UPDATE GameStop's stock closes today at $347.23 per share; up from under $4 last year

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GameStop, the world's biggest retail video game chain has had a wild and turbulent 12 months to say the least. As the video game market continues on its inevitable trek to becoming more and more of an entirely digital industry, GameStop has clearly been struggling to adjust to the changes. GameStop drama has been covered here on GBAtemp in the past, from its switch to focusing on merchandise and legacy games, to its decision to remain open following the COVID-19 pandemic, to its reversal of that decision. However, perhaps GameStop's craziest story has very little to do with the financial success of the company itself.

Prior to this month, GME (GameStop's stock ticker)'s 5 year high was approximately $33 in April of 2016. However, that figure drastically plunged down to under $4 in 2020. This month however, that figure has absolutely skyrocketed above anybody's expectations--closing out today (January 27th) at $347.23 a share. Many factors went into this large stock price; primarily a battle waging between investors of the /r/wallstreetbets subreddit and the short seller Melvin Capital. In essence, Melvin is betting that the stock price will fall below $60 by Friday, while hundreds of thousands of investors on /r/wallstreetbets have been rallying together to keep the price above $60 in hopes that it will skyrocket even further. Allegedly, "$1,000 GME by EoW is not a meme!"

Always remember to invest at your own risk, and know that nothing posted on GBAtemp or /r/wallstreetbets regarding this situation should be construed as financial advice.

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If bankruptcy is the last resort, the borrow money just to cover shorts instead buy back stocks from from who screw them up, sound very legit and probable.

I doubt anyone would have lent them the money unless they used it to close the short position, if they go bankrupt then the people lending the money don't get it back & they know melvin's position. They can't just pretend that everything is fine and just need a bit of cash to get them through the weekend, it's in every newspaper.

You make money by knowing something that other people don't. So if the information you want is available to everyone then you can't make money out of it anyway.

Not that knowing anything would appear to be important anyway....

DontTrustJack

Also, what if Melvin and co have been trying to offset the short positions via puts and calls? I remember someone saying that it is possible to do this via a complicated way. Im not sure myself which is why I'm asking it here.

Would that be possible? And could the 50% SI be the true number atm.


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I dont know but i choose to ignore anything that doesnt fuel my confirmation bias
 
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been browsing WSB's most recent topics, all topics are preumably people showing (real??) pics about they are hold GME and hopes to the moon.
And if some new topics basically telling people to sell GME stocks get immediately mod/locked/deleted, how you see this?
 

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but seriously how did u guy know in advance that SPECIFIC SHARE is going to skyrocket?

I know i'm just a follower, it kinda sucks that other claim the glory 1st.

On the basic front then you have supply and demand. Supply is generally fixed (while possible for companies to issue shares or sell some more you don't generally get new shares when it is on a public market and it is a notable event when it happens, sometimes companies will even buy shares back*) and thus if there is a lack of it and people want it then prices go up as people can and will want more of it.
For the sake of being complete then you make money on shares in two occasions. 1) When you sell the shares at a higher price than you bought them for and 2) if the company pays dividends (a cut of their profits) to shareholders. Short sellers still do 1 but they basically sell now when the price is high and only have to pay up in the future, hopefully when the price is low. You can go long (so years in the future you think they will be worth more) or you can go short (years in the future you don't know and don't care, however next month they will have something big so will just keep it for long enough for the price to rise a little and then cash out) but going short is not the same as short selling.


*if the company own their own shares they have a bigger say in how the company is run, don't have to give out as much profits in terms of dividends and so forth.


The skyrocketing up things happens in one of two occasions.

