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I'm snowed in and bored, so I might as well do this review. It's a little overdue, but it's actually really damn hard to review Pokemon games. I'll go into that later. Anyway, review.

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Okay, for starters, let me say this about Pokemon: It's a love it or hate it thing. If at the moment you're finding Pokemon unenjoyable, it's unenjoyable. You're not wrong at all, it's just that you're on the other side of the fence. There's pretty much no one in between. You either are still in love with the battle formula and mechanics or are sick of them. That's the way it works. So, if you're someone who isn't fond of Pokemon, I suggest that you ignore my review. This isn't a right or wrong thing, it's a huge opinion thing. And that's exactly why it's hard to review. When I review, I try to show both sides of the fence by being "on the fence", per say, but in this situation it's impossible. I'm on the side of the fence that likes Pokemon (not die hard loving, but liking), so I kinda have to show that side. You get what I mean?

Pokemon Gold and Silver are, in my opinion, the best Pokemon games ever. This was at a time before the formula was consider dead for most people and it used it to the best. The games are simply the pinnacle of handheld gaming. It took what Red and Blue did right (which was mostly everything), and made it so much better. 100 new Pokemon, another continent to explore (as well as the old one, something that Pokemon games haven't done since), 16 gym leaders (including the old 8), and tons of push to keep you hooked. It's the reason I owned a GBC and I play those games to death. Now, 10 years later (Gold and Silver were released in 1999 in Japan), GameFreak has finally returned to do good on their new set of remakes (which started in FireRed and LeafGreen). And they've done very well.

Pokemon is pretty much nonexistent with a deep storyline or character development. There's practically none. You're a random boy (or nowadays, or girl) who decides one day to become a Pokemon master. You get a Pokemon, get more Pokemon, beat up trainers, beat up gym leaders, beat up an evil organization, and beat up the Elite 4 and champion. That's it for every game. There's no depth to your character, no touching story of companionship and love, no plot twists, nothing. Yet again, that's the way it's always been and frankly I don't care. The game is entirely driven on gameplay mechanics, and that's how its always worked. I'm not complaining since if you look at the medium you're given, any attempt at a deep storyline would fail and just be subject to more criticism than a nonexistent one. So, the main thing to grade for Presentation is the accuracy of the remake, and it's pretty well done. The fields are very similar in design, but with differences. The gym and trainer rosters are pretty much identical, but revamped with the new set of moves and better levels (which really helps add some challenge to gym leaders who were incredibly underpowered and set with a lame set of moves in the original games). And, like a remake, it incorporates new features that also work well. Better level designs, more side things to do, 4th gen gameplay mechanics, all of which fit snugly with the game. As far as remakes go, it's very well done.

The gameplay is Pokemon. Unless you've been living under a rock in the gaming world, you know how Pokemon is played. 6 Pokemon per team, 4 moves each, turn based battles. It pretty much takes the turn-based formula of other games and simplifies it to great success. No more standard attacks and magical attacks, you now have 4 moves, all of which have a "PP" as to how many times they can be used before your Pokemon is healed. Random battles only take place in areas where you KNOW there will be random battles (aka tall grass, caves, water). Then of course there's the huge emphasis on collecting Pokemon and such. The formula itself is nearly a dead copy of what it was over 10 years ago, with some minor mechanics changed (such as physical vs. special attacks). This is where the whole fence I mentioned before comes up. If you never liked Pokemon's formula or got sick of it, then this isn't going to change your mind. If you're not sick of it and still like the formula, this is just gonna fuel your need for Pokemon. As far as the core mechanics go, they're incredibly solid and have made Pokemon the success it is today. There's a huge emphasis on customization, since you've got hundreds of Pokemon to choose from, each with a huge selection of moves and each with their own pros and cons. There's no one set of Pokemon that is the dead set that every trainer uses. Sure, there are "meta" Pokemon that are common place, but pretty much each team is unique. It's a mechanic that adds a feeling of ownership and pride that not many games can match, and it's what has made Pokemon so successful. As for this game specifically, there's a lot of great features. The most gym leaders of any game, lots of "side quests" (since they're not really quests, just things you can do to get better items/Pokemon), two continents, and nearly 500 Pokemon. HeartGold and SoulSilver are just another great re-incarnation of Pokemon. I do have to admit that the mechanics are getting a little old and in need of some sprucing up, but it's still well done. So, fans of Pokemon will love this, haters will hate it.

