Net Neutrality: what it is, and why you should care

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UPDATE: It's been voted for repeal. The FCC took Net Neutrality to a vote, and it was 3-2, in favor of repeal. This doesn't mean overnight upheaval, but things will certainly change, for better or worse, in due time.
If you've been on the internet at all the past week, there's a high chance that you've heard of something called "Net Neutrality", and you've also likely heard that there might be huge changes to your usage of the internet entirely. This post serves as a quick information briefing on what Net Neutrality is, what could happen if it's repealed, and the current events going on regarding it, and just general visibility to let the community in general be informed.

What is this Net Neutrality thing?


The basic definition of network neutrality is simple: all internet traffic is considered and treated equally. It was established just a bit under three years ago, in February 2015. It prevented companies like Comcast Xfinity and AT&T U-verse from speeding up, or slowing down certain sites based upon content. If you remember, back in July 2017, mobile provider Verizon admitted to targeting Netflix traffic, and specifically throttling it, negatively affecting customers' use of Netflix. Going back to 2014, there were also issues with Comcast customers, and, that's right, Netflix users, as connections to Netflix were notoriously slow. Netflix then entered a legal deal with Comcast, in order to have Netflix connections be faster than they previously were. The 2014 incident was pre-net neutrality, and shows that before the law was enacted, certain sites like Netflix were indeed slowed, and had to specifically bargain with large telecommunication monopolies like Comcast to get fair speeds out to their customers.

In April 2017, the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), Ajit Pai, revealed that he had plans to repeal net neutrality. It's worth noting that Pai was once the Associate General Counsel of Verizon Communications, an incredibly high up position with an ISP, who we've stated before as having throttled websites in the past.

Pai's statements on the matter included saying such things as "[the government] would be able to stop micromanaging the internet" and that the FCC and internet service providers would simply have to be "transparent about their practices so that consumers can buy a service plan that's best for them". Shortly after, Comcast began vocally supporting these statements, claiming that government regulation of the internet has been harming innovation and investments of Comcast. David Cohen, the company's Chief Diversity Officer, said that "customers would be clearly informed on our practices [...] Comcast maintains that it does and will not block, throttle, or discriminate against lawful content".

Within the movement for repealing net neutrality, also comes with power being given to the Federal Trade Commission. The FTC would then have the ability to legally charge internet service providers that were not made clear to customers.

You may notice, that within any of the claims made by Pai or Comcast, that equal traffic was never made the focus, instead putting emphasis on making sure these monopolies must be clear and transparent about what they do, but never laying down any solid rules about what they need to be transparent about or why. And, of course, if the FTC were to go after AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, Time Warner, or other assorted companies for not being transparent, these legal cases would find themselves taking years to make their way to court, allowing for them to have their way with their customers until a definitive legal ruling. Therein lies the first batch of unease and controversy with the repeal.

In short, net neutrality is a fairly new regulation, which allows for equal traffic between all sites while using the internet. The chairman of the FCC and former higher-up of Verizon wants to repeal it, however. This would allow less government interference with ISPs, but would also allow those ISPs to do what they wish, so long as they're "transparent".

Does repealing Net Neutrality have any benefits?

Spoiler alert: not really

From the inception of the internet, and up until 2015, Americans have gone without net neutrality. Ajit Pai claims that should we not have net neutrality anymore, more rural areas would be able to have more companies and providers, and it would allow for more competition and choice for the consumer. However, these smaller companies would also have to fight it out with established services, with years of experience and infrastructure refinements.

As a side note, I've spent thirty minutes researching a potential "pro" argument. I've not found many that seem reasonable. I've listed in the spoiler tag below arguments from other websites and blogs.

Green Garage Blog: While net neutrality allows for freedom of speech, the downside is that almost anything can be posted to the internet. This means that the cruelest or insensitive information imaginable can end up on the internet, and as a result, it can cause a lot of problems from people that otherwise wouldn’t be prone to being under the microscope of criticism. This means that people can post cruel, intimidating, or other harassing messages and often get away with it thanks to free speech legislation. So it can be a very toxic environment for a lot of people to put up with.

