Playing Video Games "Definitely" Doesn't Harm Children

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10!!!!!!! I didn't get a phone until I was 16 and I bought it myself!! Also, back then, phones were expensive and crap, 10x2 character screen (no dot matrix gfx for us), custom ringtones only if you could fit into 10 notes. not even a calculator built in, nope, had to carry an actual calculator around if I wanted to do complicated maths.


My father had that phone for 6 years and went full PDA, since everyone in the family already had one, they gave it to me.
It was one of those 3310 Nokia's. They had a calculator IIRC, but it didn't allow for much.
 

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Yeah well its not about complaining about how we didn't get those things as early as those kids (I myself began to play on a computer before even knowing how to properly read)...

Its about how inadequate it is to provide such things to a child which hasnt even develloped rational thinking yet as his brain won't understand it as machine but more as an interface and he will tend to consider it as a tool and therefore won't try to understand how it works but only what use of it is provided to him.

Bringing a generation of lazy users who will deface the use people should have of computers, could even destroy hacking or any will from the users of doing something with their own computers, just people waiting for stuff being provided (We're all at some degree but I'm afraid this will drastically lower the average degree of computer laziness).
 

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...video games are a positive way of spending your spare time, and if not positive, at least they don't do any harm.

That's great and all, but I'm guessing you didn't bother to look at or read the study? They didn't specify what "game" they played or tv/dvd they watched. Could have been pong or leapstar or mathblaster. Seriously, you're insinuating this has something to do with violent video games. Please at least put forth an effort to bother reading the bloody thing before you start touting it as proof that there are no negative effects. Even if you're right there are no negative effects, this is NOT evidence of that. If you want to make a strong case for violent video games, this is not how you do it.

>5 year olds and 7 year olds were tested
>was comparing and contrasting to TV viewing
>what was watched/played wasn't documented
>not a study on video games and their effects so much as media on small children
>other scientific things that will probably not be terribly understood in this discussion

http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/21/archdischild-2011-301508.full.pdf html
 

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That's great and all, but I'm guessing you didn't bother to look at or read the study? They didn't specify what "game" they played or tv/dvd they watched. Could have been pong or leapstar or mathblaster. Seriously, you're insinuating this has something to do with violent video games. Please at least put forth an effort to bother reading the bloody thing before you start touting it as proof that there are no negative effects. Even if you're right there are no negative effects, this is NOT evidence of that. If you want to make a strong case for violent video games, this is not how you do it.

>5 year olds and 7 year olds were tested
>was comparing and contrasting to TV viewing
>what was watched/played wasn't documented
>not a study on video games and their effects so much as media on small children
>other scientific things that will probably not be terribly understood in this discussion

http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/21/archdischild-2011-301508.full.pdf html


If the test subjects were 5 and 7 years old, isn't it only natural that they didn't play violent games, which have age recommendations higher than theirs?
Violent games, can and will affect a young child mold-able mind, and since parents shouldn't allow 5 or 7 year old children to play those games, a study about them would be pointless.
 

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It's not the video games that directly harm the children. It's the bone idle attitude of the parents who just dump their kids in front of the idiot box so they don't have to do anything. Freya's only just coming up to a month old at this point so it's not something I have to worry about for a while, but I still take the time to read to her, talk to her, even though she doesn't understand me yet she at least knows that I'm there and I care. I don't plan on letting Microsoft or Sony raise my child. That's my job.

Unfortunately no amount of research into how video games are a positive or negative influence will ever change anything because when you boil it down to the bare bones basics, nobody wants to openly admit that they're bad parents for letting their kids get hold of the more violent games. I've seen kids as young as 8 walking out of the game stores with Mortal Kombat, GTA 5 and Manhunt. Parents don't even bat an eyelid. Their reaction is 'That's nice, kid. Go play. Mummy needs to talk her pills and watch Loose Women'. If they actually took any interest in their kids lives instead of wanting technology to do it all for them, then even if video games WERE a negative influence on kids, it'd be greatly diminished. But it's never gonna happen because the parents that look to video games and any other form of media as a scapegoat are the kind of scum that take no genuine interest in their own offspring until it's too late and they're running around their schools with a submachine gun.
 

