‘Obscene’ U.S. Manga Collector Jailed 6 Months

[Westside]

Yeah, fuck child molesters and people that beat off to pictures of naked kids and do inappropriate things to them!
... but what part of your post pertains to the guy this thread is about... ? Oh yeah, no part.

If buying a loli/beastiality manga is as bad as being a child molester, then playing a violent game is a bad as killing somebody or doing whatever is done in the game.

Kindly list the games you've played and enjoyed so we can tell you how bad of a person you are. =D

Also, watching Saw movies makes you an accomplice to murder.

I wouldn't take it that far since you're not in control of the movie, whereas in a videogame like the call of duty series, if you kill somebody it's because you purposely chose to kill them.

Then again, most world war II veterans are considered heroes today. On the contrary, I wouldn't exactly agree with Jigsaw's philosophies.

I don't know about you, but I play violent video games not because I think killing people is cool or that it gives me a rush, if it does, than you have a problem. Now touching yourself to fantasies pictures of children is more than sickening.

 

[Fat D]

While I agree that the content he bought is deviant and considering it obscene is justified, I still refuse to believe the law has any right to be involved in "obscenity". The purpose of criminal law is to define the borders of individual rights in a way that prevents people from hurting each other. In obscenity cases, however, there is no victim, so said law protects nobody from being hurt. Therefore, it is not an offense against his fellow human beings he committed, ergo it should not be a crime.
I do not support the mass import and sexual enjoyment of (fictional) materials containing pedophilia and bestiality, but I do not support the criminalization of it, either. I would go even further to say that the only thing worthy of being a crime about actual child pornography is the abuse the children had to go through at the time of production and the videos are nothing but evidence, but I fear most could view that as too radical and might jump to wrong conclusions.

Seven books of manga inside contained cartoon drawings of minors engaged in sexually explicit acts and bestiality.

I wonder, how is that sentence to be interpreted? Is it
"Seven books of manga inside contained cartoon drawings of minors engaged in sexually explicit acts and cartoon drawings of bestiality."?
Or is it
"Seven books of manga inside contained cartoon drawings of minors engaged in sexually explicit acts and minors engaged in bestiality."?

 

[Cermage]

this guy gets jailed for 6 months... but i can imagine some artist coming out with a song about raping kids and animals and getting it labeled no more than atrocious.

 

[Danny Tanner]

Actually, as much sympathy I have for this guy for getting arrested, he made a plea deal. His rights were in obvious violation, if he took it to the Supreme Court there is a strong chance this law would be struck down. IIRC the Supreme Court can't strike down a law until a case comes to them regarding it so as long as these sissies keep plea-ing, the law will remain.

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

Child and animal pr0n is just wrong, doesn't matter if it's pictures, manga or even text. If you like fapping to that, get a life. I support Guild on this one. The sentence is the right thing for this guy.

 

[Lortamios]

This is equally as offensive as the Muslims who rioted when some dude drew a picture of Mohamed. A drawing is an artistic expression that is clearly protected under the first amendment of our constitution, to outlaw such a thing is a violation of our rights. The subject matter however is so deplorable that there are few willing to defend it fearing guilt by association. It is just another case of religious morality and political correctness overwhelming our inalienable right to freedom of expression.

 

[Zerousen]

they sound more like doujinshi(fan made manga) to me. I never knew there were such anime/manga out there.

 

[DeMoN]

Hmmm... if this was against the law, then rule 34 sites should be banned, no?
And how exactly did this guy get caught? I don't think customs will randomly open comic book shipments believing them to be child porn. I think this guy is already a registered sex offender and this was merely a ploy to put him in prison.

 

[Advi]

Yeah, fuck child molesters and people that beat off to pictures of naked kids and do inappropriate things to them!
... but what part of your post pertains to the guy this thread is about... ? Oh yeah, no part.

If buying a loli/beastiality manga is as bad as being a child molester, then playing a violent game is a bad as killing somebody or doing whatever is done in the game.

