Van hits muslims on their way out from prayer

[Abu_Senpai]

Us going there and leaving too early is what caused ISIS to be born. If we were do this we can't make the same mistake again. (which we will)

You dont get my point. i mean we send EVERYONE!! all 6 world armies by the THOUSANDS into isis territory

 

[Stephano]

Then I'd have to disagree.

And you are free to do so. I have been proven many things on both sides of this coin. Its hard to make out what is truth and what is not. Everyone is free do disagree and that is awesome. I just need to see more of everything to make a firm opinion. I didn't mean to offend anyone, hopefully you can understand why i am caught.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

You dont get my point. i mean we send EVERYONE!! all 6 world armies by the THOUSANDS into isis territory

lol a few bombs would ruin them.

 

[Mansize]

Of course, I'm not saying the psychology of terrorism is simple. What I am saying is that the logic behind a successful terrorist organisation often is.

Yeah so I'd say it is logical for a terrorist to sacrifice fellow believers for the greater cause in some cases, especially when you believe in predestination. "Kill them all. God will know his own."

Ignoring that this is otherwise completely psychotic, of course.

 

[Abu_Senpai]

lol a few bombs would ruin them.

NO!! BOMBS are not the way to do it. hand to hand is better and alot less chance of killing the innocents

 

[CallmeBerto]

Yeah the problem with bombs is that we are never sure we are only killing them. Though killing them all won't solve the problem per say as it's an idea and ideas are really hard to kill. You need to change the way people think. Unfortunally it might be too late for those who already joined.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

And you are free to do so. I have been proven many things on both sides of this coin. Its hard to make out what is truth and what is not. Everyone is free do disagree and that is awesome. I just need to see more of everything to make a firm opinion. I didn't mean to offend anyone, hopefully you can understand why i am caught.

I understand, topics surrounding religion, theism and philosophy are some of the most vague and confusing out there. I'm always for debate, a world without the freedom to do so is a world I don't want to live in.

 

[gamesquest1]

you seem to have some very interesting ideas of how everyone being treated equally works.

the thing is, as of now, its still not against the law to have radical views. not when it comes to islam, religion in general, weapons, politics or any other thing. just having views is not illegal.
which is why you can't just detain people for thought-crimes.

on the other hand, your 'non muslims throwing a bit of bacon' kinda frames the story i think you're referencing as if someone threw one piece of meat at some muslim on the street almost by accident, when it was two drunk guys, crashing a mosque during sermon, yelling obscenities and then throwing around bacon which in some way is the equivalent to crashing one of those black preaching churches, throwing bananas into the rows while imitating a monkey or something.

they were rightfully convicted on hate crime basis, to what i hear is barely a slap on the hand when it comes to minor crimes comited by muslims or black people, at least according to every other person commenting on news websites ever.

thats fact you seem to think going to prison for calling someone names and throwing bacon is absurd, meanwhile at least one of the recent terrorists was well known for spreading actual violent hatespeach and glorifying the deaths of westerners, I'm sorry but imho childish idiotic actions like the bacon incident could be easily dealt with by slapping a fine on them and a restraining order or something, prison should really be reserved for real crimes, and personally I see trying to spread a message to murder and kill innocent people as a much worse crime than calling a religion names and throwing bacon, not saying either is good, but how throwing bacon is seen as worse than spreading Isis material and trying to radicalise other muslims to commit mass murders is absurd

I have personally witnessed these kinds of double standards, a guy I know was attacked as someone tried to snatch his phone and it ended in a bit of a tussle and 2 other guys joined in, but all the attackers had to say is "he was being racist" and he ends up being told by the police in a not so subtle way to not press charges against his attackers despite being attacked by 3 guys or he will be facing the more serious "hate crime" case because they are now saying he called them *insert racist name here* even though the altercation started by one of these guys trying to grab his phone

There is no way in hell a group of white guys could attack a Muslim, try to steal his phone and then say, oh well he called us white so threaten him with our special laws to get him to drop the case, k tnx

The current social and political landscape gives any minority a trump card to play whenever they do something bad, its much easier for everyone to just say wow Gary is a nazi now, than admit that their system designed to increase equality has given some criminals a protective blanket to pretty much avoid any case even being brought against them, never mind actually being found guilty

also your analogy demonstrates racism, Islam is not a race, it's a religion, a better analogy would, be throwing bacon at christians because of the child abuse scandal, while you may very well get arrested if you refuse to leave the building you almost certainly wouldn't end up in jail for it unless you were physically violent, and it certainly wouldn't make national news....local news maybe if your lucky,

look I know there is disrespect and provocation from both sides, but to the normal average everyday guy it does seem that any case against a minorty is dealt with a much more critical light, meanwhile any case against a minority is pussy footed around and the police go to lengths to avoid the PC nightmare that comes from investing a Muslim child preditor ring as people are always ready to jump to the defence of a minority even under very strong evidence but quick to condemn anyone else even with zero proof

Basically nobody should have a easily exploitable trump card that they can use to attack other people

 

[Stephano]

I understand, topics surrounding religion, theism and philosophy are some of the most vague and confusing out there. I'm always for debate, a world without the freedom to do so is a world I don't want to live in.

