Gaming Do we finally know the truth about BOTW

[duffmmann]

You like cod too?

Not at all

 

[ShadowOne333]

it isnt really yellow through and there are just as many references to other games in all diferent timelines. If anything it could hint at a fused timeline or another alternate reality.
Here is a video that points out many flaws with the placement by the game theorist

And that's just a theory... A Lame theory
Thanks for posting the vid, I was about to do so.
But yeah, MatPat's video and explanation is flawed af, I don't know why people keep quoting him and his non-sense as the one and only evidence and confirmation that BotW is in the Downfall timeline.

It's bs, and the cap colour is the most laughable thing of it all.
Really, Game Theory's videos should be taken as mere fanfic at this point, their so called theories have some awful excuses and lame argumentation, one of the reasons why I stopped following them.

But all in all, most of the evidence shown in the overall picture is stronger for the Child timeline, that's the one I go for.
That's not to say however that there is some evidence that also mentions both the Downfall and Adult timelines, but the Child one has the most from what I've seen.

The cutscene about the other heroes from previous games explicitly mentions Skyward Sword, Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess in the English dub, but other languages do add in the one that sailed the seas, even in the same sentence as the "hero of twilight" XD

 

[ken28]

The cutscene about the other heroes from previous games explicitly mentions Skyward Sword, Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess in the English dub, but other languages do add in the one that sailed the seas, even in the same sentence as the "hero of twilight" XD

not just ohter langauge but japanese too and thats the version that should be taken serious in´this matter due it being the orginal.

 

[Edgy_Edge]

I think Nintendo fucked up Zelda's timeline from the beginning, so now they just milk money from the known and beloved IP. It's like looking for a timeline in Mario games.
So just enjoy the game and don't try to connect it to any other Zelda game.

 

[ken28]

I think Nintendo fucked up Zelda's timeline from the beginning, so now they just milk money from the known and beloved IP. It's like looking for a timeline in Mario games.
So just enjoy the game and don't try to connect it to any other Zelda game.

there wasnt a timelien to begin with if you ask me. they just made it up mid was through the series due fan demand.

 

[Edgy_Edge]

there wasnt a timelien to begin with if you ask me. they just made it up mid was through the series due fan demand.

Exactly. At least with Metroid they tried to stick to timeline. But Zelda it's just for fun, like Mario. I think it's a biggest bullshit that Skyward sword is the beginning of the timeline)
Spoilers about whole Zelda timeline including BOTW:

 

[ShadowOne333]

I just took a peek at the German translation for the first memory (Subdued Memory), and there is no mention of the "one that sailed the seas".
They still refer to Skyward, Ocarina and Twilight specifically.

I also verified all the other European and Latin American translations for it, and NONE of them mentions the "sailed the seas".
They all refer to the same three Links I mentioned before.

The only one I am missing is the Japanese one (and the important one that is).
I could interpret all of the other languages due to my basic knowledge on them and Latin studies, but not Japanese.

Here's the exact text used for that memory in Japanese, can someone help me translate it?
Or at least transcribe it in actual kanji so that I can take a shot at translating it?

 

[ken28]

I just took a peek at the German translation for the first memory (Subdued Memory), and there is no mention of the "one that sailed the seas".
They still refer to Skyward, Ocarina and Twilight specifically.

i just rechecked too and indeed it didnt. was sure it did.

and neither does seem to do the japanese version. it mention the twilight, the time and the sky.

"even if it dance in the sky and dance around the time and dusk/twilight" is what google say.
Still the mentioning of twilight would speak for the child timeline.

 

[ShadowOne333]

i just rechecked too and indeed it didnt. was sure it did.

and neither does seem to do the japanese version. it mention the twilight, the time and the sky.

"even if it dance in the sky and dance around the time and dusk/twilight" is what google say.
Still the mentioning of twilight would speak for the child timeline.

Thank you!
I also took the time and transcribed the Japanese katakana and hiragana from that exact sentence:

そらをまい, ときをめくり, たそがれにそまろうとも...

So yeah, no mention of "the one that sailed the seas" in Japanese neither.
It's ALWAYS Skyward Sword, Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess.

Theories debunked, boys.
It's the Child timeline, no doubt

 

[ken28]

also here is the kanji
そら お まい とき お まわり たそがれ に そまろうとも

 

[ShadowOne333]

also here is the kanji
そら お まい とき お まわり たそがれ に そまろうとも

Check above you
I edited the post, I transcribed it myself haha.
But thanks eitherway!

 

[duffmmann]

I know people have always taken issue with the idea that the timeline had a 3 way split where one timeline has Link die. But I don't honestly see why that's such a big deal. First of all I love it because it proves that Link's success is not a guarantee. And I furthermore like it because its not even the first instance of us having an idea of what would happen should Link fail. In Zelda II The Adventure of Link, anytime you get a game over you get the message: Return of Ganon, meaning as I recall, Link's blood was used to resurrect Ganon. We knew since the second game that if Link should die, their could be horrible consequences. On this same train of thought, I'd love to see a Zelda game based in that split of the timeline from Zelda II, a Zelda game where Ganon has reigned for ages after the failure of that Link, as that world hopefully awaited another hero to return light to the land (which I realize is kind of what Breath of the Wild did, but that hero didn't die, and he was only gone for 100 years, I'm talking a much longer time of the world being in peril under Ganon's rule).