Kindly list the games you've played and enjoyed so we can tell you how bad of a person you are. =D

Also, watching Saw movies makes you an accomplice to murder.

I wouldn't take it that far since you're not in control of the movie, whereas in a videogame like the call of duty series, if you kill somebody it's because you purposely chose to kill them.

Then again, most world war II veterans are considered heroes today. On the contrary, I wouldn't exactly agree with Jigsaw's philosophies.

I don't know about you, but I play violent video games not because I think killing people is cool or that it gives me a rush, if it does, than you have a problem. Now touching yourself to fantasies pictures of children is more than sickening.

I kill people in video games because I know they're just hunks of pixels, it's just part of solving a giant puzzle. The thought of killing somebody IRL makes me nauseous.
The point is, this man was minding his own business and if it makes you offended, then with all due respect, it doesn't matter. I think it's gross, but I'm not going to stop somebody from doing something in their privacy just because I don't like it, I don't control his life, and neither does anybody else on this site, or in the world.

 

[Lortamios]

jailing someone for possessing a hand drawn image is equivalent to jailing someone for thought crime, if you have an image in your mind you technically posses it.

Spoiler

Imagine someone underage in the nude.



now go to jail.

 

[Lortamios]

I don't care if people beat off to hentai, but this is child pornography and bestiality. Real or not, it promotes sex with minors and sex with animals, both of which are illegal. You can read whatever sick cartoons you want, as long as it complies with the laws of your respective country.

Murder is illegal, is viewing a murder illegal? Why is simulated rape legal? There is plenty of porn featuring 18+ girls that could be considered simulated CP, and they use real people! There is a difference between thought and action, and if you would so easily hand over your rights because the subject matter is taboo, then you deserve to have them stripped from you.

 

[Rydian]

I think this guy is already a registered sex offender and this was merely a ploy to put him in prison.

You just want him to be a registered sex offender so that how you feel towards him can be justified.

If you have any proof that he is, feel free to post it... you know, considering that the sex offenders list is publicly available online.

 

[Hop2089]

I give this topic

(5 rofls)

Shit ain't new cases popped up all over the world since 1986 starting in of all places New Zealand. He deserved it but I rather have him sentenced to death.

 

[Rydian]

I give this topic

(5 rofls)

Shit ain't new cases popped up all over the world since 1986 starting in of all places New Zealand. He deserved it but I rather have him sentenced to death.

Somebody hasn't read the whole thread.

 

[FluffyLunamoth]

I give this topic

(5 rofls)

Shit ain't new cases popped up all over the world since 1986 starting in of all places New Zealand. He deserved it but I rather have him sentenced to death.

...seriously. Sentenced to death over fucking books? That's just pathetic. What good will killing him, using OUR TAX MONEY, do? Will it make him learn his lesson(which there isn't one)? No, cause he's dead. Seriously...too many americans are so blood-thirsty and jail-hungry that it's not even funny...

Now I'm not going to defend this guy, because I don't agree with bestiality of any kind, but really... Put him in jail for having goddamn cartoon porn? IT's not even real, people. IT's DRAWINGS. So is it now illegal to draw porn? Child porn is different depending on the medium. Child porn in anime/manga != not really child porn, as no one was harmed in the making of it(usually...might've been a drunken fight...maybe...yeah I'm pulling that out of my ass.). REAL child porn, however, has kids getting raped, beaten, all of that stuff. In which people actually DO GET HURT.

Seriously, don't they have way more important things to do, people to catch, then someone buying fucking pornographic manga? They need to straighten their goddamn priorities.

 

[DSGamer64]

How many things would we get thrown in jail for enjoying if things started getting censored ? ? ? ? How many violent videogames do you own, oh I guess they are proving your future violent intent ? ? ?

The difference is that violent video games are not considered taboo in today's society.

