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Tennessee poised to ban public drag shows, hormone therapy for children

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They absolutely do not, and I'm not saying they do.
I'm only stating that I don't believe that the government needs to step in to prevent this. We have plenty of other regulating bodies that have zero government intervention. Why does drag shows need to be treated differently?
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I surprisingly agree to an extent here.

I'm also in agreement with you and partially with @Xzi on this issue. I don't think we need laws for every single little thing in life. I think we as a society should deem such acts immoral and stop them from happening without having to resort to making new laws. That also happens to be my stance on abortion. We don't need a damned law for every little thing. I already have to read how it's illegal to use products in a manner they weren't designed for when I buy damned shampoo. Isn't that nuts?
 

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LGBT+ in its own right isn't a bad thing, but just like many other movements, it's been bastardized and used to push problematic messages, and you're sadly right that the assholes who are pushing drag shows on children 100% do it under the name of LGBTQ banner trying to justify it, and that's not okay either, but again, it's the vocal minority, and because a small sliver of people are using this as a bad thing doesn't mean the rest of the community needs to be scrutinized for it.
As part of the Straight anti-pedophile community, I agree that all the freaks trying to expose children/minors to deviant sexual behaviour such as drag shows should be locked up and the keys thrown away forever. Luckily the law makers in Tennessee also have some common sense. I don't live in Tennessee and either do 99+ % of the people commenting in this thread, so it doesn't affect my life - however if this sort of thing was going on where I lived, I'd burn the venue down that allowed it to happen, then I'd hunt down the organisers and send them to hell - where they belong.
 

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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...ho-voted-against-anti-human-trafficking-bill/

Meanwhile one of the only few who voted against a anti sex trafficking law.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ene-human-trafficking-democrats-b2132841.html

In a statement explaining his vote, the congressman said that “the government’s failure to accurately and specifically define human trafficking allows this legislation to act as a backdoor loophole for illegal immigration and amnesty” while the bill “costs over half a billion dollars to implement and gives more taxpayer money to overfunded, inefficient grant programs.”

It also didn't address the open border where most of the human and sex trafficking is being allowed to happen unimpeded, yet we sent billions to protect Ukraine's border.

Another example of a bill's name not matching the content, like the Patriot Act and Affordable Care Act.
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@Xzi this TraderPat motherfucker really is desperately trying to paint us as groomers wtf
I don't have to try to do anything. The evidence speaks for itself.


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Previous comment was deleted for "one word post"
So here it is again: LMAOOOOO
This has the same meaning to me as the deleted post that I never saw.
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They absolutely do not, and I'm not saying they do.
I'm only stating that I don't believe that the government needs to step in to prevent this. We have plenty of other regulating bodies that have zero government intervention. Why does drag shows need to be treated differently?
They are being treated the same as strip bars, Chippendales, burlesque shows and any other adult venue. Drag shows were being treated differently before this law was passed.
 
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To be fair it is part of the LGBTQ community that is pushing drag shows on kids. That's the problem with them trying to identify themselves under one umbrella, a small sub section of them do something evil and it paints the rest that color. I think it would be fair to say not all LGBTQ people support drag shows for kids, but some do. As for me? I'll just avoid naming myself under their stupid LGBTQXYZ bullshit and go about my daily life. It's worked for me thus far. I see no need to identify as such.
You are part of the group, even if you do not identify with, you are. As soon as people like TraderPat find out you're the kind of people they're targeting, you will become a target too, no matter how you try to avoid it and go in rants on  their (like you're not part of it lmao) bullshit, once the eyes are on you, the eyes are on you.
And how hard is to grasp the idea that a small portion of individuals does not represent the whole group? Are you a groomer? A dude who take children to sexual shows?
Godamn it's annoying to talk to you people, i have to state the exact same shit i did a few posts ago.
 
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You are part of the group, even if you do not identify with, you are. As soon as people like TraderPat find out you're the kind of people they're targeting, you will become a target too, no matter how you try to avoid it and go in rants on  their (like you're not part of it lmao) bullshit, once the eyes are on you, the eyes are on you.
And how hard is to grasp the idea that a small portion of individuals does not represent the whole group? Are you a groomer? A dude who take children to sexual shows?
Godamn it's annoying to talk to you people, i have to state the exact same shit i did a few posts ago.
Nobody is targeting you. I didn't even know you were LGBT until you announced it. So stop trying to play the victim here. It's not working.
 
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Nobody is targeting you. I didn't even know you were LGBT until you announced it. So stop trying to play the victim here. It's not working.
If you're putting a whole community under the grooming category, which i'm included, i'm targeted too. Simple as that. I'm not "playing the victim", just stating exactly the tone of your posts on this thread.
Also, i made it very clear that i'm part of it on my previous posts. You're playing the fool.
 