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10!!!!!!! I didn't get a phone until I was 16 and I bought it myself!! Also, back then, phones were expensive and crap, 10x2 character screen (no dot matrix gfx for us), custom ringtones only if you could fit into 10 notes. not even a calculator built in, nope, had to carry an actual calculator around if I wanted to do complicated maths.

I remember my first cell phone it was one of those flip phones. I got it my Senior year of high school soo I was 18 years old. it had no color screen as well and I had no texting plan either.
 

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I remember my first cell phone it was one of those flip phones. I got it my Senior year of high school soo I was 18 years old. it had no color screen as well and I had no texting plan either.


Googled a bit, those phones look pretty cool.
 

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Googled a bit, those phones look pretty cool.

Oh I loved that cell phone it couldn't do much but was cool I only got one because i was getting ready to graduate and go to college far away and my parents wanted an easy way to get in contact with me.
 

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I was made to suffer an amstrad CPC with a monochrome monitor which at the time was shit hot awesome, the only violence it makes me feel like commiting is against spoiled brats now a days that are like omg I'm 5 and have an iPad even though all I use it for is making adults jealous

Yes I am validating child abuse with this post :)
 

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That's great and all, but I'm guessing you didn't bother to look at or read the study?
I have now, beforehand I read cliffnotes. Nothing that'd disprove anything I've said.
They didn't specify what "game" they played or tv/dvd they watched.
And...? That's not what the study was testing - the study was testing whether watching TV and playing video (electronic) games has any impact at all.
Could have been pong or leapstar or mathblaster.
You can get equally frustrated by "Call of Duty" and "Leapster". Besides, we have PEGI and ESRB ratings for a reason. Content classification is not what the study is concerned with.
Seriously, you're insinuating this has something to do with violent video games.
I'm insinuating nothing - not once have I brought up the classification of content - you have.
Please at least put forth an effort to bother reading the bloody thing before you start touting it as proof that there are no negative effects.
...but you're putting words in my mouth, quite literally.
Even if you're right there are no negative effects, this is NOT evidence of that. If you want to make a strong case for violent video games, this is not how you do it.
There are no negative effects of playing videogames as an activity.

>5 year olds and 7 year olds were tested Which part of the word "children" in the thread's title seems to be confusing to you?
>was comparing and contrasting to TV viewing Which gave certain results that we're talking about here.
>what was watched/played wasn't documented Because it's irrelevant - we're talking broadly about video games as a medium.
>not a study on video games and their effects so much as media on small children ...video games are also media. Your point?
>other scientific things that will probably not be terribly understood in this discussion That's not my fault.

http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/21/archdischild-2011-301508.full.pdf html
Here's where your reading comprehension skills failed you. You're welcome. :)

You seem to be under the impression that my post is a whole article about the study - it isn't, it's a news post, it's informative to a degree. Anyone interested in the actual results of the study can follow the Source links to find out more.
 

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THE MEDIA INDUSTRY IS ALL ABOUT RATINGS, RATINGS, RATINGS BUT SOME PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO SEE THEM.
I always found this to be odd-bizzare - a parent wouldn't be inclined to walk into a store and buy an 18+ movie on DVD for their kid because "Naughty Nurses" doesn't exactly scream "appropriate material", but if it's a video game with ratings plastered all over it, "Slaughterhouse" seems to be a bit confusing.
 

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I always found this to be odd-bizzare - a parent wouldn't be inclined to walk into a store and buy an 18+ movie on DVD for their kid because "Naughty Nurses" doesn't exactly scream "appropriate material", but if it's a video game with ratings plastered all over it, "Slaughterhouse" seems to be a bit confusing.

It's because the kids get hyper over the latest games and the parents just buy them to avoid having to do any teaching about appropriate content, not getting sucked into fads, etc. The game can be relied on to shut the kid up and keep him out the way for at least 10 hours and it stops an argument. Nothing else registers in their minds.
 

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It's because the kids get hyper over the latest games and the parents just buy them to avoid having to do any teaching about appropriate content, not getting sucked into fads, etc. The game can be relied on to shut the kid up and keep him out the way for at least 10 hours and it stops an argument. Nothing else registers in their minds.

