Sensible regulation is not giving up national herritage, it's preventing nutjobs from obtaining guns. A nutjob won't be bothered by any checks after obtaining a gun, so the idea of post-purchase regulation is completely pointless. You have to acknowledge the fact that the British Empire doesn't exist anymore, the French are in no hurry to invade either and the Native Americans are near-extinct, and not due to guns but due to continental diseases the founders unwittingly brought to America on their blankets. There is no pressing danger of any invasion anymore, you live in a superpower country, you could relax a bit with what you arm yourself with. The only point I'd be willing to give to the pro gun community is that most weapons used in organized crime are from the black market and cannot be regulated, school shooters and other psychos use their ow guns though, or the guns of their family, so there should be regulations in place regarding who can buy weapons, who can buy ammunition, what kind of weapons they buy and how they are supposed to store them, and all those regulations are incredibly lax in the states. That's not to say I'm anti-guns - I'm pro guns, I love'em myself, I just think they shouldn't be treated like toys and licensing should be strict so that only the cream of the crop can get them, and even they should have to attend periodical check-ups in order to keep them. I prefer a slightly demilitarized populace over militarized police which has to be militarized because they have no way of knowing if you have a handgun or a grenade launcher.
"A nutjob won't be bothered by any checks after obtaining a gun, so the idea of post-purchase regulation is completely pointless."
Maybe i should have been more spesific, FULL DEPTH searches are performed BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT after purchase IN THOSE STATES WHO USE THIS METHOD OF REGULATION. The day of the purchase, before money has changed hands there is a basic background check IN ALL STATES, with the purchaser awaiting, run through police databases for criminal records for the usual black flags (APBs for arrest, validating Personal ID, criminal record including number expunged) and if that passes then the gun is handed over, but even then MOST states have a waiting period for the Full Depth check to be executed (typically 2 weeks, California even has a full 90 days)
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It isn't just about being prepared for an invasion or being able to aid our main armed forces, it's also a threat to our own government which reads in the most bold, 99pt font MS Word can produce "If you screw us over, or try to take away our ability to kill you for screwing us over, we will KILL you" the one thing we fear more than anything else is our own government oppressing and killing us. a fear instilled in us by the long old lineage of queens trying to tax us into poverty and killing us for saying no. why do you think the Riots in Ferguson and Oliver are STILL going? BECAUSE WE ARE SCARED SHITLESS OF GOVERNMENT OPPRESSION!
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We've NEVER had a spree shooter use his own legally obtained weapon although i will admit they generally use family member's weapons which is illegal. and we DO have restrictions on what and who can buy a gun, Age restrictions on both weapons and ammunitions, those with a criminal record of any sort may NEVER own a gun and often have regular officer searches to be sure they don't have any, Semi-Automatic weapons only without LOTS of government sanctioned Armorer classes and a huge fee, all Grenades, Incendiary, and Gas weapons are entirely ILLEGAL without being a member of the main army forces and Tracer ammunition is only barely legal as "Training ammunition", no MK.19 grenade launchers with anything but flares (since all other ammunition is illegal and really hard to get black-market, I've tried just for shits and giggles), no M249 LMG/SAW, nothing crazy like your own sensationalist media plays it up as, JUST Semi-automatic rifles and shotguns
"[Typical "Only people like me should own a gun" line]"
-sigh- 2 words, screw off. What passes in your country won't pass here. attempting to add trainings will only postpone those truly intended on using a legal gun for illegal deeds. hell, I've heard of people coming back from full army service with a clean bill of health and use their skills to kill innocent people on their homeland because those skills are what they wanted out of it all. (why do you think our government treats our veterans so poorly?)
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Vengenceonu there will always be that person who breaks, the spesific shooting you mention involves someone who was bullied to no end by 2 or more co-workers, 2 of which he killed, until the day he was fired. Can you imagine ~40 years of devoting your life to a job you have obsessed about since childhood and spending more than a full year non-stop being harassed by your co-workers to the point of multiple breakdowns and eventually being fired? He was broken by those around him, spending 2 years trying to get legal repercussion for their actions, suing the station twice for discrimination the first time the judge claimed that the issue "had been settled" without citation and threw it out, and when the suit came up again under racism the judge claimed it was "Baseless" even though outside of him it was an all-white broadcasting team, this is someone who wasn't given justice and wrongfully tried to take it into his own hands. more a problem of "Humans treating others terribly" and less "guns need better regulation".
I'm out of here, this argument of cultural ignorance will go nowhere. continuing on for either side is just pissing in the wind, you don't see my side because you didn't grow up here and i don't see your side because it means more control for our government.
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