Vittana: Reduced income from internet uses limits infrastructure improvements.
There are certain businesses and high-use individuals who consume large amounts of bandwidth every month. If net neutrality was removed, these high-level consumers would be asked to pay more for what they consume. This added income could then be used to upgrade the infrastructure of each internet service provider, making it possible for advanced fiber networks to be installed in many communities.

AEI: But in many instances, fast lanes, zero-rating, and the like benefit customers. In separate research, both former FCC Chief Economist Michael Katz (with Ben Hermalin) and I (with Janice Hauge) showed that fast lanes benefit small content providers in their attempts to compete with established industry leaders. AEI scholar Roslyn Layton has shown that elderly and low-income consumers benefit from zero-rating services.

Basically, the only benefit would be if America's current economy wasn't dominated by monopolistic ISPs. Below is an interview with Ajit Pai, showing his perspective.


Scrapping these rules, Pai told Reason's Nick Gillespie, won't harm consumers or the public interest because there was no reason for them in the first place. The rationales were mere "phantoms that were conjured up by people who wanted the FCC for political reasons to overregulate the internet," Pai told Gillespie. "We were not living in a digital dystopia in the years leading up to 2015."

If left in place, however, the Title II rules could harm the commercial internet, which Pai described as "one of the most incredible free market innovations in history."

"Companies like Google and Facebook and Netflix became household names precisely because we didn't have the government micromanaging how the internet would operate," said Pai, who noted that the Clinton-era decision not to regulate the Internet like a phone utility or a broadcast network was one of the most important factors in the rise of our new economy.

Pai also pushed back against claims that he's a right-wing radical who's "fucking things up."

"[I ascribe to] the very radical, right-wing position that the Clinton administration basically got it right when it came to digital infrastructure."


What happens if/when this gets repealed, and what does this mean for you?


The worst part of this, is that there's no definitive answer of what WILL happen, only what CAN happen. What has people concerned, though, is the potential things that larger ISPs can do with this new power, should net neutrality be repealed. Internet service providers could slow access to specific sites, and speed up others, in theory, others specifically being sites who pay ISPs for faster access, and those partnered or in contracts with ISPs. Websites like Google, Amazon, Reddit, Etsy, Netflix, and many more have all broadcast their support of net neutrality, stating that without these rules in place thanks to net neutrality, internet providers would become gatekeepers to the internet, restricting what customers can see. Without definitive government restrictions, these companies could be free to split access to the internet into packages, like cable TV, indeed making true on the intention of lowering the cost of internet access, but also making it more difficult and expensive to see all of the internet, as you can right now.

Likely, what will happen, though everything is up in the air, is that certain ISPs will utilize what's called "fast lanes" and "zero rating". Fast lanes are sort of like what we talked about at the start, with Netflix and Comcast. Currently, these fast lanes and zero rating are used with mobile phone data. AT&T customers can watch DirecTV (owned by AT&T) via their mobile data, without it counting towards their monthly cap. These rules could be applied to home internet as well; if you're a Comcast user, and you want to watch Hulu (owned by NBC-Universal-Comcast), maybe your connection to Hulu will be lightning fast, thanks to these theoretical fast lanes, and they won't go towards your Comcast monthly 1 Terabyte home cap. But what if you want to watch Netflix? Either Netflix will have much lower picture quality, or take a longer time to connect to. And if Netflix pays a fee, or gets into a contract once again with Comcast, then that potentially means that Netflix's increased costs move down to the consumer, who also now has to pay more for a service as well.

What can we do?


The only thing left to do is let your voice be heard. Social media has exploded without people decrying the impending repeal of net neutrality, and the negatives that it would entail, to the point of where the majority of Reddit has been plastered with net neutrality posts.