Graphics and audio wise, Pokemon has never really been a stunner, since it's very cookie cutter in both categories. The engine is the same as Platinum, so it has the pseudo-3D effects in it. They're not like "OMG THIS IS AMAZING LOOKING", but it finally adds some small graphical edge to Pokemon, and the game itself looks prettier than a lot of DS titles. Personally, Platinum had a better use of the 3-D engine, since it had parts specifically built to show it off, but for taking a 2-D game and adding 3-D effects, they did well. It's still incredibly sprite based, using 2-D Pokemon sprites both in and out of battle, as well 2-D sprites for most other things (trainers, environment, etc). I do think that the sprites are still nice looking and of high quality. The sound itself has nearly 500 different Pokemon cries, as well as some memorable chiptunes. No large orchestras here, but it does do a nice job of revamping some Gold and Silver tunes. Nothing memorable, especially compared to some of the stuff on Platinum's soundtrack (namely the Palkia/Diagla battle on the Spear Pillar, which is quite good), but still fitting. Sound quality is smooth and not grainy and sounds quite good with headphones. Some sound effects, however, are little more than high quality versions of the sounds in Red and Blue, and maybe some changes would be nice. No eye sore or ear bleeder, but nothing that will make you go batshit crazy with ecstasy either.

Overall, HeartGold/SoulSilver is another great Pokemon game, but still is a Pokemon game. If you like Pokemon still, this will be another great game to add to the collection. If you're not too fond of Pokemon, you'll have the same feeling of melancholy and "Boo this is old" as before. It's not a game changer, but it's another great piece of handheld gaming and another great reincarnation of the biggest name in handheld gaming and one of the biggest franchises of all time.

<b>Presentation</b>: Absolutely no story of any quality, but it's never expected. The remake itself is quite accurate to the original Gold and Silver while also incorporating the new battle mechanics and adding some new features that fit like a glove. Menus are nicely mapped to the touchscreen and can be navigated with either the stylus or the D-Pad/face buttons. Nicely laid out. Also, since it uses Platinum's engine, it doesn't suffer the lag that Diamond/Pearl had. <b>8.5/10</b>

<b>Graphics</b>: Pokemon has always been rather simple looking. Sprites, mostly 2-D effects, etc. They do have the 3-D effects that Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum featured, and they do look nice, but they aren't used to great avail, although there's not a whole lot that can happen when remaking a 2-D game into a slightly 3-D world. Sprites are nice and clean looking. Nothing impressive, though. <b>8.5/10</b>

<b>Audio</b>: Some nice revamps of the Gold and Silver chiptunes, but they're still just chiptunes. No huge orchestral soundtrack of anything. Some sound effects are just slightly revamped from those that appeared in the original Red and Blue games. Still, the sound quality is great and it's definitely not displeasing. Some tunes do trigger a nostalgia trip, which does show some nice accuracy. <b>8/10</b>

<b>Gameplay</b>: If you like Pokemon, you'll be overjoyed with this. If you don't like it, you won't be moved by this. It does the Pokemon mechanics very well (as every Pokemon RPG has since) and still features that classic formula. Lots of collection, lots of customization, lots of moves, and lots of Pokemon. It's a formula that's over 10 years old and has hardly changed, but the formula is still as solid as ever. A great reincarnation of Pokemon, but still a reincarnation of Pokemon. <b>9/10</b>

<b>Lasting Appeal</b>: One of the longest RPGs you'll play. Outside of having 16 gym leaders, tons of trainer battles, and the Elite 4 to deal with, there's so much else to do. Nearly 500 Pokemon to collect, lots of side quests, and online battling. Just training your Pokemon to be fit to player to player competition will take a lot of your time. It can easily keep you busy for months and months, and it's great to revisit to battle a friend. A huge slew of online features from Pokemon trading to mini-games, as well as even voice chat for battling friends. I would really enjoy being able to do random battling online, though (or did I miss something?). <b>10/10</b>

Overall: <b>9/10</b>

Again, if you're not a Pokemon game fan, you won't agree with this score. The review more applies to people who still like Pokemon games. <b>Don't flame</b>.

And yes, the gameplay section is a little lame, but it's hard to describe it really.
 

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As always great review...
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I'm kinda in the middle, I enjoy the formula of Pokemon games, but I'm sick of its formula at the same time.
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Rockstar said:
Im just sick of the story being so generic.

Well, it's Pokemon, can you ever expect a deep storyline? I mean, just look at the medium. It's like trying to draw the Mona Lisa with water. It's not gonna come out real well. I just can never see anything deep involving Pokemon and it would be uncharacteristic for Pokemon to have a deep storyline.

For me, since I find most RPG games to actually have pretty lame storylines, it's not a problem to me.
 

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Nice review! This actually made me pretty psyched for the English release of these games. Gold was always my favorite back in the day, mainly for the reasons listed here.

I hope this doesn't constitute advertising, but if you want random online battles, there's a computer program called Shoddy Battle, you can make an account and battle online. It's not quite authentic, but I prefer it because you can really tweak all your pokemon (something that, when left to breeding would literally take thousands of years) and battles are more streamlined. It's really fun and competitive!
 
