Most logical explanation is to shave a few dollars off per unit on license fee. Someone on the internet estimated that by not using Dolby Digital or DTS, Wii U can be $5 cheaper per unit.
So stupid. The frustration and confusion it causes to consumers and their resulting impression of the console coupled with time wasted with Nintendo Technical support is worth far more than $5 per unit if you ask me.
Technically would it be possible for them to patch it in? Is their a petition?
Hell sell it to me in the eshop, I would pay $5 to fix this rather than going out and buying a whole new sound system. I'll even throw in an extra $5 to Nintendo and pay $10
How? Wii U would need a hardware change with optical port, unless you are talking about Dolby Digital PL2.
wii doesn't use DTS or dolby digital surround. both these formats need at least an optical audio out. what wii used was dolby prologic ii, which sounds fine on my HT.
What's wrong with putting the Dolby out through the HDMI, it gets to my TV, then hooking the optical port to my sound system?
Pro Logic 2 is fine, I never saw the need for anything over 5.1
Most TV aren't capable of stripping DD or DTS 5.1 from externally attached HDMI. The optical port on TV usually delivers DD/DTS 5.1 only for antenna input. You happened to have a TV that can strip audio from HDMI without the need of external HDMI audio de-embedder.
yeah 7.2 is the way to go these days
11.4 lol
But seriously, Nintendo should support 5.1 for their games; even Nano Assault Neo supports it. Plus, when you set the Wii U's audio to Surround, 2 channel audio gets embedded in the 6 channel stream, making it impossible to decode surround from 2 channel games unless you change the setting back to Stereo.
I just use a scaler and switch the audio output from HDMI to optical, which only supports L and R for PCM, so I can decode surround from the two active channels without having to go back into the Wii U's settings every time I want to play a stereo game. I know that PC HDMI audio implements the same way, but at least the PC has drivers to decode stereo into Pro Logic II.
not all tvs can forward dolby (or dts) audio from its hdmi port to optical port. for example my TV can only output dolby digital from the tv broadcasts. it downconverts all audio to stereo before sending it to optical port, if it is coming from hdmi.
though i agree pro logic 2 can be used. in fact it might be already used. i remember a few N64 and psx games, which had dolby pro logic (dolby surround old name) but not advertising these on the title screens or game manuals to avoid licensing fees. or nintendo might be using a similar stereo sound technology which can be converted to 5.1 well. as i don't have a wii-u, i can't test this.
Yeah I hear this stuff all the time and I am confused about the whole thing. Pro Logic 2 gets 5.1 sound from a stereo source though doesn't it? As long as the optical cable is getting a stereo signal to my receiver I can get 5.1 sound is my understanding. It sure sounds to me like I am getting 5.1 sound going from source>HDMI>TV>optical out>sound system. Pretty much all my sources are hooked up this way, my cable box is HDMI to the TV, my game consoles, only my Wii is component cables and occasionally an old DVD player or PS2 might be composite/RCA or whatever you call it.
An analog stereo Left and Right channel sound output to my reciever should support Pro Logic II 5.1 sound in my understanding (so HDMI can do that I am pretty sure)....I don't really care about anything above that right now (my sound system is old, maybe somewhere around 2001-2003 I think)
PL2 matrix encodes 5.1 audio into 2 channels. Sound quality on PL2 is lower than actual DD/DTS 5.1.
Surprisingly, GC and Wii use PL2 because back then optical receiver costs a lot. Now Nintendo is saying LPCM 5.1 only, leaving you no choice but to buy modern HDMI receiver.
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Yeah, I just want my PL2. I don't really care about compression in the sound quality, I can't tell the difference. I just want my 5.1 channels of sound.
It's lame you can't even seem to get PL2 surround in Wii mode on the Wii U unless you have the modern HDMI reciever. So my Wii puts out better sound and that does seem backwards.
You can only get vWii to do PL2 5.1 surround if you use component cable or HDMI w/system settings on stereo, and that is for Wii games that have PL2 audio settings in game.
PL2 decoding only works if the output is stereo. If it is in 5.1 LPCM (when you use Wii U HDMI with system settings on surround), it won't work.
Yep, even when set to Surround and the 2 channels stripped out of the 6ch stream via optical conversion, vWii audio seems to be plain stereo. When Mario flies to a galaxy, the "whoosh" sound doesn't go over your head.
Yeah I read that over in that other thread that got linked.
Seems like a major hassle, even if I had the right kind of receiver to get the sound right you have to switch back and forth and the nintendo games don't even have the option in game meaning there is no way to get PL2 from them on wii u.
On an old wii the proper way is to set system setting to surround right? Then any game that has PL2 that doesn't have an in game option will put out 5.1 properly right?
yup, just set the wii system setting to surround and choose dolby prologic ii setting on your ht. if the game supports pl2, that is great. if not your ht will work on stereo sound and upmix it to 5.1. it won't be as good as pl2 supporting games, but it is still good.
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