1) The company invents something really special/popular and has exclusive rights to it. You still have idiots -- when Pokemon Go got popular then many investors (and investors themselves will tell you they are generally clueless about anything particularly in depth) lept on Nintendo despite Nintendo only getting a small cut and even then it would only be a fraction of what they get from merchandise and barely changed profits. So yeah you can watch news reports, for films and games then early reviews/leaks, if films are popular then cinemas (a related market -- big film comes, everybody goes to the cinema to see it and buy popcorn) might do well, if you have reports that a pharmaceutical company has a game changing medicine it has exclusive rights to that has passed testing and the disease troubles millions then they will probably be making millions (actually making a medicine is usually quite easy once you know the formula). If a mining company strikes oil/gold/whatever valuable thing people dig out of the ground. Can also happen when a government steps in and plays with the market (subsidies, fixed prices and whatever else) but that is a slightly different topic.
2) Demand needed to satisfy some market force. In this case it was a group of short sellers (covered elsewhere but if you sell something today at 10 but only have to actually give asset over in a week and in said week it costs 5 you buy it all up at 5, give it over and keep the difference. However if it rises to 15 and you have to buy it then you lose money, if it goes to 100 you lose a lot of money) somehow were asleep at the wheel, or maybe just did not expect to be challenged, and had promised to provide more stock than technically exists** (if they didn't then massive fines, fees, interest payments, loss of their liquid assets and whatever else... bad stuff if you are an investment company). By gathering up a bunch of individuals they were able to make it so no stock was available (normally individuals don't have enough money to buy several hundred thousand shares even at low values) and these short sellers needed to get it and would pay almost any price, as would those simply seeing the numbers shooting up and expecting to get a little bit (if you buy in at 100 and sell for 200 you have doubled your money, possibly in a day, even if it eventually goes to 100000). Short selling is conducted somewhat out in the open (there are some dark pools but eh) as someone has to take the other side of the bet so the extent to which the stock was shorted (or at least a low estimate) was visible and they got caught out.
Other times it might be they are the best bet out of a bad bunch.
2a) in more recent times we have seen what some might term aspirational investors. If you look at traditional things like profit and loss sheets, debts held, market share, likely growth and so forth then Tesla is probably one of the most over valued things in history -- they are a small car company with a few charging stations, however some seem to think they are a tech company (every computer user in the world could have a copy of my application tomorrow for the cost of a bit of bandwidth, you have to actually build cars and pay for electricity, hence options for massive growth in tech) and others are filthy hippies and want electric cars to win and think Tesla are THE electric car company so there is that. Earlier in the thread I also mentioned that places like PETA (animals rights nut jobs) buying companies in meat companies to say "we are the shareholders, listen to us and make vegan meat".
You also have the "market share" types. Go look up the profits for Amazon. Even with their shady accounting and tax avoidance (some might say evasion) methods they are still quite small. However as they are owning more and more of everything then investors are still buying and buying and buying stock both because others are buying and buying and buying and because "one day" they will own a lot and start paying out real money to those investors.

**in some ways it might not be as bad as it seems. You have your bets on the price going down due at 7 days and 14 days and when you give it back at 7 the owner might think "this is worthless junk, I will sell it again" and you buy it back to fulfil your 14 day due date. If however a bunch of internet types (or another big investment firm) are holding onto it for giggles and profit then you might be in trouble and have to start offering more and more.


Skyrocketing down, which is something many short sellers would love to see happen and also allows you to make money, happens for much the same reasons as above but the negative/failures there and a few more.
If said game/film company (which might only do one or two works per year) has made a stinker (again early reviews, leaked reports from developers, leaked gameplay/footage/script) it is probably going to suffer.
If a company is denied a loan or has its credit rating drop. A lot of companies don't keep money in a bank account for a rainy day and instead will rely on being able to borrow money if they have unexpected expenses, or take a bit longer to get the profit in. They might also want to get a loan to buy new machines to make more money.
If a company just lost a big lawsuit and is going to be paying out a lot of money.
A company just lost a big contract to do something/make something/distribute something that represented most of their revenue. Apple are notorious for this in getting chip companies to build bigger and bigger factories, only to then say "we don't want your chips any more" in a few years and leaving the chip company with massive factories producing more chips than anybody ever wants.
If the company's main production plant just turned into a warzone (or burned down, or flooded -- see Thailand hard drives some years ago)
If the investors are going to be shown to be idiots -- wework and theranos being two of the big ones in recent times. The former was a sub leasing agency (that is to say they bought long term contracts for real estate and sold it on for short term clients, said short term clients not necessarily always being there to rent something, not necessarily always paying, usually being ones to break things as they are only there for a little while... basically all the horror stories with rental vs ownership of property and how people treat it), but as they made it an app to access it then idiot investors (and possibly some smart ones that cashed out early -- money is money and if you make it off gullible other investors then who cares?) thought they were the next big revolution and would make all the money. They didn't. Theranos claimed to be a medical device that any biologist, medical doctor or indeed half bright high school student would say was impossible but they had a bunch of flashy marketing material and a somewhat attractive woman fronting it that would get on all the covers of magazines and get interviews on news stations (who we should remember are as clueless as anybody in all this -- when was the last time you heard a news station actually do a bit of hard hitting news or ask tough questions to people they interview, indeed those that do tend not to get people come in for their clickbait interviews as much as those that will do a puff piece) and thus drive up PR ratings. A lie might have travelled halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its shoes on but eventually physics/reality does catch up and nobody has yet managed to beat that.

