Hacking Patching deviceID on CFW boot: Is it possible and would any devs be interested in implementing it?

(to CFW devs) Would it be possible for these ideas to be implemented?

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Recently, Nintendo has implemented a new type of online ban, mainly impacting MCIT users. It even bans the victims from the eShop, so please keep that in mind if you were leaning toward the 5th choice in the poll (and remember, it is never too late to change your vote)! No one is 100% sure what Nintendo is using to identify whether or not you are banned, but after some research, me and several others well-versed in the matter strongly believe that these are deviceID bans.

I noticed that they appear to be patchable via NTR. The only problem is that the Miiverse applet does not work when NTR is being used (Unless this problem has since been fixed. I could not find out if it has been fixed after searching about it.).

Here are my original posts about this:
I decided to do a bit of digging on 3dbrew. I typed "unique" into the search box, looked through the results for something different that jumps out (unrelated to the previous attempts to overcome the new bans), and I might have found something useful. (please correct me if these guesses are wrong)

There appears to be a value called the deviceID.

At the bottom of one of the pages that mentions it, I found this:

It also appears to have multiple services for checking the ID:

https://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/AM:GetDeviceId

https://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/PSPXI:GetDeviceId

This page
lists its size, offset, and address.

Perhaps this could be the new ID that Nintendo is using to determine bans.

Another possibility could be CTCert, which is also console unique.

I just found something else that might be useful when searching for deviceID on GBATemp:

http://gbatemp.net/threads/guide-upgrading-8-1-0-0j-to-9-2-0-20j.384960/

The XML files used for this NTR patching method (the links to them in the first post are dead, but they were copied and pasted into a reply on the second page) are of particular interest:
Code:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<SOAP-ENV:Envelope xmlns:SOAP-ENV="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/"
                  xmlns:SOAP-ENC="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/encoding/"
                  xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
                  xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema"
                  xmlns:nus="urn:nus.wsapi.broadon.com">
<SOAP-ENV:Body>
<nus:GetSystemTitleHash xsi:type="nus:GetSystemTitleHashRequestType">
<nus:Version>1.0</nus:Version>
<nus:MessageId>xxx</nus:MessageId>
<nus:DeviceId>xxx</nus:DeviceId>
<nus:RegionId>JPN</nus:RegionId>
<nus:CountryCode>JP</nus:CountryCode>
</nus:GetSystemTitleHash>
</SOAP-ENV:Body>
</SOAP-ENV:Envelope>
Code:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<SOAP-ENV:Envelope xmlns:SOAP-ENV="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/"
                  xmlns:SOAP-ENC="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/encoding/"
                  xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
                  xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema"
                  xmlns:nus="urn:nus.wsapi.broadon.com">
<SOAP-ENV:Body>
<nus:GetSystemUpdate xsi:type="nus:GetSystemUpdateRequestType">
<nus:Version>1.0</nus:Version>
<nus:MessageId>xxx</nus:MessageId>
<nus:DeviceId>xxx</nus:DeviceId>
<nus:RegionId>JPN</nus:RegionId>
<nus:CountryCode>JP</nus:CountryCode>
<nus:Language>ja</nus:Language>
<nus:SerialNo>xxx</nus:SerialNo>
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</nus:GetSystemUpdate>
</SOAP-ENV:Body>
</SOAP-ENV:Envelope>
This tutorial no longer works for its original purpose, but perhaps there is some way that it can be adapted for overcoming these new bans!

As an added bonus, the second XML even has an option for serial number patching!
So here is the idea that I thought of:

What if, in the menu that appears before launching some CFWs, you could enable deviceID spoofing, edit the deviceID that gets sent when responding to requests from Nintendo's servers, have it save to a settings file on the SD card, and have the CFW automatically use the custom deviceID each time that the CFW launches?

In the NTR tutorial that one of my quoted posts linked to, the XMLs also seemed to indicate than the same thing can be done with the information from SecureInfo_A files, because there were serial number and region options.

