QUOTE said:Yes... homebrew...
YES .. homebrew and nothing else! Moonshell for watching movies, clirc to chat with friends, scummvm to play my old fav point and click games.
QUOTE said:Yes... homebrew...
ReddPaint said:Sure, people steal s h i t all the time, that's a redundant argument. My point was, flashcard users are destroying the already fragile grounds for legitimate usage of flashcards id est homebrew/backups. Homebrew's justification is tainted because thieves use the scene as coverage to try to legitimize their actions. Sure a flashcard manufacture can care less if you use their product to play illegally obtained games, they just want to move their merchandise, which, as a capitalist, is fine by me. The responsibility in the end, lays in the hands of the individual user. Exempli gratia: You can attempt to operate a motor vehicle under the influence of a controlled substance to get you from point A to B, pretty much not exactly what the manufactures intended their product to be used for, but arguably within the legal means. You can also take that same car and intentionally drive it into a bunch of school kids while intoxicated because you hate children...most places (that I know of) would frown upon these actions, and are illegal buy all means, but an individual can choose to use the product in an ill manner, the total opposite of it's intention. In contrast, using a product to run unsigned code on a DSi or what ever is totally different from using it to play stolen games. It comes down to the individual's moral standing and sense of honor, and as a soldier of more then 11 years, it disturbs me to see how many of you sit among the dishonorable.
Basically what I have been trying to say. I'm not using it to steal anything Nintendo...or anyone else...will sell me, so what's the bitch? How'm I cutting into anyone's profits...by obtaining the games I actually want? I'm an old-schooler. If they refuse to service us old-schoolers (when they COULD do so...and at zero production cost to them) how can they rightly complain if I go elsewhere to get what I want?
They ought not have a right to hold a copyright that they are not using...and thus prevent someone else from then putting the game out for sale or whatever. fact is...I want and I like only the old stuff. I could give a hang for the new stuff it is too complicated, not very interesting, poorly made, stupidly themed after dumbass celebrities...I have no real interest in 95 percent of the SHIT they put out for sale.
For the five percent of stuff they put out there that IS good....I'm more than happy to open my wallet and pay for it.
But, why can't I then have a nice little backup of what I just already bought?
For example, I bought both DQ4 and DQ5...and the second that I hear DQ6 has an official release date, I'll be on with Game Stop to reserve my copy for purchase on the very first day it is released.
More recently than DQ5, I purchased The Dark Spire. WHY?? Because the game was actually worth buying...it had that nice good "old-school" feel. Just your basic dungeon-crawler. I'm more than happy to BUY stuff if they will make available to me what I actually WANT.
I want things like the ORIGINAL Metroid...the ORIGINAL Final Fantasy...I mean, you get the idea, here.
i dont understand how to make the acekard 2i to work on the dsi or dslsmf said:Kalisiin said:HOW THE HELL CAN NINTENDO RIGHTLY BITCH ABOUT WHAT I AM DOING...IF THEY REFUSE TO MAKE AVAILABLE TO ME...AT ANY PRICE...THE STUFF I ACTUALLY WANT...AND WOULD HAPPILY PAY FOR IF THEY MADE IT AVAILABLE FOR ME TO BUY?
If a copyright holder wants to withdraw a product then they are legally entitled to do so & to enforce their copyright by preventing you from obtaining a copy by illegal means. There is no law that says that you can copy something if you can't buy it.
There is also no law that stops them from blocking homebrew, because it wasn't something they said it could do when you bought it.
You aren't even forced to update your DSi, they even give you a nice EULA to read and agree to. If you don't agree then it doesn't change anything.
Once again...if they aren't gonna USE the copyright...they should be forced to release it. Why should anyone have a right to make a game just "disappear"? As to the EULA...yeah, sure. but with the most recent update...THEY DID NOT COME OUT AND SAY IT WOULD BREAK YOUR FLASHKART. They were deceptive in how they went about it...thus I did NOT agree (that is to say, I did not give INFORMED CONSENT.) And that is my argument with Nintendo.