You might have "insider trading" to worry about in this. If your mate is a manager in the pharmaceutical company phones you up and say they realise it is going to fail trials of their newest biggest drug and they don't have anything else (have spent billions getting to that point), and in fact are going to get sued into oblivion as it is worse still and their last drug turns out kills you at the 5 year mark, but nobody outside the company knows yet and you go shorting it expecting the stock price to go down then that would be insider trading. That is the sort of thing very rich and very powerful people get very serious fines, jail time and more for so probably best to avoid that one. It can be hard to prove.

By and large most would say keep an eye out for these massive jump type things if you can but most would be more focused on simple gains. Your profits will inevitably be compared to inflation (how much money decreases in value each year -- in the 60s my grandma might have got a house for £3000 but today £3000 is less than rent for a year sort of thing), interest rates for a basic savings account, indexes (if you bought one share of every stock on an exchange and left it at that). Oh and for all the super smart people they supposedly employ, analysis of all the things in the market they undertake, people (and robots) watching the news for negative and positive things to jump up, insider trading that does not happen (but really happens), reading the terminally boring investor reports and whatever else there are very rarely any investment funds that consistently beat the index discussed in the last point there -- "time in the market beats timing the market" being a phrase you might hear.

This also said basically nothing about general market strategy wherein you care more about things like profit and loss statements, debts, and whatever else. Also nothing about fun things like high frequency trading.
 
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Another interesting thing is occurring right now: many redditers are reporting that trade app like Robinhood (Fidelity is down) is still preventing retailers to buy-in GME, AMC stocks, but only allows to sell stocks you already own, isn't this illegal as F?!

This has caused many retailers to panic selling and price drop, which is clear sign of market manipulation, free market my ass.

This whole situation remind me a very popular scen:

"why are we still here?"
"Just to suffer(holding)?"
 
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but only allows to sell stocks you already own, isn't this illegal as F?!

I am not sure they have to let you buy anything.

If they are restricting it again then it's because it's costing them too much money.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/active-trading/020515/how-robinhood-makes-money.asp

This has caused many retailers to panic selling and price drop, which is clear sign of market manipulation, free market my ass.

Nobody can force you to sell, you can't force anyone to hold. The price is set by the people buying and selling. It seems pretty free.

Gamestop isn't worth the current price, it will drop. If it's only worth more if everyone acts together then you have a problem as you can't make that happen & trying to is probably illegal.

Supposedly DFV has sold, IMO anything you've read on wsb or heard on the news in the last week is a pump and dump to wring out the most $$$'s from retail investors. There are probably a few people who have some crusade, but it's too few to actually make anything happen.

on wsb....

imnotatreeyet
yea like look I hope im wrong, I really do, cause people are going to lose a lot here. We see people saying I put my life savings in, or I used my student loan money. Thats dangerous as fuck. I just lost 40k on GME options last week, I can shrug it off and have a laugh, but these people wont be able to.

Hope people can just think for themselves, this sub is just spamming the same stuff over and over and it really seems like the shills are among us, they are just saying what we all want to hear so we accept them.


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I can't believe people are still in, this sub is became completely out of control and a cultish echo chamber.

Over in r/stocks and r/investing there are people posting their position and asking "if they are fucked" and in reality, yes, they are.

The latest to buy in was last week, Tuesday and the time to sell was Thursday. Soon as those blocks came on buy people should have dumped and ran with the profits. If people had bought in Monday, they were up nearly 500% at that time.

This sub is no longer a YOLO loss porn sub, it's about to become a graveyard of broken dreams and false promises.


Less pump and dumping going on here

https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/comments/lasgrh/gamestop_big_picture_theory_strategy_reality/
 
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I am not sure they have to let you buy anything.
many redditors claimed that earlier today, the buy-in for GME stocks was blocked to prevent another shorts, but stats still recorded high volume of trade, this mean the buy-in is limited to everyone but Melvin invest..

