Nintendo's next-generation console is codenamed 'NX'

WhiteMaze · Mar 24, 2015

Taleweaver said:
First of all, your opinion (of which I think you have against anyone who disagrees with you, so I don't feel offended).

Second of all, welcome to forums. The thread would be equally long, if not longer, if the news said that nintendo was NOT working on a new console. Probably with the same participants as nay-sayers.

You've chosen a bad example for a mobile game. The Zelda games that used the touchscreen for controls (phantom hourglass, spirit tracks) were considered the worst ones. And the "it's still Zelda" certainly doesn't hold up if you bring the CD-i into things.

Again: your common sense fails to address the fact that those subscription based programs are business-related. Here's a story from my days: one of our employees had us order some fancy-ass graphic program (it wasn't photoshop, but something similar). As is usual, it went through all stages of purchases because "he really needed it for his work". Despite already working fine without it for years. So the moment it came through (in a fine case and with a color manual of over 200 pages), we immediately warned the guy. Alas, he was 'busy', so we couldn't install it that day. He'd get back to us. After a few days, we sent him a reminder mail. Then called again the next week. And so on for nearly a month. You see where this is going? It's business logic. Since it's not your own money you're spending, there is no reason to hold back. The guy most likely wanted to put knowledge of that program on his resume, and his boss probably just had to spend his budget (or else he would have gotten a smaller budget the next year). It's about prestige and power. If nothing else, it showed that guy what he could get away with in the company (it wouldn't surprise me if he asked for a raise that same month). By the time it was found out that the program wasn't really needed to begin with, management was too embarrassed to admit it.
Now compare that to a subscription based service. Not only is the initial cost much lower so it can be granted to the entire department aside from "that guy" who complains the hardest, there is actual reason to check who actually USES the stuff on a monthly basis. And cancel it out on 'those guys' who just wanted it on their resume.
You can believe they changed their model to increase sales, and I won't contest that...but I was talking about actual profits on their end. If you sell your stuff for 1/50th of the price, you need to sell 50 times as much...on a monthly basis. What you're leaving out of the equation is the fact that there are now plenty of much cheaper or even free alternatives available.

I see your point. But we are talking about big, well established companies, with highly sought after products, such as Adobe or Nintendo.

The subscription based model works for big companies, because if you drop the price, the sales increase due to the amount of people who wanted your product in the first place, and that can now buy it.

Photoshop or Nintendo games, are two of the worlds most wanted items, so I believe this will work well. I could never afford Photoshop, until they introduced the monthly subscription service. I went from not having even a single copy of Photoshop, to having almost all of their products at my disposal (Photoshop, illustrator, flash, etc).

Either way I guess time will tell.

Another thing though, when I mentioned playing Zelda games, I did not mean to play using touch controls. All you need is a Bluetooth controller for less than 30$ and your good to go. All the games I play on my mobiles have control support. I wouldn't have it any other way.

I would love to be able to play Zelda, Super smash, Metroid or Mario Party on my tablet.

Bladexdsl · Mar 25, 2015

Snugglevixen said:
BTW, EBGames Australia is already taking preorders. I wouldn't get hopes up but it could be a sign Nintendo has provided a 2016 launch window to a few companies.

so the wiiu dead in 2016 confirmed

VinsCool · Mar 25, 2015

Bladexdsl said:
so the wiiu dead in 2016 confirmed

Not so fast. I already is.

Bladexdsl · Mar 25, 2015

nah it's going out with a blaze of glory this year with zelda, star fox and X

Taleweaver · Mar 25, 2015

WhiteMaze said:
The subscription based model works for big companies, because if you drop the price, the sales increase due to the amount of people who wanted your product in the first place, and that can now buy it.

Photoshop or Nintendo games, are two of the worlds most wanted items, so I believe this will work well. I could never afford Photoshop, until they introduced the monthly subscription service. I went from not having even a single copy of Photoshop, to having almost all of their products at my disposal (Photoshop, illustrator, flash, etc).

I'm sure quite some photoshop pirates reverted to a legal version once they could afford it, but I maintain my stance of being doubtful that those extra customers are enough to compensate for the lower price for everyone. It'll also be hard to sell them a new version. If we go by your '1000 bucks vs 20 bucks/month', it'll mean they will have to use it for four years before the same amount of revenue is gained (without any months out inbetween). I'm not familiar with photoshop releases, but I wager they have new versions inbetween those. As a subscriber, it's certainly good news, but even if the new version has a slightly higher monthly fee, you won't spend money on both.

