There are only two genders. Change my mind.

[GhostLatte]

Please keep this civil.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Gender is an outdated concept and you can present as basically anything you want to. In that sense sex and gender aren't equal, but in the same way that one can have many different sexual orientations, there's also a spectrum ranging from masculine and feminine presenting that a person might chose to present as

 

[gamesquest1]

want me to convince you the earth is flat too?

seriously though people seem to have conflated personality, interests hobbies and kinks with gender at this point though, there has always been masculine females and feminine males and people who dress up in weird outfits for sex, we don't need to make new genders for every single different thing or every combination of things someone decides they want to do

 

[Navonod]

Biologically there are only two genders or to be more specific two sexual "tools" in our biological make up. I'd like to hear a compelling argument as well.

 

[ShadowOne333]

Same here, I agree with OP (what's there to NOT agree with?)
Our DNA is made to basically have either chromosomes XX or XY.
Sure there are some instances where someone might be born with the sexual organs of both male and females, like it's the case of Intersex/Hermaphrodite, but taking into account nature and our genetic makeup of the human as it is, there is only female and male.

If you are a transvestite, a transsexual, a Trans-Am, a transylvanian or whatever, or have god-knows whatever sexual orientation or social tendecy (because damn I don't know where people come up with that stuff), it's a matter of psycology and personal preference, it's not a "sex" by nature.

 

[DarthDub]

It's times like these where I wish gender was tied to sex to avoid confusion, but that's not how it works.

 

[KiiWii]

I filled out a form this week that asked "male/female".

I was shook.

 

[osaka35]

Let's define some terms before continuing. This is important. Most people conflate many concepts, or have incomplete understanding.

Sex - Biological.
Gender - Social.

Gender is just "oh hey, this is how this sex kind of looks", and you humans kind of just build loads of stuff into that definition. Men do and look like this, women do and look like this, men have more of this, women have more of this, etc. a two-gender system is just kind of a...stereotype of how one of the two most common sex expresses itself. And like a stereotype, it has a lot of falsehoods baked into the assumption. Think of folks fighting against a strict 2 gender system as fighting against stereotypes. As gender is way of saying, this is how people express their sex. So some folks are fine with 2, some are fine with a varying scale of attributes.

Sex is biological. and *usually* has just two. But genetics is not super strict like most folks think so. Someone could have XXY and be male, but have a lot of female attributes. sometimes you can be XY and have mainly female attributes because of hormones. It would be difficult for these people to fit into any gender norm, so for these people in particular, it can be difficult.

So yeah, "only two genders" is just kind of...vagueness so you don't have to think too hard about things. But once you get into it and look closely, it's nowhere near descriptive of reality.

 

[dimmidice]

Biologically there are only two sexes. Gender is a social construct, and as society changes we may end up with a thousand. Now i honestly think it's a little bit iffy to add on more genders. I can agree to a third for the few people who fall beyond the standard male/female. But most of those will still identify as male or female.
Anything more than three is completely pointless tbh.

 

[ShadowOne333]

One important point to make:
Who the hell would want to find a bathroom from 72 door choices? :^}
Fuck no I prefer to have only 2 doors in any food place, thank you

 

[QCLasky]

I agree with OP
There is only XX and XY.
Even if a guy cut of his dick, implant tits and use hormones it wont turn him on a woman. You cant change DNA

 

[TotalInsanity4]

want me to convince you the earth is flat too?

seriously though people seem to have conflated personality, interests hobbies and kinks with gender at this point though, there has always been masculine females and feminine males and people who dress up in weird outfits for sex, we don't need to make new genders for every single different thing or every combination of things someone decides they want to do

There's nothing sexual about someone who presents as either intersex or the opposite gender as they were born, though. It's a purely personal choice that they present daily, rather than just for the bedroom. It's not a kink, nor should it be

 

[ShadowOne333]

I agree with OP
There is only XX and XY.
Even if a guy cut of his dick, implant tits and use hormones it wont turn him on a woman. You cant change DNA

I mean, you can try radioactive materials, perhaps that will change your DNA beyond recognition, but I doubt radiation can make you change sex

 

[dimmidice]

This topic is about gender, not sex though.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Same here, I agree with OP (what's there to NOT agree with?)
Our DNA is made to basically have either chromosomes XX or XY.
Sure there are some instances where someone might be born with the sexual organs of both male and females, like it's the case of Intersex/Hermaphrodite, but taking into account nature and our genetic makeup of the human as it is, there is only female and male.

If you are a transvestite, a transsexual, a Trans-Am, a transylvanian or whatever, or have god-knows whatever sexual orientation (because damn I don't know where people come up with that stuff), it's a matter of psycology and personal preference, it's not a "sex" by nature.

See, gender IS psychological, whereas sex (not sexual orientation) is the physical aspect

This topic is about gender, not sex though.

Exactly

 

[QCLasky]

See, gender IS psychological, whereas sex (not sexual orientation) is the physical aspect

So if I believe im an angel that means I dont have a gender at all?

 

[TangentingTangerines]

So remember kids, when you use the term gender, you're using the unproven terminology of a mad scientist, who happily committed human experimentation, tortured a pair of twin boys, drove them both to suicide, and got away with it!

 

[TotalInsanity4]

So if I believe im an angel that means I dont have a gender at all?

No, but you can be non-binary and achieve the same thing

 

[DarthDub]

No, but you can be non-binary and achieve the same thing

I refuse to identify as human. I'm a Xenomorph now

 

[KingVamp]

Maybe far into the future, someone or some people can find away to change sex as well, but then you could probably change a lot of other things too.

One important point to make:
Who the hell would want to find a proper bathroom from 72 door choices? :^}
Fuck no I prefer to have only 2 doors in any food place, thank you

Unisex bathrooms were and are a thing before genders got out of hand.