Hacking Wii U Hacking & Homebrew Discussion

the_randomizer · Jan 14, 2015

drmr said:
Yes. That's exactly what it is: Hacking for sport. Since nobody is interested in actual Homebrew anymore, noone stands to gain from releasing anything. Other than warezors, of course. But can you blame f0f for not wanting to be associated by name with a scene that exclusively deals in warez?

Please, do tell the tale about how you improved the scene. You of all people, stirring drama and whining and bitching about everyone and everyone else. From you I have seen nothing but thousands of posts motivated by entitlement.

Who are you again? No one loses from releasing it either, do they? If there's no harm in keeping it for sport, there's no harm or loss in releasing it either. The fact it was kept in secret for two years means releasing it won't make it any worse. How have I improved the scene? How have you improve the scene?

VinsCool · Jan 14, 2015

Summersett said:
*grabs popcorn as drama continues*

the_randomizer · Jan 14, 2015

Kelton2 said:
Can this thread please go back to discussing Wii U hacking instead of becoming a homebrew vs piracy or releasing stuff vs not releasing stuff debate?

The Wii U scene is starting to pick up steam, I like it, things will begin to happen, at least with slightly more ease methinks

endoverend · Jan 14, 2015

I heard from comex's twitter that the common key was leaked last night?

VinsCool · Jan 14, 2015

endoverend said:
I heard from comex's twitter that the common key was leaked last night?

I thought it was today?

filfat · Jan 14, 2015

Alright. let me get this straight. The common key were leaked?
Isn't common key the one used on NUS?

Kelton2 said:
I:
A. Want piracy.
B. Don't understand why people don't release shit.

Hey, i see you like piracy. Wanna join me and rob a bank later?

endoverend · Jan 14, 2015

filfat said:
Alright. let me get this straight. The common key were leaked?
Isn't common key the one used on NUS?
Hey, i see you like piracy. Wanna join me and rob a bank later?

Yes, I believe it is used on NUS to decrypt IOSU. It is a simple 16 byte string.

marcan_troll · Jan 14, 2015

Theeze said:
The same issue with the PS3 Scene. Everyone leeched off of Geohot's initial discovery which resulted in the ps3jailbreak dongles and eventually to cfw. Imagine how far that scene could have gone, if they shared everything.

With the PS3, we shared everything. It was an experiment, to see if the community could handle building a homebrew community without handholding. It couldn't - all we got was warez tools, waninkoko bricking consoles, and a lawsuit to deal with for naught. That was pretty much the signal that homebrew on home consoles is going downhill.

Homebrew on home consoles had a reasonably good run - one generation (PS2/Xbox/GC) happened when security was in its infancy, hardware was still simple enough to understand, and the hardware required was "free" or affordable. Then the Wii really peaked, since the community could leverage most of the GC work, there were even more free exploits to serve as an entry point, and persistence was easy. The 360 was a good example of what was to come security-wise, and the PS3 a good example of what was to come complexity-wise. The community couldn't handle those - even when exploits appeared, all that happened was piracy. Now we're in the next generation, and it's time to admit that consoles have become too complex for small teams of homebrew developers to truly understand. The only potentially saving point is that both the Xbox One and the PS4 are "basically" PCs, so if you can just take over the console completely, you could throw a desktop OS on it and maybe reuse most of existing drivers developed for PCs. But with the ability to buy a comparatively powered HTPC for a similar price as a game console, and things like smart TVs taking over some of the use cases (there's a good reason why some of the most popular homebrew apps for PS2/Xbox/Wii were media players), the interest just isn't there.

If you want to prove me wrong, feel free to bootstrap a proper homebrew community and development tools. If you want warez, go fuck yourself.

filfat · Jan 14, 2015

endoverend said:
Yes, I believe it is used on NUS to decrypt IOSU. It is a simple 16 byte string.

Good, that should allow us access to the webbrowser binaries(if i remember correctly) which would make future ROP chains ALOT easier.

VinsCool · Jan 14, 2015

Kelton2 said:
No thanks, I don't support general crime. I just live in a country (usa is a lie btw) where games are wayyyy too expensive.

you didn't get the joke.

endoverend · Jan 14, 2015

filfat said:
Good, that should allow us access to the webbrowser binaries(if i remember correctly) which would make future ROP chains ALOT easier.

I think the private key is needed as well though...

filfat · Jan 14, 2015

endoverend said:
I think the private key is needed as well though...

yeah ofc

the_randomizer · Jan 14, 2015

Kelton2 said:
I did, I was just pointing out why I support piracy. I'm not some asshole who doesn't want to pay for his games- the prices are just too unreasonable.

