Major Ransomware attack worldwide at the moment.

grossaffe · May 14, 2017

TheDarkGreninja said:
Those arguments wouldnt make me consider it evil, just really poorly implemented.

Perhaps not an intentional evil (but not ruling it out), it's a huge security risk, and the fact that it is maintained by Red Hat employees adds a bit more probability of it having a malicious nature at some point, as Red Hat's biggest contract is with the US Department Of Defense. And the government's tried to get a backdoor into Linux in the past. The fact that it's becoming harder and harder to find distros that do not force systemd on you makes it all the worse.

So I'm not ready to use the term 'evil' just yet, but again, moving to a distro that uses systemd is not the best choice for someone worried about their security.

TheDarkGreninja · May 14, 2017

hobbledehoy899 said:
No, not one that's related to computers.

Huh, i wonder then....

Deleted member 408979 · May 14, 2017

Gizametalman said:
Really? They're blaming us?
How come?
Because we are Bad Hombres.

But my opinion to all this is:
Isn't just weird that some super secret tools developed by an International Security Organization got leaked, and it affected all those countries who's have problems with?

It reminds me to the dude on the bike, sticking a branch in his own wheel and saying: "Fucking_____" (add any race here) while lying on the ground.

They haven't blamed us yet.

I considered the possibilty given the amount of shit US has thrown at us that maybe that was like a revenge.
But nah, the government is too busy lying about the students they murdered.

FateForWindows · May 14, 2017

When you find Windows Update annoying and get hit with this :wtf:

Deleted member 408979 · May 14, 2017

sarkwalvein said:
I am not quite sure why you say that.
They seem to manage just fine about developing nuclear weapons and ICBMs, and I think that might be a tad more complex.

good point :/

hobbledehoy899 · May 14, 2017

FateForWindows said:
When you find Windows Update annoying and get hit with this

Relevant username.

FateForWindows · May 14, 2017

hobbledehoy899 said:
Relevant username.

Didn't even realize my username checks out.

Deleted User · May 14, 2017

NintendU_the_great said:
That was loooong ago. nVidia has EGLSTream drivers for wayland, Intel has open source drivers, and AMD JUST migrated to open source. no more display issues

Well, I still have issues. Must be because they don't bother making drivers for old hardware.

wolfmankurd · May 14, 2017

grossaffe said:
Perhaps not an intentional evil (but not ruling it out), it's a huge security risk, and the fact that it is maintained by Red Hat employees adds a bit more probability of it having a malicious nature at some point, as Red Hat's biggest contract is with the US Department Of Defense. And the government's tried to get a backdoor into Linux in the past. The fact that it's becoming harder and harder to find distros that do not force systemd on you makes it all the worse.

So I'm not ready to use the term 'evil' just yet, but again, moving to a distro that uses systemd is not the best choice for someone worried about their security.

People are just being luddites. Plenty of people hate systemd, a lot of them are smart enough to find solid problems if they existed especially given that it is open source.

But they don't, they just complain from the sideline making hand wavy statements. Security when using an opensource software is a perfect knowledge game.

grossaffe · May 14, 2017

wolfmankurd said:
People are just being luddites. Plenty of people hate systemd, a lot of them are smart enough to find solid problems if they existed especially given that it is open source.

But they don't, they just complain from the sideline making hand wavy statements. Security when using an opensource software is a perfect knowledge game.

Except people do find problems with systemd. There are countless sources for potential security problems due to its size and scope. And being against it is not ludditic. systemd breaks one of the primary tennents of the Unix Philosophy: Do one thing and do it well; it lends to a more modular system. Instead, systemd tries to force its way into every service and remove the modularity of a system and thrust its own services on you everywhere you turn the corner. Why does an init system need to be involved in DNS?

And there are bugs that the maintainers refuse to fix and just close the issue. One of the maintainers was banned from contributing to the Linux Kernel by Linus Torvalds because of his shoddy work. They were also responsible for the buggy Pulseaudio before other people came along and cleaned up that mess.

Joom · May 14, 2017

@grossaffe, that's exactly why I called it insidious. It's like kudzu; slowly and parasitically devouring the Linux ecosystem.

wolfmankurd · May 14, 2017

grossaffe said:
Except people do find problems with systemd. There are countless sources for potential security problems due to its size and scope. And being against it is not ludditic. systemd breaks one of the primary tennents of the Unix Philosophy: Do one thing and do it well; it lends to a more modular system. Instead, systemd tries to force its way into every service and remove the modularity of a system and thrust its own services on you everywhere you turn the corner. Why does an init system need to be involved in DNS?

And there are bugs that the maintainers refuse to fix and just close the issue. One of the maintainers was banned from contributing to the Linux Kernel by Linus Torvalds because of his shoddy work. They were also responsible for the buggy Pulseaudio before other people came along and cleaned up that mess.

Monolithic kernel design breaks the Unix philosophy. Why aren't you against that?

Again no specific issues. Just waffle.

systemd does what it does well, it spread through the Linux community because while it's not the more performant, or the most reliable (binary logs) or the most secure. What it looses in each category is made up for, and more, in the grand picture.

