I find it fucking hilarious how Americans read up false information and then believe it to commit unforgivable acts that will never be forgiven.
I guess "offering" wasn't the word I was looking for. Social pressure in the absence of education and information is kind of the problem I see. I think the notion that Americans are willing to risk poisoning themselves of their own volition as opposed to giving into coercive methods speaks a bit bout the faith they have in their institutions.
Businesses must operate in accordance to the law.
The existence of my business and, by extension, my livelihood, is contingent on my compliance with the law. That’s the truth.
Logical fallacy. You being informed is not contingent on knowing information that is not yet available (on account of it not existing). You’re as informed as anybody else, if there are further developments then you’ll need to reevaluate.
it doesn’t have to be virtuous - I just don’t think it’s any of my business.
The expectation that other people will break the law (or their store policy for that matter) on your behalf is naive. My need to put food on the table supersedes your moral compass.
They’re not obligatory if you’re permitted to reject them. The fact that your choices have societal consequences does not entail punitive action from the government. Nobody has been out in prison for refusing to take the vaccine.
The government did not issue a mandate. Private citizens decided they don’t want you around anymore, there’s a huge difference.
If you think dressing up as a woman is the most ridiculous and absurd thing you’ve ever seen, you haven’t been to a mall in the last two centuries. People walk around dressed up as hot dogs, my guy.
We talked about this, scroll up. If you require me to repeat myself, you’re not listening, and that’s a sign of disrespect.
There’s no mandate. You have to choose to vaccinate. This is another thing we already talked about.
So, nobody was arrested for refusing to take the vaccine then. Good, good.
You people are mind-numbingly stupid.
This mandate only covered federal workers, healthcare providers and any large company with over 100 employees, and had a built-in opt out provision that allowed workers to refuse the vaccine and choose to test themselves on a weekly basis instead. Where’s this imaginary mandate you speak of that excludes you from operating in civil society unless you vaccinate? You posted the link, but you didn’t read it, did you? You just typed in “vaccine mandate” and that’s the first thing that popped up, am I right?
Your employer sets the policy, whether it’s in the private or public sector is immaterial - they have a duty of care in regards to their workforce. If I’m paying you cash money to do X, it is up to me to decide how you do it and in what circumstances. If you don’t like the way I want things done, you can leave at any time. For the record, the mandate didn’t compel workers to vaccinate - it compelled employers to ensure their workforce is vaccinated. You, the employee, weren’t forced to do anything at all. No government stooge showed up at your door. The government did not issue a mandate that forced private citizens to vaccinate at any point during the pandemic. Maybe it did in your neck of the woods (you’d have to demonstrate it first), but this is not an example of one.
People who work for the government are one step removed from lizards.
What I believe doesn’t matter because we’re discussing objective reality. You keep trying to make this a discussion about hypotheticals, but these are not hypotheticals, these are things that actually happened.
I’m *from* Europe and I live *in* Europe. I don’t have to read it, I can look outside my window.
What is the legal punishment for non-compliance here? How many years do I have to spend in prison for not taking the jab? How much do I have to pay? If the answer to both is zero then there’s no punitive action - you are not entitled to a job. You get to have a job solely at your employer’s discretion, contingent on whether or not you fulfil the employer’s requirements to perform it. The government has decided that any workplace with 100+ employees (which would be considered a mass gathering) is safer if the employees were vaccinated, and the employers were told to ensure that their workforce is jabbed. *You* as a private citizen don’t factor into this order in any capacity. *You* are not at risk of punitive action from the government - you’re not being fined and you’re not being imprisoned, which are the only two punitive measures the government is capable of deploying. The law is enforced at the threat of those measures, and no other. The employer might be if they fail to meet government standards for their entity, but that’s an imposition on them, not on you. They’re at risk of being non-compliant if they go against it, not you.
What Are You Doing? I replied: It's a shot right? Sir, it goes in your arm.
A specific claim was made - that there was some kind of mandate that excluded you from operating in commerce or civil society unless you vaccinated. That is not the case.
It depends where you lived. A lot of people were coerced into getting jabbed and many lost their jobs because they wouldn't take it - especially in UK that worked for NHS. People were banned from going to concerts etc and were treated like second class citizens and told they needed to show a vaccine certificate to get into clubs etc. Coercion and being forced to get jabbed or be jobless and potentially homeless if you didn't comply with a forced procedure is something expected from North Korea or in times past, the Nazi's.
…or what? That’s where this argument breaks down - get jabbed or what? I’m sorry that some of the regulations affected your day-to-day - I’m in the UK and I hate to break this to you, but people were just fine. As far as NHS workers are concerned, yeah, I expect my healthcare providers to be fully vaccinated. If they refuse, they need to find a different line of employment. It’s 100% part of the job to be immunised against the diseases you’re supposed to be treating. If you cannot do that, it’s not a job for you. As for concerts and other social gatherings, those are not necessities. I haven’t gone to a full-blown concert in years - not because of COVID but because it’s not one of my interests. Absolutely nothing changed about my life throughout the course of the pandemic besides having to wear a mask and getting paid leave, I can’t complain.
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