BLM under fire for defending Cuban regime

[MariArch]

I just don't get this. How in the name of fluffy cute bunnies can you arrive at "White Supremacy" never played a factor against minorities in the United States? Have you never opened a history book, or watched a movie about the past, or spoken with grandparents? Conspiracy mongering aside, nobody denies slavery was a thing. There wasn't some level of compensation upon release, there were well documented groups murdering and harassing folks trying to work hard and make a better life, and there is a clear line of when laws came into being that kinda doesn't make sense if emancipation just cured racial inequality.

The answer is discrimination by race in law has been illegal for more than 50 years. Don't put words in my mouth, obviously white supremacy and systemic racism have played a major roll in the oppression of african americans, but we've progressed past that on a governmental level you cannot find a law in the books that discriminates based on race

Things have not progressed that far since, and economic mobility in the United States isn't nearly as great as you seem to make it out to be. Poor people tend to remain poor, even if they have skill and enthusiasm, because it often takes money to make money. Social programs are supposed to exist to allow everyone stuck at what we collectively would call the bottom of society to start moving upward, but every state has their own race to the bottom that makes moving while poor unrealistic, and stuck with a myriad of hoops and catches that makes it outright likely to end in failure, which is a thing that lets the poor go into even further problems. As such, there is no bottom, save being on the streets in the cold.

It's true many African Americans are in impoverished neighborhoods and may struggle to get out of said hardship, but this all comes down to a cultural issue that creates a cycle of poverty, it's not a systemic issue revolving around one's pigmentation in our laws. Proof: Nigerian Americans, people that are just as black as african americans are some of the most successful races in our country. We've tried a welfare system and that hardly helped in the slightest to help African American break out of a spiral of poverty, there needs to be people within the community that break the spiral (And that means emphasizing the value of hardwork, Monogamy and staying in a healthy relationship, etc etc).

Marxism is never the answer to these problems. The solution to helping races isn't to oppress everyone else, trust me.

 

[Arko]

Nitpicking a single letter?

That move could earn you the unobtanium-medal in Universe Olympics' Casually Supporting Terrorists field.

Kids, never forget: BLM is a terrorist organization.

Now repeat after me:

BLM is a terrorist organization.

 

[jimbo13]

You can speculate what nefarious evil plans BLM has, but at the end of the day, they're just people. Nobody gets up, brushes their teeth, pisses in a puppy's face, and thinks to themselves "Boy howdy, I'm so happy to be spreading EVIIIIL in the world!" You silly sheepskins need to start looking at what causes strife and destruction in the world and figure out how to fix things before your apathy and spite leads to something dire. Socialism and its ilk might not be a magic bullet that will solve the world's ails, but the United States leads the world in very few things these days, save wealth inequality and pollution and desperately needs anything other than what its been doing to fix it.

We aren't speculating, They had a page they deleted called "We what we believe" that included choice items such as support of Marxism and called for the destruction of the nuclear family. Any reasonable person said fuck off at that point.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/...on-calling-for-destruction-of-nuclear-family/

That is what you fail to realize you engage in all this theory craft about their good intentions, BLMs ideology and goals are nothing new it's been here since the 60s. Students of history know whats in that box just because they put it in a new wrapper changes nothing.

Same shit, different year.

 

[Xzi]

Nitpicking a single letter?

That move could earn you the unobtanium-medal in Universe Olympics' Casually Supporting Terrorists field.

Kids, never forget: BLM is a terrorist organization.

Now repeat after me:

BLM is a terrorist organization.

Kids, never forget: the people who call BLM a terrorist organization probably supported the insurrection attempt on 1/6. They're hypocrites and scum looking for any excuse to justify their unjustifiable rage toward people they've never met.

 

[MariArch]

The Democratic establishment fucked over Bernie Sanders by making all the other candidates except Joe Biden drop out prior to Super Tuesday. I don't blame black people for that.

That wasn't my point. regardless of that, it's pretty well known that African Americans on average find Bernie Sanders off putting and prefer Joe biden by a large margin. I really doubt many African Americans are really looking for what Bernie is selling

Understanding US history and the roots of systemic racism has nothing to do whatsoever with Marxism. Unless Marxism by your definition is when a person goes to college.

What? never said that and anyways, we've been teaching of historic systemic racism for longer than both of us have been alive. It's teaching false history and teaching kids that they are still victims of said abolished racism that is harmful.

 

[Deleted User]

Whether it be on social media calling speech 'violence', or college campuses or online marketplaces etc etc. Traditional liberals back in the day wouldn't support said shutdowns of speech regardless of what it was

Are you referring to twitter and social media? If so that doesn't count, and I don't say that because "muh feelings"
First amendment, free speech only protects you from government preventing speech. twitter and any other platform that republican's count as "canceled" or removed for their actions is not protected by the first amendment since it's a private entity.