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If you're putting a whole community under the grooming category, which i'm included, i'm targeted too. Simple as that. I'm not "playing the victim", just stating exactly the tone of your posts on this thread.
Also, i made it very clear that i'm part of it on my previous posts. You're playing the fool.
I've never read any of your previous posts until you started defending taking children to sexualized drag shows. I don't know you and I've never seen your comments before. Get over yourself. I could care less who you have sex with.
 
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If you're putting a whole community under the grooming category, which i'm included, i'm targeted too. Simple as that. I'm not "playing the victim", just stating exactly the tone of your posts on this thread.
Also, i made it very clear that i'm part of it on my previous posts. You're playing the fool.
The fact that you are annoyed not at the people who make you look bad, but at the people calling out grooming tells exactly where you stand.
 

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They are being treated the same as strip bars, Chippendales, burlesque shows and any other adult venue. Drag shows were being treated differently before this law was passed.
Last I checked, Drag shows were being treated just like a strip bar/chippendales/burlesque shows. I can't speak for Tennessee per se, but it sounds like fear mongering by using a bunch of isolated cases to blow it into an issue that is 10 times worse than it really is.

Where I live, I've never seen a single instance of a drag show in public eye that wasn't for a mature audience. Every one I've heard of has been 18+. I suppose the only instance where I've seen a "drag show" being displayed to people under 18 was a mock show that my school used to put on, which from your definition of a drag show (guys showing their balls hanging out of thongs) it was not a drag show, as it was just a bunch of seniors wearing dresses, nothing scantally clad, all in good humor. That being said, I found the show to be kinda odd and tasteless, but I digress.

I think your head is in the right place, but I think your evidence that this is a problem is very weak and biased. Those instances that you linked earlier are absolutely absurd and those people need to face some child abuse charges, but I guarantee you that this is not nearly as much of a problem as the media is making it out to be, and I don't think government regulation is necessary.
 

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Last I checked, Drag shows were being treated just like a strip bar/chippendales/burlesque shows. I can't speak for Tennessee per se, but it sounds like fear mongering by using a bunch of isolated cases to blow it into an issue that is 10 times worse than it really is.

Where I live, I've never seen a single instance of a drag show in public eye that wasn't for a mature audience. Every one I've heard of has been 18+. I suppose the only instance where I've seen a "drag show" being displayed to people under 18 was a mock show that my school used to put on, which from your definition of a drag show (guys showing their balls hanging out of thongs) it was not a drag show, as it was just a bunch of seniors wearing dresses, nothing scantally clad, all in good humor. That being said, I found the show to be kinda odd and tasteless, but I digress.

I think your head is in the right place, but I think your evidence that this is a problem is very weak and biased. Those instances that you linked earlier are absolutely absurd and those people need to face some child abuse charges, but I guarantee you that this is not nearly as much of a problem as the media is making it out to be, and I don't think government regulation is necessary.
Mucho texto. Exactly what harm will a law that prevents adult show in places where children can see them do?
 

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Last I checked, Drag shows were being treated just like a strip bar/chippendales/burlesque shows. I can't speak for Tennessee per se, but it sounds like fear mongering by using a bunch of isolated cases to blow it into an issue that is 10 times worse than it really is.

Where I live, I've never seen a single instance of a drag show in public eye that wasn't for a mature audience. Every one I've heard of has been 18+. I suppose the only instance where I've seen a "drag show" being displayed to people under 18 was a mock show that my school used to put on, which from your definition of a drag show (guys showing their balls hanging out of thongs) it was not a drag show, as it was just a bunch of seniors wearing dresses, nothing scantally clad, all in good humor. That being said, I found the show to be kinda odd and tasteless, but I digress.

I think your head is in the right place, but I think your evidence that this is a problem is very weak and biased. Those instances that you linked earlier are absolutely absurd and those people need to face some child abuse charges, but I guarantee you that this is not nearly as much of a problem as the media is making it out to be, and I don't think government regulation is necessary.
It wasn't a problem when drag shows were performed in adult clubs for adults. The second they started going to libraries and public areas for all ages, it became a problem.
 

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Mucho texto. Exactly what harm will a law that prevents adult show in places where children can see them do?
Ultimately, it really depends. At first, I don't think it's going to change a whole lot. It 'sounds' reasonable sure, but it's one of those things that can easily be used as ammunition to go after other things. It starts out as a harmless law sure, but laws tend to end up being used for much more than they initially were meant to prevent.

I don't see why we can't have a governing body over this instead of having laws in place. Again, there are plenty of private governing bodies regulating things and making it to where the government doesn't have to get involved.
 

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I've never read any of your previous posts until you started defending taking children to sexualized drag shows.
LMAO if you ACTUALLY did read my shit you would've find out that i'm against it. Like ?????? are you unable to process words through your mind dude?
"Until you started defending" then you never got to read anything.