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The FCC will take the repeal to a vote on December 14, 2017. It is highly predicted that the repeal will pass, and net neutrality will come to an end. Millions have taken to the site "battleforthenet" and "callmycongress" to contact their local representatives and congressmen in order to show that American citizens don't want net neutrality destroyed.

You can learn more at the links below. Hopefully this is helpful in describing what net neutrality is, and why it shouldn't be taken away.

:arrow:Techcrunch: These are the arguments against net neutrality and why they're wrong

:arrow: Extra Credits: What a closed internet means

:arrow:Phillip DeFranco: The Internet is under attack

:arrow:Save the internet: What you need to know


:arrow:Ars Technica: RIP net neutrality
 

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No one said it was out of compassion or anything like that. No one was even arguing that.
http://corporate.comcast.com/comcas...classification-title-ii-is-not-net-neutrality
Before you screech at me linking a corporate comcast link, read it in full, and click the sources.
Now read this part at least three times.

We all need to step back from the partisan rhetoric that has too often impeded rational discussion on net neutrality. There is widespread consensus on what strong net neutrality rules should look like. It’s time for all of us to work together to protect American consumers and to advance those important principles without a misguided Title II overhang. We are committed to getting there – and through every step of the process, we are committed to preserve net neutrality rules and to protect our customers.

The key to take from this is the partisan "us vs them" shit is getting no one anywhere. Hopefully you can agree with me on this. People are wrongly demonizing Ajit, myself, and literally anyone who is critical of the current classifications and regulations, as if we're all preaching for the internet to get murdered or some shit. Likewise, I've found in places like 4chan (which is already a shithole so this is probably to be expected) anyone who argues for net neutrality is just a reddit shill. I think there's a validity to both arguments, and that is people are taking sides on topics they do not fully understand. Computerus3r is the absolute best example.
They're a fucking corporation bro, this isn't about politics. They removed part of that pledge not too long ago, none the less.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...ity-pledge-the-same-day-fcc-announced-repeal/
 
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Sorry, not reading that. Comes from a corporation :D
Not the one controlling your access to the internet, though. So you'd think you'd still be more critical of Comcast, they don't hold themselves to journalistic standards. Ajit Pai (Verizon shill) has been lying through his teeth about this issue the entire time, and nobody's fooled.
 
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Not the ones controlling your access to the internet, though. So you'd think you'd still be more critical of Comcast, they don't hold themselves to journalistic standards.
But bro, it's from a corporation! Why should I read your link? Clearly the corporation is just trying to fuck people, duh!
 
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But bro, it's from a corporation! Why should I read your link? Clearly the corporation is just trying to fuck people, duh!
Journalism usually loses money (unless it's garbage infotainment/etc), and that's the difference. They aren't doing it out of purely capitalist motives like Comcast and Verizon and Pai are. Fucking people over, especially in the case of Net Neutrality, increases their bottom line. So it's really just a byproduct of the unbridled greed.
 
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Journalism usually loses money (unless it's garbage infotainment/etc), and that's the difference. They aren't doing it out of purely capitalist motives like Comcast and Verizon and Pai are.
Nah bro, arguments don't work when it's a corporation we're talking about. After all, all corporations are greedy and want to fuck you.

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Hopefully my parody has put into perspective how ridiculous you're being. Whether Comcast has done stupid shit or not, them saying something that's correct doesn't mean their statement is somehow incorrect. The fact you've refused to even read the post, and look at the sources it has present demonstrates pretty damn well how fair you're going to be in any debate like this. If you're refusing to even acknowledge the points of anyone else unless they agree with you, why are you even here?
 
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Nah bro, arguments don't work when it's a corporation we're talking about. After all, all corporations are greedy and want to fuck you.
We were discussing Comcast/TWC and other monopolistic providers, and you're honestly the very first person I've ever met willing to play devil's advocate for them and act like you don't know they're lying. There's an (obvious) motive for Comcast lying about their stance on Net Neutrality regulations, there's no viable motive for ArsTechnica lying about Comcast.
 