You are aware that there are still people, including American porn producers, who make films involving humans having sex with animals right? I am sorry but a cartoon is not real at all and won't harm anyone. If someone becomes a pedo or has sex with animals because of a cartoon than they only developed that out of stupidity and human curiosity which happens a lot. I used to get an anime mag in my email and they constantly had ads for porn with bestiality involved, I guess those freaks should go to jail too but so far no one is stopping them despite the fact that it's real. Seriously there are worse things to be worried about, anime porn is not harming anyone if people got corrupted into doing the things they saw in it than it's their own stupidity that drove them to that point.

 

[FAST6191]

Some good replies to the topic (I will echo the "was anyone hurt" line of thought), I will spin another hypothetical though

12 year old becomes a zombie/vampire/immortal and lives for a 1000 years (not unheard of in such circles by any means)- what plays now?

Re: the "gateway drug" line of thought I will again ask if anyone was hurt.


There was however a far more interesting development in such legal circles:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/11/florida_obscenity/

As for pleading guilty I will say this is more likely a legal ploy as trying to defend this would likely take a long time (good lawyers are not cheap) and risk a harsh sentence- how many of you find it odd that people will pay the RIAA/MPAA/similar to get lost rather than go to court? On the plus side it looks like no real precedent will be set which is a good thing.

My sympathies to the man involved and those whose lives he was involved in for the positive. I hope it will cause too much aggro later on.

 

[megawalk]

A U.S. comic book collector is being sentenced to six months in prison after pleading guilty to importing and possessing Japanese manga books depicting illustrations of child sex and bestiality.

Christopher Handley was sentenced in Iowa on Thursday, (.pdf) almost a year after pleading guilty to charges of possessing “obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children.”

The 40-year-old was charged under the 2003 Protect Act, which outlaws cartoons, drawings, sculptures or paintings depicting minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, and which lack “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.” Handley was the nation’s first to be convicted under that law for possessing cartoon art, without any evidence that he also collected or viewed genuine child pornography.

Without a plea deal with federal authorities, he faced a maximum 15-year sentence.

Comic fans were outraged, saying jailing someone over manga does not protect children from sexual abuse. “I’d say the anime community’s reaction to this, since day one, has been almost exclusively one of support for Handley and disgust with the U.S. courts and legal system,” Christopher MacDonald, editor of Anime News Network, said in an e-mail.

Congress passed the Protect Act after the Supreme Court struck down a broader law prohibiting any visual depictions of minors engaged in sexual activity, including computer-generated imagery and other fakes. The high court ruled that the ban was too broad, and could cover legitimate speech, including Hollywood productions.

In response, the Protect Act narrows the prohibition to cover only depictions that the defendant’s community would consider “obscene.”

The case began in 2006, when customs officials intercepted and opened a package from Japan addressed to Handley. Seven books of manga inside contained cartoon drawings of minors engaged in sexually explicit acts and bestiality.

Photo: EverJean

The Anime News Network says the seven books are:

* Mikansei Seifuku Sh?jo (Unfinished School Girl) by Yuki Tamachi (LE Comics)
* I [Heart] Doll by Makafusigi (Seraphim Comics)
* Kemono for ESSENTIAL 3 (THE ANIMAL SEX ANTHOLOGY Vol.3) by Masato Tsukimori et al (Izumi Comics)
* Otonari Kazoku (Neighboring House Family) by Nekogen (MD Comics)
* Eromon by Makafusigi (Seraphim Comics)
* Kono Man_ ga Sugoi! (This Man_ is Awesome!) by Makafusigi (Seraphim Comics)
* Hina Meiky? (Doll Labyrinth) by Makafusigi (Seraphim Comics)

Source

>A 40 year old Collecting Manga.
I lol'd

The 40-year-old was charged under the 2003 Protect Act, which outlaws cartoons, drawings, sculptures or paintings depicting minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, and which lack “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.”