And again: photoshop and games are different products entirely, so there's no use directly comparing it. Depending on your hobby/job, you will need to use photoshop regularly. On games, this won't happen. Single player games would be played for a month at most, and most multiplayer games rely on the extra work put into them to keep them profitable (along with the 'world of warcraft' name, I might add

). And ninty certainly doesn't have any knowledge in that latter front.
If you want to compare things, at least do it with xbox live and PS+. Subscribers stay there because they offer more than just the product. They offer online services, price reductions and even free games on a monthly basis. That sort of subscription may be successful, depending on how well nintendo can pull it off (though they're currently not leaning in that direction at all).

WhiteMaze said:
Another thing though, when I mentioned playing Zelda games, I did not mean to play using touch controls. All you need is a Bluetooth controller for less than 30$ and your good to go. All the games I play on my mobiles have control support. I wouldn't have it any other way.

I would love to be able to play Zelda, Super smash, Metroid or Mario Party on my tablet.

The whole point of playing on your phone/tablet is because it's easy to take it with you on the go. Having to take an extra bluetooth controller with you defeats that advantage. It's also not that easy to hold the controller with both hands and have the phone magically float in mid-air before you either. Which is probably the reason I never see anyone play that way on the train (despite there being quite a number of bluetooth controllers available).
What's even worse for nintendo is that if it doesn't come with their system, they can't count on everyone having the same controllers. And that will directly impact the experience.

As for your wish...doesn't dolphin already have an android port? It'll probably require some heavy tablet to get it working (like the nvidia shield), but it's not exactly new.

cracker · Mar 25, 2015

My 2¢ of guessing:
It might be a cloud-based service to play games that you own on your phone, tablet, N3DS, Wii/U, PC, etc. and pick up where you last left off on another device.

Network (X)Crossover

heartgold · Mar 25, 2015

Looks be something different as I suspected, not related to 3DS nor Wii U line. Hopefully they are done with the Wii and DS direction, so a change is wise after low sales of 3DS and absolute failure Wii U.

Nintendo NX: ‘Expanding on existing hardware is dull’

http://metro.co.uk/2015/03/25/nintendo-nx-expanding-on-existing-hardware-is-dull-5119620/

Deleted member 473940 · Mar 25, 2015

I have a feeling it's gonna have something to do with VR.
Every company is fucking jumping on the VR hype.

grossaffe · Mar 25, 2015

Taleweaver said:
It's also not that easy to hold the controller with both hands and have the phone magically float in mid-air before you either. Which is probably the reason I never see anyone play that way on the train (despite there being quite a number of bluetooth controllers available).

That's what these wonderful things are for.

WhiteMaze · Mar 25, 2015

Taleweaver said:
I'm sure quite some photoshop pirates reverted to a legal version once they could afford it, but I maintain my stance of being doubtful that those extra customers are enough to compensate for the lower price for everyone. It'll also be hard to sell them a new version. If we go by your '1000 bucks vs 20 bucks/month', it'll mean they will have to use it for four years before the same amount of revenue is gained (without any months out inbetween). I'm not familiar with photoshop releases, but I wager they have new versions inbetween those. As a subscriber, it's certainly good news, but even if the new version has a slightly higher monthly fee, you won't spend money on both.

And again: photoshop and games are different products entirely, so there's no use directly comparing it. Depending on your hobby/job, you will need to use photoshop regularly. On games, this won't happen. Single player games would be played for a month at most, and most multiplayer games rely on the extra work put into them to keep them profitable (along with the 'world of warcraft' name, I might add ). And ninty certainly doesn't have any knowledge in that latter front.
If you want to compare things, at least do it with xbox live and PS+. Subscribers stay there because they offer more than just the product. They offer online services, price reductions and even free games on a monthly basis. That sort of subscription may be successful, depending on how well nintendo can pull it off (though they're currently not leaning in that direction at all).

The whole point of playing on your phone/tablet is because it's easy to take it with you on the go. Having to take an extra bluetooth controller with you defeats that advantage. It's also not that easy to hold the controller with both hands and have the phone magically float in mid-air before you either. Which is probably the reason I never see anyone play that way on the train (despite there being quite a number of bluetooth controllers available).
What's even worse for nintendo is that if it doesn't come with their system, they can't count on everyone having the same controllers. And that will directly impact the experience.

As for your wish...doesn't dolphin already have an android port? It'll probably require some heavy tablet to get it working (like the nvidia shield), but it's not exactly new.

Well yeh, but my tablet ain't that powerfull to run dolphin games at acceptable speeds.

