Hacking Four new people paid off by Nintendo in the HackerOne program
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Judge: I declare Nintendo,
NOT GUILTY
yai i ded at gais i em deh bst feenex raght evrrrr
NOT GUILTY
yai i ded at gais i em deh bst feenex raght evrrrr
It's not the Whitehats that are the issue. Several of the last group were exposed to have been turning in other people's work for the reward.
Which basically sprinkles a lot of doubt over this current ground of people
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Here's my take on this. It sucks because it helps prevent homebrew. But I think Nintendo is well within their right to do this. Homebrew is nice, but I don't buy hardware for the homebrew. Homebrew is just a nice bonus if it happens on a system. If you are buying a console only for the hope of homebrew or piracy, you shouldn't be buying the system.
So are ps4 and Xbox one. Yet people insist at buying them. It's if people for some reason like to buy entertainment?
I just want to address a few of the points made in this thread, wall of text time:
TL: DR
TL: DR to TL: DR
1. "Wall of Shame"
- If people want to sell the exploits they find with their hard work to Nintendo to get paid for it, good for them, there's nothing in the world wrong with that.
- If they want to release it to the public instead, good for them, maybe they can claim bounties or get donations for their work, there's nothing in the world wrong with that either.
2. "Piracy makes developers not want to develop for a console."
- As a developer, you'd need to make money and piracy does take a dip out of that, there is no denying this, it's ridiculous trying to deny this.
- PSP, 3DS, PC, any Android device, IOS, are good examples of devices or operating systems in which piracy is extremely easily accessible, but there seems to be higher than average indy developers creating or having created games for this since piracy was available. The easiest devices to pirate on would be PC and Android, literally as easy as googling what you're looking for, downloading, and installing, but they have more indy games, and games in general, than any other device in history, and, on Android and PC, these games bring more money to their developers than any other device in history. There's no denying that piracy won't push away most developers, it's ridiculous trying to deny this.
3. "Homebrew is just a path to piracy."
- Yeah, homebrew is a path to piracy. Once you can run unsigned code that takes full advantage of the hardware, this directly results in developers making ways to pirate games, and there always will be people who either can't afford games so result to piracy, which takes no money from developers, and people who simply choose to pirate games whether they can afford them or not, which takes a potentially significant amount of money from developers.
- Homebrew would easily open more doors for consoles to gain popularity. Many would love an X1 tablet, at $300, that I can use as a full multimedia device playing YouTube, Netflix, and more, which the Nintendo Switch is fully capable of being. There's nothing wrong with wanting more out of a device that is capable of more, and homebrew undeniably leads to more console sales. Case: 3DS banwaves definitely lead to many many 3DS sales.
4. "Playing ROMs on emulators is piracy."
- Lots of people run emulators and just download games they don't own from the internet and play them, this is a perfect and direct example of emulation piracy. Denying this would be ridiculous, and homebrew would enable tons of people to do this. Nintendo also states that they consider this piracy even if you own the game, even if you dump it yourself.
- Nintendo does not make the law. I do not know the law in every country, but in the United States, you can legally run emulators. You can legally download backups of software you already own, even if it's modified to bypass DRM. However, you cannot legally distribute backups of any software, and you can face heavy penalties if you modify software to bypass DRM with the intention of distributing it, however if you bypass DRM for personal use, precedent cases indicate there's no problem with that. This allows you to download copies of ROMs that you already own, but puts fault on sites that I don't think I can name that distribute them.
5. "It's my console, I should be able to do what I want with it."
- When you agree to TOS that Nintendo supplies, they reserve the right to remove your ability to access services that they provide if you break the TOS. This does not make breaking the TOS illegal, but in bird culture, they call breaking TOS "a dick move." Nintendo also has every right to implement DRM, and/or try to prevent modification of the devices they create as long as it doesn't inhibit the device from functioning as expected. This protects the end user and prevents many a brick. Nintendo also gets to define "as expected." Also they can void the software side of your warranty, but not hardware for running unsigned code.
- Legally in the US, yes you do own your console, and it is actually illegal in some cases to try to block you from making changes to your devices, however the illegality only applies to devices that communicate using a certain frequency (most phones) and has never, to my knowledge, been enforced. However, there are laws that protect you in the event that you modify your device to, say, run CFW, or a different operating system. This does prevent a device from reaching it's full potential.
6. Let me know if I missed anything, I'll edit as needed.
- If people want to sell the exploits they find with their hard work to Nintendo to get paid for it, good for them, there's nothing in the world wrong with that.
- If they want to release it to the public instead, good for them, maybe they can claim bounties or get donations for their work, there's nothing in the world wrong with that either.
2. "Piracy makes developers not want to develop for a console."
- As a developer, you'd need to make money and piracy does take a dip out of that, there is no denying this, it's ridiculous trying to deny this.
- PSP, 3DS, PC, any Android device, IOS, are good examples of devices or operating systems in which piracy is extremely easily accessible, but there seems to be higher than average indy developers creating or having created games for this since piracy was available. The easiest devices to pirate on would be PC and Android, literally as easy as googling what you're looking for, downloading, and installing, but they have more indy games, and games in general, than any other device in history, and, on Android and PC, these games bring more money to their developers than any other device in history. There's no denying that piracy won't push away most developers, it's ridiculous trying to deny this.
3. "Homebrew is just a path to piracy."
- Yeah, homebrew is a path to piracy. Once you can run unsigned code that takes full advantage of the hardware, this directly results in developers making ways to pirate games, and there always will be people who either can't afford games so result to piracy, which takes no money from developers, and people who simply choose to pirate games whether they can afford them or not, which takes a potentially significant amount of money from developers.