So what you're practically saying is that as a child all I had to do to get "Naughty Nurses V: Revenge of the Speculum" was making a huge fuss about it?

Dang it, I spent what must've been hundreds in Internet Cafe's instead of just asking! :angry:
 
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It's because the kids get hyper over the latest games and the parents just buy them to avoid having to do any teaching about appropriate content, not getting sucked into fads, etc. The game can be relied on to shut the kid up and keep him out the way for at least 10 hours and it stops an argument. Nothing else registers in their minds.

Don't forget the lack of care from retail store providers such as Game Stop and i quote ".....You are to young to by this game but If your parent says its okay then....."
Unless im not mistaken but nowadays it does not seem like the parents have to be told a million times and beg for the new Call of duty but insead just go "can i get this game"
 

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Don't forget the lack of care from retail store providers such as Game Stop and i quote ".....You are to young to by this game but If your parent says its okay then....."
Unless im not mistaken but nowadays it does not seem like the parents have to be told a million times and beg for the new Call of duty but insead just go "can i get this game"
I disagree with your approach - if the parent is okay with this, there shouldn't be anything in the way. The parent is (or should be) familiar with the level of development of his/her child, if he/she believes that the kid is mentally ready to play some title then that's final - video games are not alcohol, cigarettes or drugs, they don't cause any immediate harm, at worst they may cause distress at which point you can just "stop playing the game". Labels are suggestions, not legal restrictions for parents. Naturally the parent also takes responsibility for any and all results of such choices - it's called parenting.
 

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So what you're practically saying is that as a child all I had to do to get "Naughty Nurses V: Revenge of the Speculum" was making a huge fuss about it?

Dang it, I spent what must've been hundreds in Internet Cafe's instead of just asking! :angry:

When kids make a fuss a lot of parents I see around my area, it's not necessarily world-wide, just what I've observed, they can only react in two ways. They either get angry and slap the kid and cause a scene, or capitulate to shut the kid up and the kid ends up playing some gorey game they shouldn't have access to. and then everyone wonders why these kids end up with no job, no prospects, more kids that GCSE's. It's not the fault of the game, it's a product, it's to be used responsibly. It's the fault of the parents who don't give a crap.

As for the store staff, I agree that they need to be more responsible, but most of them in this area at least get paid minimum wage and get treated like crap by everyone when they sell out of the latest killer app. They become so jaded by it all that they stop giving a shit, for the most part. I do know a couple of exceptions that have even ID'd me before even though they all know I'm old enough it's still procedure, etc. But the majority of the staff are in the same place as the parents. Life isn't what they wanted it to be and they can't cope so they just give up. It's the biggest problem in modern western society, IMHO. People hold themselves up against celebrities and multi-millionaire tramps famous for being tramps (Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian, etc) and when life doesn't bring them any of it they don't have the spirit to just get on with it. Everyone expects the easy life and nobody actually gets it. Whereas I've been through hell and back on my journey so far, pretty much any minor improvement to my life can be a game-changer to me.
 
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if the parent is okay with this, there shouldn't be anything in the way.

Of course
I disagree with your approach - if the parent is okay with this, there shouldn't be anything in the way. The parent familiar with the level of development of his/her child, if he/she believes that the kid is mentally ready to play some title then that's final - video games are not alcohol or cigarettes,

This what people sometimes don't understand. I dont believe video games cause mental or violent out burst in the behavior of a kid as much because its still something they imitate, sheeeyt i used to imitate many game characters when i was younger but its not like i just finish watching two Nurses strip in front of me and know i wanna go around touching women.
If the parent wants to buy there child a game that's over rated but are well aware what there child is mentally capable of handling then sure but just dont blame video games for all of the problems.
 

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I didn't have any friends, but it wasn't because I was constantly playing video games. But I do blame Star Wars for creating my addiction to poles (small ones, not the ones that hold up the electricity wires) and Digimon for my love of laptops. I could go into Power Rangers and Dragonball Z, but that'd actually be a really long, boring story.
 

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