I worry about catching it. I'm with the people who are willing to infect themselves and test potential vaccines, again, because it's not that deadly. You're free to be scared of and it do whatever it is you want to do. That's the beauty of living in a free country as if I turned into a socialist country you'd no longer have freedom to do what you want to do or say what you want to say.

Lol Jesus Christ you fucking jackass. I don’t see how you people really believe this stuff. America ranks pretty low on the freedom index. I don’t think you understand what people mean by “socialism” or even understand our own system of government. I may not agree with the general Democratic Party but if the current leader of this country made the right decisions less Americans would be dead. If people were supportive of science and reason the impact on our economy would’ve been lessened. Things are worse because of the Conservative party. And the “liberals” as you call them are further to the right in America than conservatives elsewhere. Biden is so ridiculously conservative a candidate. It’s upsetting that people like you can be so fucking stupid and think you’re right