I completely agree. Thanks for your understanding.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

thats fact you seem to think going to prison for calling someone names and throwing bacon is absurd, meanwhile at least one of the recent terrorists was well known for spreading actual violent hatespeach and glorifying the deaths of westerners, I'm sorry but imho childish idiotic actions like the bacon incident could be easily dealt with by slapping a fine on them and a restraining order or something, prison should really be reserved for real crimes, and personally I see trying to spread a message to murder and kill innocent people as a much worse crime than calling a religion names and throwing bacon, not saying either is good, but how throwing bacon is seen as worse than spreading Isis material and trying to radicalise other muslims to commit mass murders is absurd

I have personally witnessed these kinds of double standards, a guy I know was attacked as someone tried to snatch his phone and it ended in a bit of a tussle and 2 other guys joined in, but all the attackers had to say is "he was being racist" and he ends up being told by the police in a not so subtle way to not press charges against his attackers despite being attacked by 3 guys or he will be facing the more serious "hate crime" case because they are now saying he called them *insert racist name here* even though the altercation started by one of these guys trying to grab his phone

There is no way in hell a group of white guys could attack a Muslim, try to steal his phone and then say, oh well he called us white so threaten him with our special laws to get him to drop the case, k tnx

The current social and political landscape gives any minority a trump card to play whenever they do something bad, its much easier for everyone to just say wow Gary is a nazi now, than admit that their system designed to increase equality has given some criminals a protective blanket to pretty much avoid any case even being brought against them, never mind actually being found guilty

also your analogy demonstrates racism, Islam is not a race, it's a religion, a better analogy would, be throwing bacon at christians because of the child abuse scandal, while you may very well get arrested if you refuse to leave the building you almost certainly wouldn't end up in jail for it unless you were physically violent, and it certainly wouldn't make national news....local news maybe if your lucky,

look I know there is disrespect and provocation from both sides, but to the normal average everyday guy it does seem that any case against a minorty is dealt with a much more critical light, meanwhile any case against a minority is pussy footed around and the police go to lengths to avoid the PC nightmare that comes from investing a Muslim child preditor ring as people are always ready to jump to the defence of a minority even under very strong evidence but quick to condemn anyone else even with zero proof

Basically nobody should have a easily exploitable trump card that they can use to attack other people and

Yeah, you could chalk that all up to a shitty criminal justice system.

 

[Deleted-355425]

Yeah, you could chalk that all up to a shitty criminal justice system.

or that particular groups know how to manipulate the system.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

or that particular groups know how to manipulate the system.

Of course you'd be the one to defend our shitty government, not like it matters though, shifting the blame.

 

[gamesquest1]

Yeah, you could chalk that all up to a shitty criminal justice system.

Yeah it is a shitty political and criminal justice system, honestly the fact people would sit in threads and try justify terroists blowing up kids is sick, yet even during that event the PC police were busy going to work pushing that......well westerners did drop bombs on some other people, so it's kinda understandable that this guy who doesn't know anyone there and until he associated with head case preachers had no interest in blowing up kids would feel he had no choice

No, anyone killing anyone is a cunt, but targeting children on purpose is the lowest of the low imho, politicians need to get their thumbs out their arse and actually tackle the issue instead of hoping it will just disappear if they ignore it loud enough, the current system is only going to breed more and more resentment as more and more terrorist attacks happen and the political class sit inside their nice homes with protective detail outside and tell everyone to just carry on and pretend nobody got stabbed to death the day before

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

Yeah it is a shitty political and criminal justice system, honestly the fact people would sit in threads and try justify terroists blowing up kids is sick, yet even during that event the PC police were busy going to work pushing that......well westerners did drop bombs on some other people, so it's kinda understandable that this guy who doesn't know anyone there and until he associated with head case preachers had no interest in blowing up kids would feel he had no choice

No, anyone killing anyone is a cunt, but targeting children on purpose is the lowest of the low imho, politicians need to get their thumbs out their arse and actually tackle the issue instead of hoping it will just disappear if they ignore it loud enough

Causation never justifies the effect. It only explains it.