Kids, never forget: BLM is a terrorist organization.

FBI doesn't count it as such, and has not for the last 3-4 years.
Proudboys? FBI has.
In other words, if the FBI has not called them a terrorist organization, they are not such.

Marxism

what is Marxism, I am asking you to define it. If I don't know what your thinking Marxism is, I cannot follow.

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It's true many African Americans are in impoverished neighborhoods and may struggle to get out of said hardship, but this all comes down to a cultural issue that creates a cycle of poverty,

False, I have a black roommate. Who has a much better financial history than I do. She does her job well, doesn't get into any shit. So come to my shock when she was not approved for an apartment, but when I checked with them I was. Despite me having a significantly less financial record and income.

If that doesn't get any more blatant I don't know what does.

 

[Xzi]

That wasn't my point. regardless of that, it's pretty well known that African Americans on average find Bernie Sanders off putting and prefer Joe biden by a large margin. I really doubt many African Americans are really looking for what Bernie is selling

Being Obama's VP helped Joe Biden there, but that doesn't mean they're unreceptive to Bernie's message. It's basically the same message of MLK with the Working Families Party.

It's teaching false history and teaching kids that they are still victims of said abolished racism that is harmful.

That's absolute nonsense, just because you don't understand (or don't want to understand) how to connect the dots from history to modern-day oppression and discrimination doesn't mean it's "false." Pretending racism suddenly disappeared decades ago is disingenuous as you can possibly be.

 

[MariArch]

Are you referring to twitter and social media? If so that doesn't count, and I don't say that because "muh feelings"
First amendment, free speech only protects you from government preventing speech. twitter and any other platform that republican's count as "canceled" or removed for their actions is not protected by the first amendment since it's a private entity

It's not just the legal ramifications that should facilitate free speech, there's also an implied cultural aspect as well. Many of these big guys Mark Zuckerburg, Jack Dorsey, Aaron Schwartz (deceased) used to be avid supporters of free speech and the marketplace of ideas, but now these websites take down things that they disagree with, they find offensive to their worldview, or (as of recently) things flagged by the feds as 'misinformation'

 

[Deleted User]

It's not just the legal ramifications that should facilitate free speech, there's also an implied cultural aspect as well. Many of these big guys Mark Zuckerburg, Jack Dorsey, Aaron Schwartz (deceased) used to be avid supporters of free speech and the marketplace of ideas, but now these websites take down things that they disagree with, they find offensive to their worldview, or (as of recently) things flagged by the feds as 'misinformation'

again, they are private entities. They can choose to ban you at their discretion. I don't necessarily 100% agree with it. But that's how the law is currently written.

 

[Arko]

FBI doesn't count it as such

I don'T need a three letter agency's approval or another higher authority's for that matter opinion to KNOW that they are terrorist.

The things I have seen and the their modus operandi (sometimes they openly say disturb other people from their comfort zones to make a change) are enough.

Proudboys? FBI has.

You're good at whataboutism, I'll give you that. If only you knew it's also a dumb argument tactic, especially when you are insinuating "your white supremacist org is defined as a terrorist org by the insert three letter agency while my black supremacist org isnt ha! take that!" while I'm not even white nor from America.

Step up your game, terrorist approver.


Also, you're not arguing this with me but I have to add:

First amendment, free speech only protects you from government preventing speech. twitter and any other platform that republican's count as "canceled" or removed for their actions is not protected by the first amendment since it's a private entity.

If a company took govt subsidies, have people who are financially helped by the government (ie tax payers) or took tax breaks, it SHOULDN'T be able to play the I'm a private entity I can do whatever I want.

The "contracted", blue haired and the pink assed macaques who ban your for calling a literal man a man there are buying their slave labor chocalate cakes with american public's money. And they are lording over you.

Never forget that.

 

[Xzi]

It's not just the legal ramifications that should facilitate free speech, there's also an implied cultural aspect as well. Many of these big guys Mark Zuckerburg, Jack Dorsey, Aaron Schwartz (deceased) used to be avid supporters of free speech and the marketplace of ideas, but now these websites take down things that they disagree with, they find offensive to their worldview, or (as of recently) things flagged by the feds as 'misinformation'

These platforms have always had a set of rules you had to follow with your speech, else you would be banned. What's one more rule to follow? Not spreading COVID misinformation is easy.

 

[MariArch]

False, I have a black roommate. Who has a much better financial history than I do. She does her job well, doesn't get into any shit. So come to my shock when she was not approved for an apartment, but when I checked with them I was. Despite me having a significantly less financial record and income.

If that doesn't get any more blatant I don't know what does.

