Hacking (PSA) Stop the Gatehate

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Gateway devoted time and resources they could have used making their cart's FW better but instead they decided to write brick code...
A group that would do such a malicious thing deserves every tiny speck of hate that it gets.

I do agree that being an ass towards users is pointless and just rude, still, Gateway has sloppy tools and stolen code.
 
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I'm coming in freaking late, I mean late, to this latest breakout, but can somebody please tell me why so much trust is being put into downloading directly from the eShop. I mean, it's a possibility that that is not going to be a permanent thing. From what I understand, it's just SHARED, digitally BOUGHT content, that could most likely be invalidated down the road, and then you have some scene guy rebuying tickets. And if that's the case, why would you immediately dump your flash carts. :| Better safe than sorry, right?

Correct everything wrong about this (plus reference material), because I'm thinking of trying out cfw/freeshop on a spare 3DS.
 

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sub_69C080
PUSH {R3-R7,LR}
LDR R4, =0x8090570
MOVS R0, R4
BL sub_69BD34
MOVS R0, #0x3E8
BL sub_69C244
MOVS R1, #0
MOVS R0, R4
MOVS R2, R1
BL sub_69BB18

If you use your Gateway thats fine.Wasnt it your point
people are entitled their opinion?
And if they argue with one another thats their problem not yours

and afaik check launcher dat.
if you bothered to pay attention to arm9loaderhax documentation

you would know it bricks preboot (gateway launcher)if you tampered with their systemfiles
before hand upon boot.
 
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Gateway devoted time and resources they could have used making their cart's FW better but instead they decided to write brick code...
A group that would do such a malicious thing deserves every tiny speck of hate that it gets.

I do agree that being an ass towards users is pointless and just rude, still, Gateway has sloppy tools and stolen code.

the brick code is mainly preboot
but i dont see why their so paranoid about end users reversing their system files?
oh wait... no end users do reverse.... the system files
which makes their reason to write the code pathetic and useless.
 

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the brick code is mainly preboot
but i dont see why their so paranoid about end users reversing their system files?
oh wait... no end users do reverse.... the system files
which makes their reason to write the code pathetic and useless.

Scary stuff, at least their bullshit can be reversed.. with a backup.... and a pi.

I was referencing old stuff, I have no idea what an a9lh gateway brick would be like... god help us.
 
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For what it's worth I feel like 90% of the people who criticize Gateway probably never had one and joined in on 3DS modding during the "OMG free gamez" stage of the scene. At the time Gateway initially released it was, for many, well worth it due to being the only way to modify games or play homebrew. ninjhax didn't show up until 3DS 9.2, so from 4.2 to 9.2 the only real way to have developed homebrew and modified games, for the average person, was Gateway (or using leaked CFW stolen from yellows8, which is arguably worse than using Gateway). I personally believe Gateway was fundamental in establishing the current state of the homebrew scene, at least for some developers. Others like smea and yellows8 had their own utilities and were slowly building up ctrulib on their own, but they can't always give out their tools so having something like Gateway available was good. I also personally believe having piracy behind a paywall was better for the time that it existed, the 3DS was very young and had a lot of titles to be released, now it's not nearly as secure to release for.

Not to mention the fact that currently all CFW, in it's current state, is based on Gateway. firmlaunchhax and memchunkhax were based on Gateway's implementations, RAM haxing QRs that people used for Pokemon were based on Gateway's exploit they released, and emuNAND code from rxTools was believed to be based on Gateway code, although that's not certain. But Gateway still pioneered emuNAND, however it's clear that despite having a strong starting team, it definitely must have slimmed down in numbers at some point. As for brick code, I feel like it's justified, they spent a lot of R&D actually exploiting the 3DS entirely when there was no public implementation, and they also had to develop their hardware, so they were simply protecting their investment.
 

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For what it's worth I feel like 90% of the people who criticize Gateway probably never had one and joined in on 3DS modding during the "OMG free gamez" stage of the scene. At the time Gateway initially released it was, for many, well worth it due to being the only way to modify games or play homebrew. ninjhax didn't show up until 3DS 9.2, so from 4.2 to 9.2 the only real way to have developed homebrew and modified games, for the average person, was Gateway (or using leaked CFW stolen from yellows8, which is arguably worse than using Gateway). I personally believe Gateway was fundamental in establishing the current state of the homebrew scene, at least for some developers. Others like smea and yellows8 had their own utilities and were slowly building up ctrulib on their own, but they can't always give out their tools so having something like Gateway available was good. I also personally believe having piracy behind a paywall was better for the time that it existed, the 3DS was very young and had a lot of titles to be released, now it's not nearly as secure to release for.

Not to mention the fact that currently all CFW, in it's current state, is based on Gateway. firmlaunchhax and memchunkhax were based on Gateway's implementations, RAM haxing QRs that people used for Pokemon were based on Gateway's exploit they released, and emuNAND code from rxTools was believed to be based on Gateway code, although that's not certain. But Gateway still pioneered emuNAND, however it's clear that despite having a strong starting team, it definitely must have slimmed down in numbers at some point. As for brick code, I feel like it's justified, they spent a lot of R&D actually exploiting the 3DS entirely when there was no public implementation, and they also had to develop their hardware, so they were simply protecting their investment.
Sir your points are absolutely stunning, I agree with you
 
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Scary stuff, at least their bullshit can be reversed.. with a backup.... and a pi.