And again, I still argue that I'm only using the flashcart to get that which no-one will sell me, not at any price. why should I have to do without, just because some butthole holds a stupid copyright THAT THEY AREN'T EVEN USING? Why should they get to make the classics disappear?
QUOTE([email protected] @ Aug 20 2009, 06:42 AM)
plz help
injected11 said:You're an idiot, and need to stop posting. Nintendo isn't bitching about anything, they are stopping you. YOU are bitching about that. If you only want old school games, then buy a damn Gameboy Color. You're lucky the DS technology has any support for old games at all. It's unreasonable to expect them to rerelease games in a new form just because you started crying about it. You can stop saying "NO PRODUCTION COST" because they'd likely need to update liscences, and come up with ways to distribute it. If someone doesn't offer you what you want, you aren't allowed to just take it. That's like robbing a bank after they've turned down a loan application. And no, Nintendo had nothing to do with the laws saying you can't do these things. Buy a few more DS's. I'm sure that'll show em.
You just bought a report. I don't have to take your harassment, and I won't.ShatteredScreens said:No, it does cost money to distribute old games. I can think of 3 reasons why, but they're probably too complicated for you to understand.
or play on an emulator on a PC or Mac.
And that's any less illegal than using a flashcart?
And try me on the reasons. Or shut your fat mouth. Because it means you don't really have an argument, and are just pulling something out of your ass, just for the sake of disagreeing with me.
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QUOTE(injected11 @ Aug 20 2009, 12:28 PM) If this weren't so sad, it'd be hilarious.
Totally agreeKalisiin said:If this weren't so sad, it'd be hilarious.ShatteredScreens said:No, it does cost money to distribute old games. I can think of 3 reasons why, but they're probably too complicated for you to understand.
or play on an emulator on a PC or Mac.
And that's any less illegal than using a flashcart?
And try me on the reasons. Or shut your fat mouth. Because it means you don't really have an argument, and are just pulling something out of your ass, just for the sake of disagreeing with me.
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YOU are the one harrasing us.injected11 said:If this weren't so sad, it'd be hilarious.
You just bought a report. I don't have to take your harassment, and I won't.
I never said anything about legality, otherwise I'd be a hypocrit. I've pirated, hacked etc etc. I was just saying you can't have a massive fuck at Nintendo for releasing an update, which they have every right to, which stops you using homebrew (emulators) on your DS. There are MANY other says to play all your older games.
And it costs money to get the games working on a different platform, it costs money to host the downloads, and it costs to re-lisense them. There's 3 reasons.
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doyama said:Kalisiin/ReddPaint I admire your moral values (really I don't mean that in any kind of facetious way). However, you are in the vast vast vast minority of purchasers of flashcarts. I would be pretty confident in saying that people like yourself using flashcarts are less than 5%, maybe even as low as 1%. You've found a way to use your flashcarts in a legal manner. That's great. But from Nintendo's and their publishers and developers perspective, these are foremost piracy tools. If you want to get angry, get angry at the pirates. Pirates are the ones 'ruining' your experience.
I'm somewhat confused about your points that you can't "play your old games" though. Heck Nintendo's handhelds have been a MODEL for backwards compatibility. The GBA allowed you to play old Gameboy games. And the NDS at allows you to play GBA games. The NDSi broke that but Nintendo has been pretty good at providing customers access to their previous generation's library of games on the current handheld.
If you dislike copyright laws, then petition your congressman to change them. Current copyright laws make works copyrights expire in 50-75 years. This is not Nintendo's fault. This is the way the law works. Certainly Nintendo benefits from these laws and certainly would fight any law making these terms smaller. But that's the lay of the land. If you don't like the law it doesn't mean you can break it to suit your needs.
Why the EULA should address the potential issue you might encounter with a product that is not licensed or endorsed by Nintendo is not clear. They list the features that legitimate and legal customers will be concerned with. Pirates have not extended much courtesy to Nintendo, why should they extend any courtesy back.
As I have said many times, if you want legitimate homebrew to be popular, get Nintendo to provide an XNA type of development environment, and made available for sale or for free via the DSi store. Don't fight the losing battle of trying to justify flashcarts as a legitimate alternative, when we all know it is not.