People reasonably did not jump on the systemd hypetrain back in 2013/14 when it was spreading or indeed had spread like wild-fire. Because it was new and really did not cater to the various niches that we have in the ecosystem.

But now we have the situation where people maintain those hang ups today. Without any real grounding.

You can't tell maintainers what to do with their distro but you are more than welcome to start a distro or fork one.

Then try and make a distro palatable to the world at large, robust, reliable and work on many different setupts. Good luck with your init scripts.

I think soon you will find systemd is not a bad pill to swallow to completely remove the init script shitshow GNU/Linux distros were becoming in the 2000s.

GerbilSoft · May 14, 2017

wolfmankurd said:
Monolithic kernel design breaks the Unix philosophy. Why aren't you against that?

You are aware that Linux, and most Unix variants, have monolithic kernels, right?

Very few OSes have microkernels, i.e. kernels where basically every service is a different process. Interestingly, the most widely-known microkernel on this site is probably the Nintendo 3DS operating system.

Windows NT has a hybrid kernel. Its various userspace subsystems run in separate processes, but system components all run in the kernel's address space.

Mac OS X also has a hybrid kernel, XNU, which was originally developed by NeXT for NeXTSTEP.

wolfmankurd · May 14, 2017

GerbilSoft said:
You are aware that Linux, and most Unix variants, have monolithic kernels, right?

Very few OSes have microkernels, i.e. kernels where basically every service is a different process. Interestingly, the most widely-known microkernel on this site is probably the Nintendo 3DS operating system.

Windows NT has a hybrid kernel. Its various userspace subsystems run in separate processes, but system components all run in the kernel's address space.

Mac OS X also has a hybrid kernel, XNU, which was originally developed by NeXT for NeXTSTEP.

Yes, that's why I brought it up.

Still waiting on Hurd to be usable

sarkwalvein · May 14, 2017

I lost hope a long time ago on GNU Turd.

FAST6191 · May 14, 2017

Hurd or reactos? Which will be first?

On compatibility then how much is done via the browser these days? Right now I have it all save for my media player and it is not like there aren't a hundred of those which all work just fine. Gaming is a big one that does not but at the same time how many of you prepare for a gaming session?

On the command line no longer being useful... what? Equally "learning it" need not mean decode all those fun obfuscated commands we see online in your head but learn a core set of commands, line what a wildcard is and learn what redirection/piping is. Combine that with a bit of grep, sed and awk and go from there.
Or if you prefer how would you add something to the name of every file with a certain string in the name? If your answer is download a fancy renaming program then you clearly don't get it.

SG854 · May 15, 2017

People of 2017! I came from the year 2017 to inform the people of 2017 about the dangers of 1992.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/comp.os.minix/wlhw16QWltI[1-25]

1992 the year Cro-Magnon nerds were arguing about Linux and caused the horrifying Linux is obsolete flame war. There was fire, there was flames, and there was lots of boring text.

Please nerds of this site do not make the same mistakes of the past.
Oh wait, damn, I'm too late. Nerds of GBATEMP, I have failed to deliver this message in time.
Now I'm returning back to my time of 2017 that I'm already in. UP, UP and Away!!!!

death360 · May 15, 2017

SG854 said:
People of 2017! I came from the year 2017 to inform the people of 2017 about the dangers of 1992.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/comp.os.minix/wlhw16QWltI[1-25]

1992 the year Cro-Magnon nerds were arguing about Linux and caused the horrifying Linux is obsolete flame war. The was fire, there was flames, and there was lots of boring text.

Please nerds of this site do not make the same mistakes of the past.
Oh wait, damn, I'm too late. Nerds of GBATEMP, I have failed to deliver this message in time.
Now I'm reterning back to my time of 2017 that I'm already in. UP, UP and Away!!!!

That you John titor the smoke seller.

sarkwalvein · May 15, 2017

SG854 said:
People of 2017! I came from the year 2017 to inform the people of 2017 about the dangers of 1992.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/comp.os.minix/wlhw16QWltI[1-25]

1992 the year Cro-Magnon nerds were arguing about Linux and caused the horrifying Linux is obsolete flame war. The was fire, there was flames, and there was lots of boring text.

Please nerds of this site do not make the same mistakes of the past.
Oh wait, damn, I'm too late. Nerds of GBATEMP, I have failed to deliver this message in time.
Now I'm reterning back to my time of 2017 that I'm already in. UP, UP and Away!!!!

What with that John Titor style intro?

Anyway, good classing Linus Torvalds flame war archive.
Even in 1992 you can't win against the self-defined git.

SG854 · May 15, 2017

sarkwalvein said:
What with that John Titor style intro?

Anyway, good classing Linus Torvalds flame war archive.
Even in 1992 you can't win against the self-defined git.

I actually wasn't thinking of John Titor with that intro lol.

This would be a John Titor intro
People of 2017! I come from the year 2017 to warn of the dangers of 2017. Several of GBATEMP members have malfunctioned in the year 2017.
We from the current twenty-seventeen need to acquire IBM 5100 to debug several of GBATEMP members on this site.
A certain number GBATEMPERS needs errors to be corrected and mental fixing before its too late.

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