I was referencing old stuff, I have no idea what an a9lh gateway brick would be like... god help us.
you better believe its there. drop the launcher.dat from the release when the accusations were made.
as for @Ramzh Gateway Protecting their investment is common sense
hackers are hackers wether they profit off the scene or watch closely
and do their own thing .Are they making money?ofc ?Talented?probably
but for them to respond to the accusations made so fast
after it was made a issue.
that doesnt make them seem credible in my eyes.
Corporate money making in the scene.
defensive? ?
obviously
if they have nothing to hide why the need for them to defend such a query?
 

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I think that we should still respect Gateway. I mean if was them who created the scene we have now (not talking about a9lh). That being said I do think that Gateway will become obsolete because we are moving in a new direction. That does not mean that Gateway is somehow shit. They set the foundation for the 3ds hacking scene.
 

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its just how some people act now days, you cant just upgrade from a iphone 5 to a 6 without declaring to the world that suddenly despite loving it for a whole year the iphone 5 is suddenly the spawn of satan and anyone using one is a fecking idiot who should be shot and how can anyone possible live with a iphone 5 i mean like it has 100 less pixels and can only do 95% of everything the iphone 6 can hahaha lololo suchas f4ils me iz so clevah and you guyz all sux

basically most of the stuff people use as their weapon of gw bashing is either terribly out of date stuff from no doubt before they even joined the scene i.e bricked legit gateway users or just rumors that spiraled out of control i.e being locked into GW if you use the GW a9lh stuff, the GW menu has its own nand restore option, if you dont like it or you break your GW card you still have access to this menu and afaik can still restore a pre-a9lh nand backup, but even if thats not enough they gave people the arm9loaderhax.bin file so if you really want to can skip their a9lh tools completely
 
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I think that we should still respect Gateway. I mean if was them who created the scene we have now (not talking about a9lh). That being said I do think that Gateway will become obsolete because we are moving in a new direction. That does not mean that Gateway is somehow shit. They set the foundation for the 3ds hacking scene.
what you said alone is how ppl should treat each other. with respect. opinions can vary which is fine
though the scene has been plagued with flaming. look at other platforms for example
there is no reason why some ppl even if they want to help noob or not rather just do their work
in the dark. from a developmental standpoint devs and endusers should work together to make the community fun and safe place to be vulnerable with others
in learning enviroment. as for dongles and flashcarts.its buisness. fact of life some do it because it puts money on the table.that and they do it because they can,
the grey area is what always concerning me....
 
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Im a GW owner. I bought it on January of 2015. I was very happy, regular updates, emuNAND fixes in less than 24h , etc. All the shame started in December-2015 with the fuckin' A9LH. They promised something and 7 months later, they didnt provide it properly (with all the code of ultra-safe tools on Github.) . With the excuse of being developing A9LH compatibility, they arent publishing anything and it is dissapointing. I already have Luma and a switch to start Gateway at pressing "Y" at the boot of the console. My RedNAND doesnt work, i can handle it. They doesnt have a future-proof A9LH fork, i was obligated to use a public one. We didnt have any new feature after cheats. And the users are suspecting of a possible Brick-Code. And... I wont critic them for this but... Existing CFWs with sigpatches, they can publish the ARM9 payload of GWMode, and the GW A9LH users can avoid booting into the menu.
My conclussion is that GW must do SOMETHING (not miracles, but SOMETING) for their users. If not, they will be ShitWay for me. And... I wont look they so fucking bad if they stopped the developing, but dont trick the users with something that wont never exist.
 

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you better believe its there. drop the launcher.dat from the release when the accusations were made.
as for @Ramzh Gateway Protecting their investment is common sense
hackers are hackers wether they profit off the scene or watch closely
and do their own thing .Are they making money?ofc ?Talented?probably
but for them to respond to the accusations made so fast
after it was made a issue.
that doesnt make them seem credible in my eyes.
Corporate money making in the scene.
defensive? ?
obviously
if they have nothing to hide why the need for them to defend such a query?
Why you tagged me for?
 

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ok so, everyone talks about throwing their gateway away or burning it, but isn't that a little extreme? think about the good times, when you weren't part of the high number of people who say flashcards are obsolete? why would you throw something that you spent 40 dollars or more on and is still in decent condition?? at the very least, immortalize it, sit it on a desk, or maybe even sell it. who should care about your decisions, or better yet, who should force your decisions on you? that's gotta be one of the worse things.

Brilliant post by the way, just wanted to reply to this. I still have my GW cart, actually cost me $60, I guess because the blue card was included, this was back in December 2014. Using A9LH and Luma 3DS, I still don't want to damage the cart in any way, it could be useful in the future, and yeah, doing anything to it aside from selling proves that I wasted money I barely had at the time on it. So it just sets on my dresser, still works since I lasted tried it out a few weeks ago. More importantly is the microSD card I bought for the cart, it's 32GB. I kind of want to use that for another 3DS, or the Wii U if it supports that, but again, could need Gateway in the future, I'm better off just buying a new one. They're cheap anyways. But yeah, loved the Gatehate in the form of meme like things such as the r/3dshacks banner of Gatewait, but I don't really hate GW. I laugh at the parodies and such, but don't hate them. The shitposting is a fad, people I guess contribute to that to act cool. I don't buy into fads.
 

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I suggest everyone want to bash GW should show us his GW card.
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most people bashing as the ones with no GW card,and they are late to downgrade party and they didn't have to use GW when it first release.
They just trying to be "COOL" and do what other people is doing "hate gw and you are cool"
seriously little bandwagon pricks 6 months ago I recall people still bragging about how great gateway is,same for Rxtools people loosing their shit over Rxtools and now the same people talking mad shit bunch of bandwagon pricks worse than iOS users
 

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