- Homebrew would easily open more doors for consoles to gain popularity. Many would love an X1 tablet, at $300, that I can use as a full multimedia device playing YouTube, Netflix, and more, which the Nintendo Switch is fully capable of being. There's nothing wrong with wanting more out of a device that is capable of more, and homebrew undeniably leads to more console sales. Case: 3DS banwaves definitely lead to many many 3DS sales.
4. "Playing ROMs on emulators is piracy."
- Lots of people run emulators and just download games they don't own from the internet and play them, this is a perfect and direct example of emulation piracy. Denying this would be ridiculous, and homebrew would enable tons of people to do this. Nintendo also states that they consider this piracy even if you own the game, even if you dump it yourself.
- Nintendo does not make the law. I do not know the law in every country, but in the United States, you can legally run emulators. You can legally download backups of software you already own, even if it's modified to bypass DRM. However, you cannot legally distribute backups of any software, and you can face heavy penalties if you modify software to bypass DRM with the intention of distributing it, however if you bypass DRM for personal use, precedent cases indicate there's no problem with that. This allows you to download copies of ROMs that you already own, but puts fault on sites that I don't think I can name that distribute them.
5. "It's my console, I should be able to do what I want with it."
- When you agree to TOS that Nintendo supplies, they reserve the right to remove your ability to access services that they provide if you break the TOS. This does not make breaking the TOS illegal, but in bird culture, they call breaking TOS "a dick move." Nintendo also has every right to implement DRM, and/or try to prevent modification of the devices they create as long as it doesn't inhibit the device from functioning as expected. This protects the end user and prevents many a brick. Nintendo also gets to define "as expected." Also they can void the software side of your warranty, but not hardware for running unsigned code.
- Legally in the US, yes you do own your console, and it is actually illegal in some cases to try to block you from making changes to your devices, however the illegality only applies to devices that communicate using a certain frequency (most phones) and has never, to my knowledge, been enforced. However, there are laws that protect you in the event that you modify your device to, say, run CFW, or a different operating system. This does prevent a device from reaching it's full potential.
6. Let me know if I missed anything, I'll edit as needed.
TL: DR
Nintendo has every right and good/bad reasons to do what they're doing.
We have every right and good/bad reasons to want homebrew.
Stop calling it a "Wall of shame."
Piracy doesn't push developers away.
Homebrew leads to piracy, but having an X1 tablet device be so limited is a waste of hardware capibilities.
Playing ROMs on Emulators in the US is not legally piracy if you previously bought the game, whether or not it's on virtual console or if you dumped the game yourself or downloaded it.
Yes it is your console, but it's not your online/software warranty related services.
We have every right and good/bad reasons to want homebrew.
Stop calling it a "Wall of shame."
Piracy doesn't push developers away.
Homebrew leads to piracy, but having an X1 tablet device be so limited is a waste of hardware capibilities.
Playing ROMs on Emulators in the US is not legally piracy if you previously bought the game, whether or not it's on virtual console or if you dumped the game yourself or downloaded it.
Yes it is your console, but it's not your online/software warranty related services.
TL: DR to TL: DR
Stop arguing about who's in the right/who's in the wrong for wanting this. It's a morally grey area and the arguments being presented are very "I'm only going to tell you partial details so it fits my narrative."
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It's almost as if people care about the experience the console gives instead of just raw preformance numbers. You don't need extreme power to have fun games. You don't need hyper-realistic graphics to have a fun game. It makes nice eye candy, but isn't crucial in most cases. Undertale is one of my favorite games and it has old-school type graphics. I wish people would understand that.
If I had the knowledge and patience to hack a console, and get paid for my work? I'd be selling to Nintendo.
The majority of people here complaining about "homebrew" just want piracy (which I'm not against BTW). As said earlier by another poster, if you want a movie player get a cheap tablet. If you want a portable emulator, buy a cheap tablet. Don't buy a £300 device and bitch like a self entitled 5yr old.
The majority of people here complaining about "homebrew" just want piracy (which I'm not against BTW). As said earlier by another poster, if you want a movie player get a cheap tablet. If you want a portable emulator, buy a cheap tablet. Don't buy a £300 device and bitch like a self entitled 5yr old.
And? Nintendo can't help other corperations are idiots with profits can they?
Couldn't agree with you more.
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Well I mean, if people are stealing other peoples work, that is kinda messed up. But if a hacker has found their own exploit and wants to tell nintendo, make it rain for them.
While personality I wouldn't want Nintendo to do this because backups, I totally understand a even support a bit for Nintendo doing this.
While personality I wouldn't want Nintendo to do this because backups, I totally understand a even support a bit for Nintendo doing this.
only want it hacked so i can gen pokemon on pokemon switch and play rom hacks other wise only gen 7 and below pokemon can be hacked and it would require paying for pokebank
very true! jump ultimate stars my all time favorite game. Still play it to this day. Have stopped playing all ps3 games that i had. Cuz the fun went away.
I'm well surprised that a guy with Richard Stallman on his avatar post this.
(BTW at the end of this I would say: So? What we learn with this? Fuck company license (except openone
) (NINJA INCOMMING )Who care about the licence also
. It's my f*cking console after all 
not power save switch because the saves are stored on the system so to cheat pokemon switch the system needs to be hacked
They are not technically useless if people reported more stuff. As far as we know, only a few people have the kernel and TrustZone code. These people can easily find a ton more exploits than the people submitting reports since they can look through all the code. People without the code have to go through tons of trial-and-error until they actually find something they can disclose.trustzone code and kernal are useless now!
Maybe, maybe not. It's not an idealistic crusade of good against evil, it's just groups of people with goals and priorities that change over time.
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