The fact that you are annoyed not at the people who make you look bad, but at the people calling out grooming tells exactly where you stand.
Where i stand is i don't like these kind of shows, and i don't like these shows being used as anti-LGBT+ speech and propaganda.
You guys must've missed a lot of reading and text interpretation, because i was very clear where i stand on my previous comments...

You're almost calling me a groomer. Get a hold on yourself, i don't know you and never offended you. This is a serious accusation, and if we weren't on an online forum you would face consequences for your words.
 
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Ultimately, it really depends. At first, I don't think it's going to change a whole lot. It 'sounds' reasonable sure, but it's one of those things that can easily be used as ammunition to go after other things. It starts out as a harmless law sure, but laws tend to end up being used for much more than they initially were meant to prevent.

I don't see why we can't have a governing body over this instead of having laws in place. Again, there are plenty of private governing bodies regulating things and making it to where the government doesn't have to get involved.
Who would this governing body be accountable to?
 

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Ultimately, it really depends. At first, I don't think it's going to change a whole lot. It 'sounds' reasonable sure, but it's one of those things that can easily be used as ammunition to go after other things. It starts out as a harmless law sure, but laws tend to end up being used for much more than they initially were meant to prevent.

I don't see why we can't have a governing body over this instead of having laws in place. Again, there are plenty of private governing bodies regulating things and making it to where the government doesn't have to get involved.
Christians used the slippery slope as an argument against gay marrige. Saying it will lead to normalizing pedophilia. Now that it's actually happening as they said it would, you're using it to prevent anything from being done to stop it? Also laws are objectively better than a governing body in any situation. We need less of them not more. Its literally the worst kind of bloat.
 
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LMAO if you ACTUALLY did read my shit you would've find out that i'm against it. Like ?????? are you unable to process words through your mind dude?
I'm not the one who's spent the last week playing the victim acting like I'm attacking you. I'm not doing anything to you. It's all in your mind.
Where i stand is i don't like these kind of shows, and i don't like these shows being used as anti-LGBT+ speech and propaganda.
You guys must've missed a lot of reading and text interpretation, because i was very clear where i stand on my previous comments...
Great. We are in agreement. Then why do you continue arguing with me? Nothing I have said is anti-LGB.
You're almost calling me a groomer. Get a hold on yourself, i don't know you and never offended you. This is a serious accusation, and if we weren't on an online forum you would face consequences for your words.
I doubt it. I understand you are new here, but I'm pretty sure threatening physical harm is against the rules here, Scooter. Plus it makes you look weak.
 
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Christians used the slippery slope as an argument against gay marrige. Saying it will lead to normalizing pedophilia. Now that it's actually happening
Ohhg yes! Of course!
Gay people get married = pedophiles are good to go.
This still makes no sense your absolute lunatic.
There's a shitton of priests and pastors who are convicted for pedophilia and grooming, but that does not make it a problem of christianity. Why would this be the case with the LGBT+ community?
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threatening physical harm is against the rules
Who the fuck said anything about physical harm???? Lol

I'm not the one who's spent the last week playing the victim acting like I'm attacking you.
What
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How do you keep coming up with stuff that did not happen at all?? Are you schizophrenic?
 
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Christians used the slippery slope as an argument against gay marrige. Saying it will lead to normalizing pedophilia. Now that it's actually happening as they said it would, you're using it to prevent anything from being done to stop it? Also laws are objectively better than a governing body in any situation. We need less of them not more. Its literally the worst kind of bloat.
See the fact that you think Gay marriage has made an increase in pedophilia makes me immediately ignore you. That's a pathetic attempt to try and straw-man my argument.


You're telling me that Roe V. Wade being overturned was a bad idea? because according to you more laws and less governing bodies are important. See, I can straw-man too.
 
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LMAO if you ACTUALLY did read my shit you would've find out that i'm against it. Like ?????? are you unable to process words through your mind dude?
"Until you started defending" then you never got to read anything.


Where i stand is i don't like these kind of shows, and i don't like these shows being used as anti-LGBT+ speech and propaganda.
You guys must've missed a lot of reading and text interpretation, because i was very clear where i stand on my previous comments...

You're almost calling me a groomer. Get a hold on yourself, i don't know you and never offended you. This is a serious accusation, and if we weren't on an online forum you would face consequences for your words.
What offends me is this stupid argument "x action done by y community that is objectively harmful is going to be used against y community therefore we shouldn't talk or do anything about action x and instead cry about how opressed group y is". Whatever you have or haven't done, by saying supid shit like this you are actively defending groomers. And this goes beyond lgbt. Its the exact same argument used minimize terrorist attacks because talking about them harms a certain religion. If you dont want to be demonised, focus your efforts on purging the part of your community that is responsible for this, like shoeonhead does for example. Lgbt people are looking really bad in the past few months, and if the propoganda against you is working, thats not our fault, its yours.
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???????????????

What the hell are you even trying to say????
The implication of laws implies that there HAS to be a governing body of some sort.
The police and court
 
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