ok...let's list some things out that does conclude to this.
godannar...what more to say...
bleach...i swear 2 god you know who i am talking about...
all the other related oh you subjects -_-
and funfact that Godannar got "Licensed" in the U.S.
maybe thats one of the reasons when this came. yes...Anna is...a....MINOR! when she married go

in alot of anime's we got to know "Boob" jokes. some were funny. some were crazy. and some...just failed...
and yeah i lol'd too.
this is why i suggest get a big black case with a 12 slot pw combo

ok illegal to draw porn ?
how random as it may be.
i get a tempting feeling to do a huge epic stunt with it where i get on the news/youtube/global news

 

[Sir-Fritz]

A U.S. comic book collector is being sentenced to six months in prison after pleading guilty to importing and possessing Japanese manga books depicting illustrations of child sex and bestiality.

Christopher Handley was sentenced in Iowa on Thursday, (.pdf) almost a year after pleading guilty to charges of possessing “obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children.”

The 40-year-old was charged under the 2003 Protect Act, which outlaws cartoons, drawings, sculptures or paintings depicting minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, and which lack “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.” Handley was the nation’s first to be convicted under that law for possessing cartoon art, without any evidence that he also collected or viewed genuine child pornography.

Without a plea deal with federal authorities, he faced a maximum 15-year sentence.

Comic fans were outraged, saying jailing someone over manga does not protect children from sexual abuse. “I’d say the anime community’s reaction to this, since day one, has been almost exclusively one of support for Handley and disgust with the U.S. courts and legal system,” Christopher MacDonald, editor of Anime News Network, said in an e-mail.

Congress passed the Protect Act after the Supreme Court struck down a broader law prohibiting any visual depictions of minors engaged in sexual activity, including computer-generated imagery and other fakes. The high court ruled that the ban was too broad, and could cover legitimate speech, including Hollywood productions.

In response, the Protect Act narrows the prohibition to cover only depictions that the defendant’s community would consider “obscene.”

The case began in 2006, when customs officials intercepted and opened a package from Japan addressed to Handley. Seven books of manga inside contained cartoon drawings of minors engaged in sexually explicit acts and bestiality.

Photo: EverJean

The Anime News Network says the seven books are:

* Mikansei Seifuku Sh?jo (Unfinished School Girl) by Yuki Tamachi (LE Comics)
* I [Heart] Doll by Makafusigi (Seraphim Comics)
* Kemono for ESSENTIAL 3 (THE ANIMAL SEX ANTHOLOGY Vol.3) by Masato Tsukimori et al (Izumi Comics)
* Otonari Kazoku (Neighboring House Family) by Nekogen (MD Comics)
* Eromon by Makafusigi (Seraphim Comics)
* Kono Man_ ga Sugoi! (This Man_ is Awesome!) by Makafusigi (Seraphim Comics)
* Hina Meiky? (Doll Labyrinth) by Makafusigi (Seraphim Comics)

Source

>A 40 year old Collecting Manga.
I lol'd

The 40-year-old was charged under the 2003 Protect Act, which outlaws cartoons, drawings, sculptures or paintings depicting minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, and which lack “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.”

ok...let's list some things out that does conclude to this.
godannar...what more to say...
bleach...i swear 2 god you know who i am talking about...
all the other related oh you subjects -_-
and funfact that Godannar got "Licensed" in the U.S.
maybe thats one of the reasons when this came. yes...Anna is...a....MINOR! when she married go

in alot of anime's we got to know "Boob" jokes. some were funny. some were crazy. and some...just failed...
and yeah i lol'd too.
this is why i suggest get a big black case with a 12 slot pw combo

ok illegal to draw porn ?
how random as it may be.
i get a tempting feeling to do a huge epic stunt with it where i get on the news/youtube/global news

Yep, my friend owns a godannar dvd

 

[Rydian]

There was however a far more interesting development in such legal circles:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/11/florida_obscenity/

Allow me to post an overused phrase in response.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-