Shall we get back to the Wii U hacking topic? I don't want this to close for, reasons. Anyways, so now we have another piece, we need to figure out what can be done with it, how it'll help the scene and so on.

filfat · Jan 14, 2015

-snip-

the_randomizer · Jan 14, 2015

Kelton2 said:
So can someone clarify something for me- what can the common key we have now do? I understand that in combination with the Ancast key it can do..... something good, but what?

I'm not entirely sure myself, I know it's needed, but it doesn't decrypt the IOSU.

marcan_troll · Jan 14, 2015

the_randomizer said:
Shall we get back to the Wii U hacking topic? I don't want this to close for, reasons. Anyways, so now we have another piece, we need to figure out what can be done with it, how it'll help the scene and so on.

Kelton2 said:
So can someone clarify something for me- what can the common key we have now do? I understand that in combination with the Ancast key it can do..... something good, but what?

the_randomizer said:
I'm not entirely sure myself, I know it's needed, but it doesn't decrypt the IOSU.

See this instructional video:

Seriously, I can't decide whether to laugh or cry every time someone here posts a comment like that. "Figure out what can be done with it"? Anyone with half a chance of actually making the slightest progress for the scene already knows exactly what to do with it, because we already explained exactly what the keys do (and it works similarly as it did on the Wii anyway, with a few additions), and would've had decrypted versions of everything that matters within minutes of it being posted. The only thing that the_randomizer and all the similar clueless morons that lurk in these threads are doing is waste time and posts and drive away those who might actually care. This place must be the dream of any psychologists studying the Dunning-Kruger effect. And people wonder why the scene isn't making any progress (and blame us for it).

TheLoneWolfe · Jan 14, 2015

Kelton2 said:
That was nice.... (sarcasm) Look, I don't know what the key does- how long does it really take to write down an explanation?

How long does it take to read a couple pages of this thread?

marcan_troll · Jan 14, 2015

Kelton2 said:
That was nice.... (sarcasm) Look, I don't know what the key does- how long does it really take to write down an explanation?

You mean like this one?

crwys · Jan 14, 2015

marcan_troll said:
See this instructional video:

Seriously, I can't decide whether to laugh or cry every time someone here posts a comment like that. "Figure out what can be done with it"? Anyone with half a chance of actually making the slightest progress for the scene already knows exactly what to do with it, because we already explained exactly what the keys do (and it works similarly as it did on the Wii anyway, with a few additions), and would've had decrypted versions of everything that matters within minutes of it being posted. The only thing that the_randomizer and all the similar clueless morons that lurk in these threads are doing is waste time and posts and drive away those who might actually care. This place must be the dream of any psychologists studying the Dunning-Kruger effect. And people wonder why the scene isn't making any progress (and blame us for it).

Well if you do either you have some issues or a weird sense of humor. Butt hurt jokes aside, they are curious, I am too. I don't go around asking questions but the questions I would have asked, have already been asked anyways. I don't see what is wrong with people asking simple questions which don't regard to piracy or emulators. If it has been answered before I could understand a small frustration, and maybe then such repeatedly asked information should be added to the first post or one of the pinned threads.
If you have such a big problem with a question like this being asked, then you should probably refrain from reading this thread. Your post was unnecessary.

NWPlayer123 · Jan 14, 2015

marcan_troll said:
I find it interesting that the key was posted to Twitter less than 24h after you joined the channel and MN1 got the key. What's more likely, that MN1 and your sharing the key ended up with it being leaked, or that the hypothetical other people with it just happened to choose the same day to release it?

FWIW, Relys PMed *me* the key at one point, though that happened 3 minutes after the public tweet; I don't know if he was reacting to that or not, but he didn't mention getting the key from you at the time, even though he clearly did as you state. But let's be honest here, there's more than enough shenanigans going on and uncertainty as to who got what when in the past day that it's exceedingly unlikely that someone else who hypothetically had the key leaked it, unrelated to MN1 getting it.

What this goes on to show is that we chose the right trustworthy people to be in that channel for the past 2 years (who have had the key all along). As far as I'm concerned 2 years is a pretty impressive time to keep the common key safe and yet in the hands of quite a few veteran Wii homebrewers.

And I stand by my bet that, given what I've seen about interest in Wii U homebrew (or lack thereof) by experienced folks, we won't be seeing any major resurgence in interest and development this year. Warez, OTOH, will likely happen. We'll see how nintendo plays the cat and mouse game this time around.

At least we've been open with everything we're working on. You all have been silent since the beginning after those little snippets when you were hacking it. I'd rather others know what's going on without letting Nintendo hinder us then just going silent and expecting others to do the same work you did. It's the same attitude - "prove you're worthy and maybe we'll help you". But I digress, drama is utterly useless.

The only thing you can really do that the average user would be interested in is decrypt any of the Wii U ISOs the "scene" has released.

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