Em, good for her? but that's purely anecdotal lol.

That's absolute nonsense, just because you don't understand (or don't want to understand) how to connect the dots from history to modern-day oppression and discrimination doesn't mean it's "false." Pretending racism suddenly disappeared decades ago is disingenuous as you can possibly be.

As I said early, of course there's impoverished african americans that are perhaps feeling echos of a racist past in their current living conditions, but as far as government goes, we've abolished all forms of racial discrimination within law a long time ago.

This isn't a race issue, there are many Minorities that do really really well. And hell, immigrant black people that do significantly better than much better than a lot of races in the US. Point being, it's not a law issue, it's a social issue.

 

[Arko]

unjustifiable rage toward people they've never met.

This is true.

Very very true.

Being from the anatolian side of Turkey, I have never met one.

Now try more of your snowclone/memorized labels and see if they stick.

 

[Xzi]

As I said early, of course there's impoverished african americans that are perhaps feeling echos of a racist past in their current living conditions, but as far as government goes, we've abolished all forms of racial discrimination within law a long time ago.

The voting rights act was just overturned by the Supreme Court a couple years back and we're already seeing the return of some Jim Crow laws.

Point being, it's not a law issue, it's a social issue.

It's mostly an issue with the people who enforce the law, and the fact that they believe themselves to be above it. A lot of cops don't know much of the law as its written anyway.

This is true.

Very very true.

Being from the anatolian side of Turkey, I have never met one.

Now try more of your snowclone/memorized labels and see if they stick.

Sounds like the first one stuck if you're admitting I'm right. What a sad, pathetic little person you are.

 

[MariArch]

These platforms have always had a set of rules you had to follow with your speech, else you would be banned. What's one more rule to follow? Not spreading COVID misinformation is easy.

Sure I agree that spreading blatantly false information about vaccines em.. making you grow three heads or causing infertility or some BS like that should probably be taken down, but then again, many things that were up for contention that turned out to have merit (Covid Lab Leak) would also get your posts taken down.. but are now ok. Point being there's no limiting principle to what is taken down and what isn't taken down for 'misinformation'. And when the Feds are deciding what is deemed misinformation I have a really big problem with that. Because don't think these flags will stop at just COVID... Once you wield power with no consequence, you do it again. And I could easily see social media taking down posts on many other issues they disagree with.

 

[Deleted User]

I don'T need a three letter agency's approval or another higher authority's for that matter opinion to KNOW that they are terrorist.

Then who would be an authority? Your not going to listen to me, and clearly your aren't going to listen to anything I say.

You're good at whataboutism, I'll give you that.

If only it was whataboutism
Cananda desinates them as terrorist
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/proud-boys-terrorist-group-canada/
FBI also desenated them
department of homeland secruity was also tracking them pre riot
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/dhs-federal-protective-service-capitol-riot
if they weren't a terrorist group, they wouldn't be keeping tabs or actively be searching for the members.

 

[Arko]

Sounds like the first one stuck if you're admitting I'm right. What a sad, pathetic little person you are.

Are you even capable of detecting "doubling down to make the accuser lose power over you" approach in a debate or did the leprosy known as western leftism (read: neoliberal cpaitalist puppetry) blinded your nerve endings so much that your brain isn't capable of comprehension anymore.

Tell me bauzio, would you be able to tell if REAL racism sank its teeth into your hindquarters?

 

[Xzi]

Because don't think these flags will stop at just COVID... Once you wield power with no consequence, you do it again.

Nah, the slippery slope argument never pans out. COVID misinformation has literally killed people. And while you can't fully protect anyone from themselves, the government can take steps to limit the spread of that deadly misinformation.

Tell me bauzio, would you be able to tell if REAL racism sank its teeth into your hindquarters?

"If you think I'M racist, you should meet my friends." Ooh, good one.

 

[MariArch]

Nah, the slippery slope argument never pans out. COVID misinformation has literally killed people. And while you can't fully protect anyone from themselves, the government can take steps to limit the spread of that deadly misinformation.

No. Speech doesn't kill people and people that weren't going to get the vaccine in the first place aren't going to change their mind just because the feds take down peoples speech. People have the right to assess their own risks when it comes to taking the vaccine or not. People that wanted the vaccine have gotten it at this point, people that decide to takes the risks associated with not taking the vaccine have put their lives into their own hands. Government shouldn't serve as big brother to tell these people what to think. And no! the government definitely doesn't have the right to take down speech they deem misinformation. That's blatantly against 1A. And using a private entity to bypass 1A is Illegal.

 

[sarkwalvein]

People, stop posting shameful clickbaits.
At least proofread and verify the links you post as new threads.
This shit is a waste of time for all of us.