I was coming to that point... I wonder if in today's world they'd have felt the need to go down to MicroSD. Remember they were introduced in the days of ever decreasing phone sizes, before the smart phone took off in any meaningful way. I know PCB real estate is always valuable regardless of what size you're building to, but miniSD and microSD are just as thin as each other, and in today's world of tablets, phablets and generally rather large phones would the SD Association really feel the need to go that much smaller?
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I was coming to that point... I wonder if in today's world they'd have felt the need to go down to MicroSD. Remember they were introduced in the days of ever decreasing phone sizes, before the smart phone took off in any meaningful way. I know PCB real estate is always valuable regardless of what size you're building to, but miniSD and microSD are just as thin as each other, and in today's world of tablets, phablets and generally rather large phones would the SD Association really feel the need to go that much smaller?
I believe they killed it off due to a lack of support from hardware developers leading into poor sales of the cards themselves. MiniSD is less of a jump in physical size than MicroSD, which made MicroSD more appealing to both manufacturers and consumers- the difference in size is a lot more tangible. MiniSD never caught on with hardware developers or consumers- and so it didn't sell, so they stopped making them. If you were a manufacturer of something, would you continue to manufacture it in mass quantities for only mediocre sales? Probably not.
With storage mediums, it's not about what the chip manufacturers want at the end of the day- it's about what people want, and what their hardware supports.
If industry had suddenly started making all their hardware with MiniSD slots, it'd probably still be around today. Same for every other dead memory card type.
SD and MicroSD are really the only two that people have accepted, and are now widely used today.
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A year ago they made a transistor that was a single atom. Intel wasn't the one to create it. Just because their products can get smaller, that doesn't mean Moore's law isn't dead.
My point was Moore's law has nothing to do with them usually being powers of two. There is nothing holding them to that constraint. It's not even really powers of two, since companies use decimal instead of binary to save money. It's marketing.
PS: You're being kind of a dick to everyone in this thread.
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Anyhow to answer the original question in this thread- the answer is almost definitely- but I'm not too sure for how long it will be that data's physical space required will continue to shrink, however. I can't imagine it getting too much smaller over the course of the next 10-15 years.
Eventually the constant exponential improvements to this technology are going to start bumping heads with actual physical laws in the universe, I believe when that happens we'll see a stagnation on SD Card sizes- with it becoming cheaper and cheaper to produce the cards as manufacturing gets better and better at making them, driving competition, etc.
At the end of the current SD cards as a medium, as a result of physical space being a factor, standard SD cards will be capable of larger numbers when it comes to space, with MicroSD staying about half as small as the largest standard SD.
Eventually the constant exponential improvements to this technology are going to start bumping heads with actual physical laws in the universe, I believe when that happens we'll see a stagnation on SD Card sizes- with it becoming cheaper and cheaper to produce the cards as manufacturing gets better and better at making them, driving competition, etc.
At the end of the current SD cards as a medium, as a result of physical space being a factor, standard SD cards will be capable of larger numbers when it comes to space, with MicroSD staying about half as small as the largest standard SD.
Come again? The definition of Moore's Law is the exponential rise of transistor density every 2 years (used to be every year).
No, but it doesn't make sense to retool the dies every month just for a few more GB.
You are absolutely correct sir. I don't have patience for ignorance and people arguing things that don't make sense and have no factual data to back it up.
Also I may have assbergers. /s
Sorry everyone. /s
I guess only time will tell if we get one or not.
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Just because a law has the word "two" in it doesn't mean it's related. As I pointed out, they aren't even doing powers of two.
Who said anything about that?
Except you're the one who's ignorant. You didn't even realize Moore's Law died a year ago, but you're acting like an expert. I'm guessing you're a teenager.
My point, to make it absolutely clear, is that if Nintendo had used a full-sized SD card slot there would be no problem. However with MicroSD cards I believe it's possible that we may find ourselves limited in storage space if we intend to go all digital. I'm concerned that either future density miniaturization will be done on a new standard that replaces microSDXC (and thus would be incompatible with the Switch) or that by the time we actually see a smaller size the Switch would be obsolete and a new console will be out.
I wish they went with SD also. You can always swap out for another card though, you will never really "run out of space" depending how deep your wallet is. Just think of it as a game cart that has more than 1 game on it and it's meant to be easily swapped out now, unlike the NN3DSXL where you have to unscrew the bottom cover.
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This is entirely my point, though. The industry didn't want it because they were moving towards smaller and smaller phones at the time. That trend reversed when smartphones and tablets came onto the scene.
I recon we'd have a different situation in today's world is all
Just to make it clear. Moore's Law is not dead, but is dying as long as we don't take quantum computing into this discussion. Also it declares that all 2 years the transistors per chip on a waver doubles. Not 1 year not 3 not half, 2 end.
Aaaaand it has nothing to-do with storage on the flash chips of the sd card.
For the main question, will it be possible? Yes, with a better way of saving the data we get more data on the same space
Aaaaand it has nothing to-do with storage on the flash chips of the sd card.
For the main question, will it be possible? Yes, with a better way of saving the data we get more data on the same space
I just. I just can't. This thread is getting ridiculous again. Think whatever you wish. If you want to think that NAND flash storage is not made up of floating gate transistors then go ahead. If you want to think that the color purple is actually orange then go ahead. I choose to believe in reality and the laws of physics that govern said reality.
I'll just leave these here.
https://itblog.sandisk.com/does-storage-break-moores-law/
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https://www.ece.umd.edu/~blj/CS-590.26/nand-presentation-2010.pdf
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never said they are not made wth transistors, since everything is using transistors... you really need to learn reading.
But the law itself is only used for processing chips. Not flash chips.
The number of transistors that can fit on a die is a pretty good indication of memory density & Moore's law isn't dead. http://fortune.com/2017/01/05/intel-ces-2017-moore-law/
The problem is lack of competition and buyer apathy. People either make do with smaller microsd cards, or buy phones that don't even use them.
Cutting edge development happens first in cpu's because of commercial reasons, the technology flows down eventually. I'd expect gpu's & ssd's to follow moore's law because there is demand for better products.
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256gb micro SD cards really haven't been on the market THAT long. I'd imagine yes there will be a point that 512gb cards will be a thing, but you should be ready to sink upwards of 200 dollars for it, and give it another year or so (at least) before it's a thing, seeing that they haven't even been announced yet.
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You can't make it smaller than a single atom.
Intel isn't the spearhead of technology. Just because they haven't done it, that doesn't mean it hasn't been achieved.
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