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Journalism usually loses money (unless it's garbage infotainment/etc), and that's the difference. They aren't doing it out of purely capitalist motives like Comcast and Verizon and Pai are. Fucking people over, especially in the case of Net Neutrality, increases their bottom line. So it's really just a byproduct of the unbridled greed.
Plus journalists can have their reporting licenses revoked by in-house ethics committees if they're found reporting information falsely in a regular basis
 
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We were discussing Comcast/TWC and other monopolistic providers, and you're honestly the very first person I've ever met willing to play devil's advocate for them and act like you don't know they're lying. There's a motive for Comcast lying about their stance on Net Neutrality regulations, there's no viable motive for ArsTechnica lying about Comcast.
If "I'm not going to get worked up because the past is very clearly evident that nothing's going to happen, or even at worst nothing hellish" means I'm somehow the devil's advocate and means I'm defending every evil act a corporation has ever done then I think you seriously should consider joining the Olympics, because with mental gymnastics of that quality you'd get a gold medal.

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Plus journalists can have their reporting licenses revoked by in-house ethics committees if they're found reporting information falsely in a regular basis
The FCC and FTC both say hello, with them both retaining authority on anti-competitive and anti-consumer practices. Not that you care enough about the topic to be educated on it, though.
 
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I have a lot of things mixed up my guy

Edit: but not this apparently. I just looked it up, and Warner Bros. is the entertainment publishing company for Time Warner Inc., and Time Warner Cable and Comcast merged in 2015
Holy crap if this is true, it's a big deal. Can you send me a link please?
 

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We've gone through every possible argument and your cognitive dissonance has continued to show throughout all of it. I explain that nothing bad is going to happen because nothing bad happened before
See that's just a bald-faced lie. I've already stated several times what resulted from the throttling that started occurring not long before net neutrality finally passed. If "nothing is going to change," then why the fuck would the regulation need to change?

I still can't believe you think I'm the bad guy here because I literally just keep saying "it's not going to be that bad."
I didn't say you were the bad guy, I said you were playing devil's advocate and that I was surprised anyone was willing to with Comcast. I have a friend who works in a big Comcast building in Denver, even he won't defend this bullshit.
 
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I've literally already addressed almost all of these several pages back. If anyone is an idiot, it's you.

>Verizon throttling Netflix
No real explanation for it beyond what you're going to see for the other ones here.

>Comcast throttling bittorrent
I've bitched about this for two straight pages and yet somehow there's always some idiot who brings this up. The bittorrent thing came from users illegally torrenting software and content, and using so much bandwidth while downloading and seeding that Comcast just said "fuck off" and throttled them during peak hours to ensure the network remained stable, and had solid performance for their customers. What would you rather have? 2 kilobytes a second because a bunch of dickwavers wanna torrent the latest NIN album with no courtesy for anyone else on their network, or 2 megabytes a second while the people downloading illegal stuff don't get shit? Mind you, legitimate, legal torrents, such as linux distros, were allowed just fine.
http://hightechforum.org/fact-checking-net-neutrality-violations/ Source.

>Verizon wireless apparently throttles streaming video to 10mbps
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http://hightechforum.org/fact-checking-net-neutrality-violations/
Again, posting this source since it has numerous sources linked it in and provides a frame of history for this sort of thing. Once again, Netflix and Youtube are soaking up shittons of data and an ISP is managing this so that the rest of the service can remain stable, and usable for everyone else. Is there corporate fuckery going on? Maybe. It's a possibility, but it's a possibility with everything. People only treat that possibility like it's the reality whenever companies they dislike are involved.

>rockfather link
We're doing this again.
Same deal as 1 2 and 3.
If any of you are familiar with Doom, many universities would have to write software that banned doom, or ban Doom's network protocol because when people would go on lunch, 9/10 times, the network would be flooded and brought to it's knees from doom LAN parties. I think it's a very similar situation here. It's undeniable that Netflix and Youtube have become bandwidth sponges.
 