Nobody can force you to sell
i never said they had been forced to, it was caused by the mind game which tricked then to think the stock price was dropping which caused retailers to panic selling at loss, in favor ofc the Hedge fund.
 

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many redditors claimed that earlier today, the buy-in for GME stocks was blocked to prevent another shorts, but stats still recorded high volume of trade, this mean the buy-in is limited to everyone but Melvin invest..

Many redditors claim many things. IMO Melvin closed out their position last week & a load of new shorts came in at $300 and have made a whole load of money out of the retail $$.

RH isn't the only place to buy shares, it's just the cheapest as it has no commission. They have to cover their costs and meet regulatory capital deposit limits to allow you to trade.

Gentleman_ToBed
If there is nothing to this whole fiasco, why is retail buy trading still limited across all major US platforms?

Diet_Fanta
Because of clearinghouses needing 2 days to clear sell trades and RH having a liquidity issue

I may be wrong, but I think wsb's coverage of GME has been the equivalent of Trump saying that the election was rigged and that dead people voted and ballots were tossed in the river. Apparently all the posts were down voted that explained that there was no evidence of the laddering attacks. All the "i'm a retard" posts are possibly correct, but maybe they just played you.

I'm not really sure about that. People keep saying that on reddit, but no one has provided any numbers to support it. From my relatively brief review of volume as of this morning, it definitely looks like the HFs could have covered their shorts given the volume. IIRC, the volume I looked at was about 40M per day. Given Melvin's prior short position, reported losses, and the reported value of the HF, it seems reasonable that the major short positions covered as of late last week -- even if they were at ~140% on the short. I'm not an expert in finance (although I am a business lawyer with an econ degree and halfway through an MBA program), so I'm more than open to someone telling me I'm missing something.

GME are probably going to issue more stock soon too.

While those short positions will probably need closing, I suspect it's a long way off and the price is going to collapse for a long time. It might be worth buying back in at $4.

misc1444
The WSB crowd have gone total qanon. Every unfavourable data point is dismissed as fake news, and they convinced themselves that a couple of smaller hedge funds control (i) the entire financial media (ii) the SEC and (iii) all the retail brokerages in the world. They construct these elaborate theories about short ladder attacks and whatnot when the simplest explanation is that their little pump & dump has moved into the dump stage.

I'm not sure I see enough people buying into it a second time though.


I hope burned investors don't spend too much money trying to sue RH

BobanTheGiant
No. This is where the media and WSB not understanding how the back-end of trading works. All securities and money transfers are done through a clearing firm called DTCC. DTCC holds all of the risk, and because all these new players (small retail traders) sudenly piled in and volume spiked, DTCC became massively exposed. Stocks and the cash exchanged for them settle T+2 after trade date. DTCC ran the risk in those two days till settlement that thousands (maybe millions?) of people would back away from trades, and DTCC would be either out cash or unable to deliver the stock shares. So they forced RH and these other discount brokerage shops to up the collateral (money) on any new long positions opened by any clients at these discount shops. So RH had to go out and borrow $1 billion to meet DTCC's new collateral requirements, and subsequently decided, we don't want to further draw from our credit facilities, when we can lower our own risk and exposure by halting trading in these stocks. But since most people can't understand how this works, you get the stories that RH is working with hedge funds to screw the little guy

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So this is complicated because there are multiple moving parts. DTCC wouldn't take the hit. Whoever was waiting for the delivery of the option (or shares of stock if it was a regular trade) would be "failing to receive," while their cash would already be delivered to the counterparty, and it would be on that counterparty to ultimately make proper delivery. But DTCC holds the stock and bond certificates for over 95% of all Wall Street transactions, and so it needs to guarantee that its counterparties are solvent, and solvent not just on the day of the trade, but solvent T+2 when the trade actually settles. But because DTCC is this massive middle man, it needs to have the confidence of all potential counterparites that it can make both cash and bond/stock delivery by T+2. If counterparties start going belly up, and DTCC can't make delivery, bulge bracket banks are going to lose confidence in it, be afraid to trade and suddenly you have market panic in every sector throughout the world.