As for the discussion at hand, I don't think having a BT controller, defeats anything. In the eyes of the casual gamer, you'll also have to carry extra hardware, if you choose to buy a Nintendo 3DS: The 3DS itself. So mobile will always win on that front:

Money wise: 30$ BT controller vs 200$ 3DS (not including games)

Portability wise: Play with touch controls or BT controller vs always having to carry your 3DS + games.

So you see, the extra here will always be the dedicated gaming hardware. On the eyes of the casual gamer, they will always go for the 30$ controller, rather than the 200$ alternative, that doesnt let you play on any other device rather than the 3DS.

For instance, I've bought an iPega 9025, and I love it to death:

You could argue that you also have to buy a phone. Well that's true. And good phones cost much more than a 3DS.

The difference here, is that a phone is something you'll always need and carry with you. Unlike the 3DS, that is a luxury.

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EDIT2: Nevermind, image size reduced.

Taleweaver · Mar 25, 2015

Cool devise, guys. And I've got to admit I was very fond of my xperia play (which actually is one of the few smartphones that actually fits your pockets without extra gear AND has buttons). So what are you suggesting? That nintendo's NX platform is something similar? Something so DeNa's games can be played "the way they were meant to be played"?

(this isn't sarcasm, by the way. Ninty has more than enough hardware knowledge to flood the android/iOS market with popular smartphone add-ons...assuming they want to go there).

WhiteMaze said:
You could argue that you also have to buy a phone. Well that's true. And good phones cost much more than a 3DS.

The difference here, is that a phone is something you'll always need and carry with you. Unlike the 3DS, that is a luxury.

Erm...

Why yes. Yes, I AM arguing that you also have to buy a phone. Which is only as obvious as it can be. What I don't get is why you invalidate your own claim (if you understand that comparing a 30 bucks bluetooth controller with a 300 bucks 3DS is incorrect, why do you bring it up in the first place?).

WhiteMaze · Mar 25, 2015

Taleweaver said:
Cool devise, guys. And I've got to admit I was very fond of my xperia play (which actually is one of the few smartphones that actually fits your pockets without extra gear AND has buttons). So what are you suggesting? That nintendo's NX platform is something similar? Something so DeNa's games can be played "the way they were meant to be played"?

(this isn't sarcasm, by the way. Ninty has more than enough hardware knowledge to flood the android/iOS market with popular smartphone add-ons...assuming they want to go there).

Erm...

Why yes. Yes, I AM arguing that you also have to buy a phone. Which is only as obvious as it can be. What I don't get is why you invalidate your own claim (if you understand that comparing a 30 bucks bluetooth controller with a 300 bucks 3DS is incorrect, why do you bring it up in the first place?).

I'll try to explain, think of it this way:

You can either buy a computer, or a PS4 to play games.

The computer will always be more expensive than the PS4.

However, a computer is something you will need for your daily needs ( internet, work, and whatever else in the sea of functionality the PC offers).

So if you buy a computer, you already have the ability to play games, ALONG with all the other necessities covered.

If you buy a PS4, you will have your gaming needs covered. Period. Now you've spent the money on a PS4 + the money for a new computer. So you can see which one is the extra.

Same thing applies to the discussion at hand. A 3DS covers your gaming needs, but it won't let you call your girlfriend. A phone, will let you do both.

That is part of the reason why mobile gaming has been swallowing so much of the casual gamers market.

grossaffe · Mar 25, 2015

Taleweaver said:
Cool devise, guys. And I've got to admit I was very fond of my xperia play (which actually is one of the few smartphones that actually fits your pockets without extra gear AND has buttons). So what are you suggesting? That nintendo's NX platform is something similar? Something so DeNa's games can be played "the way they were meant to be played"?

I'm certainly suggesting nothing of the sort; I just love my little ipega controller that is functional, portable, and affordable (I'm looking at you, icontrolpad!) . I'm not really doing any speculating on the NX because it's really far away from being a thing. I'm pretty sure the announcement of it was merely to assure people that Nintendo is not leaving the hardware business. All they really revealed is that they are working on new hardware, and the reality is that after they release a console, they're already working on its successor.

Syphos · Apr 2, 2015

I have some theories about the NX...

A. ) They will turn your TV into 3D by supplying special 3D glasses. (somehow boring)
A2. ) They will turn your TV into 3D, by using the Gamepad in front of it. So you have to see through the gamepad it to see 3D.
A3. ) The gamepad will have 3D, same as the 3DS. (most possible)
B. ) They will have your android phone connect to your NX, so you can play everywhere.
C. ) Games on your smartphone will interact with the NX via NNID.
D. ) Oculus Rift.

Things, that the NX WILL have for sure:

- NFC connectivity for Amiibo.
- WiiU game compatibility.
- 3DS compatibility.
- HDMI output (lol)

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