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So, before any of you prepare to call me a shill, shut up and read this in full. I'm going to actively ignore your post if you actively ignore mine. Surely if you're so correct and can demonstrate how correct you are, you can make arguments against mine, right? Right?

I'm cropping out some of the more detestable language from the image but you can verify these statements inside the document it links, which, whenever the fuck it comes back up, can be found here: https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-347927A1.pdf

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What this means is that ISPs that pledge to agree by these terms, and pledge to not throttle/block legal content, absolutely must uphold that, and if found to not do so, the FTC jumps their asses.

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Again, the FTC gets to step in and slap their magnum dong on their heads if they do this. Act found here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act

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Going back to what I said earlier. An ISP must disclose everything it's doing such as throttling and whatever (which mind you is limited to *illegal* content. Not legal. If they do any throttling of legal content, they're also getting fucked) or else it will be fucked just for failing to disclose it.

Just FAILING to disclose will get it punished on the grounds of anti-competition.

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And finally the ultimate nuke that should make all you fear-mongerers shut up: If these new regulations are found to be a huge fucking issue, guess what? There's a clause that specifically says a future commission can reinstate the Title II Order, meaning that while they find the measures to return to Title 2 based on their proposal unnecessary, the option is there should it become necessary. Not only does that mean we're gonna go back to how everything is now should this be a catastrophic failure, but it also means we can improve and better the entire regulations.

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So this brings me to one final question that has failed to be answered:

Why are there multiple ISPs supporting these rules and calling them more fair when the regulation specifically gives groups like the FTC the authority to fuck them the second they toe out of line? Do you think maybe it might just be because they won't have overbearing lawyers breathing down their necks with lawsuits over broad rulings and broad statements, and instead have a specific ruleset they have to follow? If you were given a set of rules with no specific examples or proper frame of reference, I'm sure you'd get fed the fuck up with administrators constantly stomping on your nuts for things you never knew were against the rules.
 

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Why are there multiple ISPs supporting these rules and calling them more fair when the regulation specifically gives groups like the FTC the authority to fuck them the second they toe out of line? Do you think maybe it might just be because they won't have overbearing lawyers breathing down their necks with lawsuits over broad rulings and broad statements, and instead have a specific ruleset they have to follow? If you were given a set of rules with no specific examples or proper frame of reference, I'm sure you'd get fed the fuck up with administrators constantly stomping on your nuts for things you never knew were against the rules.
If ISPs liked to follow rules and regulations they simply wouldn't be trying to repeal this one. I can guarantee you they have no intention of putting in new rules or regulations, they could do that without repealing NN. The FTC right now is run by pretty much the same people that run Comcast/Verizon/etc, so your whole theory that everything will be fine hinging on them doesn't really work.
 
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If ISPs liked to follow rules and regulations they simply wouldn't be trying to repeal this one. I can guarantee you they have no intention of putting in new rules or regulations, they could do that without repealing NN. The FTC right now is run by pretty much the same people that run Comcast/Verizon/etc, so your whole theory that everything will be fine hinging on them doesn't really work.
Gonna need you to shush and read my post hunnykins. Thanks.
 
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I did, there was nothing new or surprising about it to make me change my mind. There are no beneficiaries of Net Neutrality repeal outside of big ISPs and mobile carriers. None.
Where are you getting the ridiculous idea that the concept of net neutrality as a whole is being repealed? Perhaps I see why your mind doesn't change, you don't actually pay attention.
 

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Where are you getting the ridiculous idea that the concept of net neutrality as a whole is being repealed? Perhaps I see why your mind doesn't change, you don't actually pay attention.
Title II is Net Neutrality, stop trying to play semantics with me. Trusting megacorps that already have a bad track record on holding themselves to "promises" is quite frankly moronic. If they knew by instinct how to be ethical, there would be no regulations required to begin with.
 
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