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I agree with your rating. I especially liked how they updated the graphics in Pokemon Gold, Silver, and Crystal version. It's as if I'm a 5 year-old kid again.
 

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Lubbo said:
i think you mean over 300 to collect?? unless u can trade pokemon from platinum?

Well, collecting doesn't mean it's just from one game. The goal is to "catch 'em all", and there's over 400 to catch/evolve or whatever, regardless of platform. Part of the challenge is finding other Pokemon that aren't in the game.
 

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Guild McCommunist said:
Outside of having 16 gym leaders
Wait...16? I thought there were only 8 for each game? I must be missing something...Then again, I haven't really looked at any gameplay videos or anything really.

But anyway, wonderful review. Definitely excited for the US release (It's on a Sunday, too, so no waiting until after school to pick it up!).
 

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TDWP FTW said:
Guild McCommunist said:
Outside of having 16 gym leaders
Wait...16? I thought there were only 8 for each game? I must be missing something...Then again, I haven't really looked at any gameplay videos or anything really.

But anyway, wonderful review. Definitely excited for the US release (It's on a Sunday, too, so no waiting until after school to pick it up!).

There's the 8 Johto ones and the returning 8 Kanto ones (well, outside of Koga and Giovanni being replaced with Jamie, Koga's daughter, and Blue). Well, 17 if you count the Giovanni event (where you get to travel back in time and fight him. I'm not shitting you).

You've never played Gold or Silver though? There was 16 gym leaders in that and this is just a remake. You poor soul.
 

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Guild McCommunist said:
TDWP FTW said:
Guild McCommunist said:
Outside of having 16 gym leaders
Wait...16? I thought there were only 8 for each game? I must be missing something...Then again, I haven't really looked at any gameplay videos or anything really.

But anyway, wonderful review. Definitely excited for the US release (It's on a Sunday, too, so no waiting until after school to pick it up!).

There's the 8 Johto ones and the returning 8 Kanto ones (well, outside of Koga and Giovanni being replaced with Jamie, Koga's daughter, and Blue). Well, 17 if you count the Giovanni event (where you get to travel back in time and fight him. I'm not shitting you).

You've never played Gold or Silver though? There was 16 gym leaders in that and this is just a remake. You poor soul.
Oh...That's awesome! Is the one where you travel back in time graphically the same as Gold/Silver for GBC? Also, I have played Gold/Silver...I thought it was Crystal that only went back to Kanto.
 

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TDWP FTW said:
Guild McCommunist said:
TDWP FTW said:
Guild McCommunist said:
Outside of having 16 gym leaders
Wait...16? I thought there were only 8 for each game? I must be missing something...Then again, I haven't really looked at any gameplay videos or anything really.

But anyway, wonderful review. Definitely excited for the US release (It's on a Sunday, too, so no waiting until after school to pick it up!).

There's the 8 Johto ones and the returning 8 Kanto ones (well, outside of Koga and Giovanni being replaced with Jamie, Koga's daughter, and Blue). Well, 17 if you count the Giovanni event (where you get to travel back in time and fight him. I'm not shitting you).

You've never played Gold or Silver though? There was 16 gym leaders in that and this is just a remake. You poor soul.
Oh...That's awesome! Is the one where you travel back in time graphically the same as Gold/Silver for GBC? Also, I have played Gold/Silver...I thought it was Crystal that only went back to Kanto.

No, it looks the same. You need some special event Celebi though. And all the games went back to Kanto. That's what made Gold and Silver so awesome.
 

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Gold/Silver/and Crystal all had Kanto (as well as Johto), which is why most people consider them to be the best Pokemon games.
I don't remember any time traveling in Gold though, but there may have been in Crystal.
 

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Guild McCommunist said:
No, it looks the same. You need some special event Celebi though. And all the games went back to Kanto. That's what made Gold and Silver so awesome.
Oh well, I still can't wait to see Kanto in pseudo-3D...It was my favorite Pokemon generation, so that will probably be more exciting for me than Johto will.
 

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DeMoN said:
Gold/Silver/and Crystal all had Kanto (as well as Johto), which is why most people consider them to be the best Pokemon games.
I don't remember any time traveling in Gold though, but there may have been in Crystal.
The time traveling is new that will occur in HG/SS with an event Celebi. It never happened in the original G/S/C.
 

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DeMoN said:
Gold/Silver/and Crystal all had Kanto (as well as Johto), which is why most people consider them to be the best Pokemon games.
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you could take on the gyms in kanto also (even though you couldnt see any badges obtained...)
 

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I played the Japanese version with the patch and it was fantastic. It made me remember the times I played Gold and Crystal version when I was 6 or 7.

Can't wait for the English version!
 

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Rockstar said:
As always great review...
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