Now you may say, "of course RH would be solvent in T+2, all these people buying stocks have the cash on hand in their accounts and RH can use this cash to send to DTCC." But say you buy GME at 20 on 1/26, sell it @ 350 on 1/27, and on 1/27 use those proceeds to buy AMC. RH has not settled your buy on 1/26 @ 20, nor has it settled your sell @ 350 (meaning it hasn't received this cash), and yet you've now also bought the AMC shares. It needs collateral (in this case money) to send to DTCC on 1/27 to ensure your AMC purchase, and that money isn't in your account because its already being used to settle your GME purchase. So RH now needs to go out and borrow money (probably via overnight funds). But the volume it was seeing on its platform was raising the amount of its collateral it needed to post with DTCC to such a high level, combined with drawing down on its credit facility, that DTCC had to raise its own internal alert and say "this counterparty is potentially at risk." Was RH at risk? It's not clear, and I'd say it was highly unlikely to fail. But given its market volume over the last couple of days, DTCC couldn't afford it to fail, which is why it raised its collateral levels to essentially 100% for RH, and then RH made the decision that it was better for its solvency to stop trading then to having to keep process trades and borrow more and more cash.

Then you have to add in RH isn't a bank, and so it's lending out nearly all uninvested clients cash overnight to other banks to ensure clients money is safe via FDIC insurance policies, which means it can't use its other clients money to post as collateral.

Happy to answer any other questions you may have, this is complicated to begin with, before you get to the fact that all of this is essentially imaginary since you can't physically touch bonds or stocks.
 
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BEFORE GME, now AMC and NAKD, JESUS look at volume, PEOPLE ARE STILL BUYING LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW!!! what the fuuuuk is going on?
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after RH was forced to lift buy-in throttling.

After RH was able to lift it's restrictions.

I thought everyone on WSB was abandoning RH though.

A few WSB are doubling down to lower their average, hoping that the price will offset their losses when buying in at $300-$400. There could be a big sell off on the 9th though. In which case they've just bought a bigger bag to hold.
 
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After RH was able to lift it's restrictions.

I thought everyone on WSB was abandoning RH though.

A few WSB are doubling down to lower their average, hoping that the price will offset their losses when buying in at $300-$400. There could be a big sell off on the 9th though. In which case they've just bought a bigger bag to hold.
Always the one who wanted to put last words huh? just think this way: if RH won't lift the GME, among NOK AMC... buy-in limitations, what will happens? Mass immigration to competitor's service platform, class action against RH company in contrast of free market, and ass wideopen by the regulators.

how many choice does RH have? you can figure it out a such simple thing, ur IQ is indeed as low as #GS stock.
 

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Always the one who wanted to put last words huh? just think this way: if RH won't lift the GME, among NOK AMC... buy-in limitations, what will happens? Mass immigration to competitor's service platform, class action against RH company in contrast of free market, and ass wideopen by the regulators.

how many choice does RH have? you can figure it out a such simple thing, ur IQ is indeed as low as #GS stock.

If RH are physically incapable of letting you buy those stocks when you have no guarantee that they'll see you any stocks, then suing them won't achieve anything. Robinhood allow you to buy it now and it's actually cheaper than it was, so if you like the stock then buy it. It's certainly better to buy now than at the end of January. "RH wouldn't let me buy the stock when it was more expensive, but will now" is an interesting court case "bbbut we wanted to manipulate the market".

Wall street made an absolute killing off the back off the retail investors piling in and if anything they would have made more money if RH had the capacity to trade those stocks at the time. The next round is going to be dominated by rival hedge funds, it could get interesting.

All these dreams of RH being punished are because you are acting like a victim. Some people might go to a different platform, but the majority will stay for the same reason they used it in the first place.

I didn't buy gamestop in the last few month, so I guess my IQ is fine. As for last word, I don't think that is how forums work. But you seem upset that you didn't have the last word.
 
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Bit of a bump but it does not merit a full thread in the finance section really
The Melvin Capital hedge fund that was a central party in this apparently is closing, largely courtesy of the losses from all this and risky strategies to try to make it back up
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/19/investing/melvin-capital-hedge-fund-closes/index.html
Though some ponder shenanigans as one of the ones to make one of those big loans during the event is set to scoop up quite a few customers.

Melvin stuff in the first few minutes (rest of the video is a market update, though if you find yourself one of the bag holders as it were then you could do a lot worse than watch the rest and learn how to properly analyse markets).

Also in case you missed it the SEC released a report on the matter some months back now (though since last post in this thread), they downplay the effects of the little guy in this (plausibly as well compared to the works of fiction that are things like the CPI)
 

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