Could the same idea that I outlined above also be used to quickly and easily switch your emuNAND (or sysNAND for a9lh users) region for accessing an out-of-region eShop (as long as you have the necessary system titles installed for other regions, of course)?

If any of this is possible, are there any experienced CFW devs that would be interested in implementing these features into any one of the popular CFWs?
Spoofing Menu Mockup.png
Thank you in advance!
 
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what do you mean the applets wont boot in NTR mode?
they work perfectly fine
 

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they do they just have a 50/50 chance of boot
100% boot. Never had a problem before.
(Whoops. I wasn't expecting anyone to respond so fast. Sorry for double post.)


Look at the previous posts. It just doesn't work on O3DS.
It does for me. I use my 2DS almost as much as my n3DS. Though NTR does fail sometimes, that's upon loading the app, not outside.

Personally, I'm not sure why it would kill it. Are you using 3.3 and above?
 
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No one want's to do this as you run the risk of banning innocent people if you happen to spoof using their info.
 

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What is nintindo banning people for now? cheating still?
 

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What is Nintendo banning people for now? Cheating still?
Making a bunch of NNIDs to use with MCIT for posting some harmless custom images to Miiverse. For some dumb reason, Nintendo is doling out much stronger punishment for posting these images than for cheating online.

When you get banned (including permanent bans) for cheating online, at least you can still access the eShop to buy content and redownload your purchases. Not to mention that there are fewer and easier steps to overcome those bans. With two of my NNIDs (both linked to a 3DS with one of these bans), I cannot even use them for the My Nintendo rewards program (not that it matters when there are no exclusive physical rewards like there were with Club Nintendo).

I have always advocated against piracy, but now that I cannot even access the eShop with my account that is tied to hundreds of USD in 3DS and Wii U purchases, Nintendo has left me with no realistic alternative for eShop exclusive content.:hateit: Also, why should I buy anything with a different NNID when Nintendo could ban that NNID from accessing the eShop at any time for the most harmless things? It simply does not make any sense whatsoever to buy what is essentially a license for that content that could expire at any time without warning.:glare:

From now on, I will just stick to used games and make backups to avoid needing to keep the game cards and discs around at all times. In addition, I will buy PC versions of multiplatform indie titles, and just use copies of them from certain sites to access them on Nintendo hardware.

For these reasons, defeating Nintendo's banning techniques is always an extremely satisfying experience. After being pushed around for long enough, it always feels great to essentially give them the middle finger until the point if/when they come up with a stronger ban.;)

I apologize for the rant, but I just hope that we can get around these new and more advanced bans Soon™.:(
 
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Well, I had to go with the 5th choice.
When you're using a hacked device, you should at least be clever enough to use it properly, in the most "vanilla" way, like any "normal" of non-hacked device user.

I think there are other things to do in 3DS hacking than helping people who can't respect a few rules to avoid sanctions...
You kinda deserve it. ;)
 

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Well, I had to go with the 5th choice.
When you're using a hacked device, you should at least be clever enough to use it properly, in the most "vanilla" way, like any "normal" of non-hacked device user.

I think there are other things to do in 3DS hacking than helping people who can't respect a few rules to avoid sanctions...
You kinda deserve it. ;)
While I agree that showing your hacks off instead of keeping a low profile isn't the smartest thing to do, I still don't think that MCIT users are the ones who deserve to be banned most. I'd say Sky3DS users deserve to be banned from everything more, but MCIT users should only be banned from Miiverse.
 

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Exactly what @Hayleia said.
You kinda deserve it. ;)
A ban from Miiverse? Of course.;)

A ban from the eShop? It is an incredibly ignorant business decision that has the potential to lose them the financial support of high-paying pro-hacking, yet anti-piracy consumers.:wacko:
 

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No one want's to do this as you run the risk of banning innocent people if you happen to spoof using their info.

That makes no since. why bother using some one else's info? All this has to do is create fake information with fake data.

Edit: I know this has nothing to do with vpn's but I will use them as a example. A vpn can create fake information on the location of some one or some thing in the middle of the desert or the ocean.
 
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