 

[Mansize]

The current social and political landscape gives any minority a trump card to play whenever they do something bad, its much easier for everyone to just say wow Gary is a nazi now, than admit that their system designed to increase equality has given some criminals a protective blanket to pretty much avoid any case even being brought against them, never mind actually being found guilty

also your analogy demonstrates racism, Islam is not a race, it's a religion, a better analogy would, be throwing bacon at christians because of the child abuse scandal, while you may very well get arrested if you refuse to leave the building you almost certainly wouldn't end up in jail for it unless you were physically violent, and it certainly wouldn't make national news....local news maybe if your lucky,

look I know there is disrespect and provocation from both sides, but to the normal average everyday guy it does seem that any case against a minorty is dealt with a much more critical light, meanwhile any case against a minority is pussy footed around and the police go to lengths to avoid the PC nightmare that comes from investing a Muslim child preditor ring as people are always ready to jump to the defence of a minority even under very strong evidence but quick to condemn anyone else even with zero proof

Basically nobody should have a easily exploitable trump card that they can use to attack other people and

Also, the fact that thinking only the white mind is capable of racist thoughts, is in and of itself racist. My best friend is skinny and blond, and lives in a neighbourhood where white people are rare. He has been harrassed so many times he could write a book, but the police doesnt take him seriously (even after a severe beating one time) as to the rootcause. However, I do fear there is an "atlantic gap" when posting on forums, as in the States racism might be more problematic. Whenever I read an article on "cultural appropriation" I usually roll my eyes, but I live in a neighbourhood where over 70% of the people has a non-northwestern European ethnic heritage, and everyone appropriates stuff from everyone here (in a good way), so how can I hope to understand? Also, Europe is etnically complex all by itself, so we experience stuff differenty. For example, in France alone there are 8 different native macrolanguages you can have as a mothertongue (French, Breton, Dutch, German, Italian, Occitan, Catalan and Basque), how can we hope to be understood?

 

[gamesquest1]

Causation never justifies the effect. It only explains it.

Half the bs people spread doesn't even explain it, most of the time it's just trying to excuse it

it's my logic that martyrdom simply acts as a conduit for the suicidal and depressed muslims to latch onto, while none religious folks would probably just top themselves by jumping under a train etc,(again this is a terrible issue already) when you combine this with a religion that condemns suicide (as I'm sure most do) it must be very hard for a devout Muslim to be stuck between depression and being condemned from sucicide, but......If you go to the right nut job imam you can get a pardon for your suicide you just have to kill a load of non muslims and then you can commit suicide and get a prize for it too....yay!!!

While I don't think suicide should ever be an option for people, if someone really is going to make that choice they should just do it without trying to hurt anyone else in the process

Also, the fact that thinking only the white mind is capable of racist thoughts, is in and of itself racist. My best friend is skinny and blond, and lives in a neighbourhood where white people are rare. He has been harrassed so many times he could write a book, but the police doesnt take him seriously (even after a severe beating one time) as to the rootcause. However, I do fear there is an "atlantic gap" when posting on forums, as in the States racism might be more problematic. Whenever I read an article on "cultural appropriation" I usually roll my eyes, but I live in a neighbourhood where over 70% of the people has a non-northwestern European ethnic heritage, and everyone appropriates stuff from everyone here (in a good way), so how can I hope to understand? Also, Europe is etnically complex all by itself, so we experience stuff differenty. For example, in France alone there are 8 different native macrolanguages you can have as a mothertongue (French, Breton, Dutch, German, Italian, Occitan, Catalan and Basque), how can we hope to be understood?

Yeah racist attacks on white people should be dealt with in exactly the same way as racist attacks on any other race, it seems that every other day I see some anti white racist rant from complete idiots and everyone seems to think it's acceptable

 

[Deleted User]

A normal day in planet Earth.
Not surprising, soon they will run over anything they will see, like in Carmageddon (Videogame)

 

[Deleted-355425]

A normal day in planet Earth.
Not surprising, soon they will run over anything they will see, like in Carmageddon (Videogame)

That game was awesome!

 

[Lucifer666]

If that so why do they not kill any Muslims in the UK or any other EU country on these terrorist attacks

Holy shit... the vast majority of ISIS' victims have been Muslim. Do you live under a rock by any chance

Do you even know what role they've played in the Arab spring, the Syrian lands they've occupied by massacring the natives, how they'd abduct random children in the levantine and execute them for silly reasons like 'listening to pop music'? This stuff happens CONSTANTLY, compared to the semi-frequent and heavily reported attacks in the west.

ISIS absolutely eradicated Aleppo and Palmyra. Nothing's left.

I'm truly dumbfounded that I just saw somebody insinuate that ISIS doesn't hurt Muslims. Christ almighty.

Even if they didn't, that's not the point. THEIR approach says nothing about the rest of the Muslim community.

 

[Deleted-355425]

Holy shit... the vast majority of ISIS' victims have been Muslim. Do you live under a rock by any chance

Do you even know what role they've played in the Arab spring, the Syrian lands they've occupied by massacring the natives, how they'd abduct random children in the levantine and execute them for silly reasons like 'listening to pop music'? This stuff happens CONSTANTLY, compared to the semi-frequent and heavily reported attacks in the west.

ISIS absolutely eradicated Aleppo and Palmyra. Nothing's left.

I'm truly dumbfounded that I just saw somebody insinuate that ISIS doesn't hurt Muslims. Christ almighty.

Even if they didn't, that's not the point. THEIR approach says nothing about the rest of the Muslim community.

Did you miss the UK/EU part of that sentence?