 

[Lacius]

While far from definitive, here are the top reasons to think Breath of the Wild takes place in the Child Timeline:

1. Princess Zelda mentions, in order, Skyward Sword, Ocarina of Time, and Twilight Princess as the history of the Master Sword. There are variations in the different localizations regarding the off-screen audio only, but the opening part of the speech, with text, is consistent across localizations. In the English localization of off-screen audio, for example, the alleged reference to A Link to the Past and The Wind Waker goes something like "across the seas of space and time," which isn't actually a direct reference to anything.
2. In the summer DLC pack, it includes an in-game story about the thief Misko explicitly stealing, among other things, a replica of the helmet Midna wore that the royal family gathered in an attempt to collect artifacts significant to the history of Hyrule. The canonicity of the DLC pack is questionable, but if this isn't canon, neither is the in-game story content of the winter DLC pack.
3. As of Ocarina of Time, the Gorons lived on Death Mountain, and the Zora lived in Zora's Domain. In the Adult Timeline, Hyrule is flooded. The Gorons become traveling merchants, and the Zora evolve into the Rito. In the Fallen Hero Timeline, the Gorons and the Zora are displaced from Hyrule entirely, if not killed off. In Breath of the Wild, the Zora still live in Zora's Domain, and the Gorons still live at Death Mountain. It's possible they could have returned later in the Fallen Timeline, but that requires a lot of mental gymnastics, and the simplest option is Breath of the Wild takes place in the Child Timeline.
4. The Gorons have various Gorons important to Goron history carved into a Death Mountain rock face. One is Darunia from Ocarina of Time, and one is Gor Coron from Twilight Princess.
5. There appear to be various landmarks from Twilight Princess present in Breath of the Wild. To name a few, Hyrule Castle is clearly the design from Twilight Princess, the Goron Mines from Twilight Princess are present, and the Great Bridge of Hylia from Twilight Princess is present.

I'm not aware of any real reason to think Breath of the Wild takes place in the Fallen Hero Timeline, and the only real reason I can think of to think it might take place in the Adult Timeline is the presence of the Rito and the Koroks.

 

[ShadowOne333]

I'm not aware of any real reason to think Breath of the Wild takes place in the Fallen Hero Timeline, and the only real reason I can think of to think it might take place in the Adult Timeline is the presence of the Rito and the Koroks.

The Rito and Koroks could easily live in the same place as the Zora and Kokiris if we take into consideration evolution by itself.
A certain portion of the Zoras could have evolved into the Rito, while others simply stayed in their fish forms.
Evolution further cements this, as there are several species co-existing with each other derived from the same evolution chain.

There are way too much clues and evidence about the Child Timeline to take the other two into consideration.
The Downfall and Adult timelines have way too little evidence, if at all.
Child timeline outweights them, easily.

 

[Lacius]

The Rito and Koroks could easily live in the same place as the Zora and Kokiris if we take into consideration evolution by itself.
The certain portion of the Zoras could have evolved into the Rito, while others simply stayed in their fish forms.
Evolution further cements this, as there are several species co-existing with each other derived from the same evolution chain.

There are way too much clues and evidence about the Child Timeline to take the other two into consideration.
The Downfall and Adult timelines have way too little evidence, if at all.

I agree completely. There's no reason the Koroks and Rito couldn't exist in the Child Timeline or Fallen Hero Timeline.

 

[Xzi]

who cares? Game was a 7/10 anyway

You're thinking of vanilla Skyrim. BotW was at least an 8.5 and a much more enjoyable open-world game than most. Granted, SMO is the better game between the two, but it's not really open-world, either.

 

[ShadowOne333]

Oh btw here's the full kanji transcribed:

空を濃い 時を廻り 黄昏に染まろうとも...

Still nothing specifically mentioning Wind Waker or the Adult timeline in there.

 

[ken28]

I agree completely. There's no reason the Koroks and Rito couldn't exist in the Child Timeline or Fallen Hero Timeline.

Or the shika of old developed tech that allowed them to acsses other realtiees in some fashion and one of the test resulted in some exemplars of this species to cross over to botw reality

 

[Lacius]

Or the shika of old developed tech that allowed them to acsses other realtiees in some fashion and one of the test resulted in some exemplars of this species to cross over to botw reality

That's far from the simplest explanation, so we can't say it's very likely.

 

[Noctosphere]

Exactly. At least with Metroid they tried to stick to timeline. But Zelda it's just for fun, like Mario. I think it's a biggest bullshit that Skyward sword is the beginning of the timeline)
Spoilers about whole Zelda timeline including BOTW:

I understand why you say this is total bullshit
Just by seeing Hyrule Warrior in it
It's already confirmed by ninty that this game is a spin off and not part of the timeline