Hardware Switch - console breakdown

DinohScene · Feb 21, 2017

Veho said:
Well there's the power, that can allow the Switch to run at a higher CPU frequency, allowing for better graphics than in portable mode? Just a thought.

If the switch ever gets hacked then someone would probably write some software to pull more power from the battery,making the dock pretty useless.
Granted it depletes the battery within minutes but hey, point proven.

I at least expected some hardware that boosted the entire unit.
It's essentially a hopped up overclocked Wii U controller without the Wii U then.

Veho · Feb 21, 2017

DinohScene said:
It's essentially a hopped up overclocked Wii U controller without the Wii U then.

Sooo... a handheld console?

Duo8 · Feb 21, 2017

DinohScene said:
If the switch ever gets hacked then someone would probably write some software to pull more power from the battery,making the dock pretty useless.
Granted it depletes the battery within minutes but hey, point proven.

I at least expected some hardware that boosted the entire unit.
It's essentially a hopped up overclocked Wii U controller without the Wii U then.

The battery may not be able to handle the current draw, and shut down (at best) or exploding (at worst).

DinohScene · Feb 21, 2017

Veho said:
Sooo... a handheld console?

Pretty much yeh.
I really don't know what to think of Nintendo anymore...

Duo8 said:
The battery may not be able to handle the current draw, and shut down (at best) or exploding (at worst).

Depends on the powerdraw is docked and undocked.
Shutting down? yes, probably
Exploding? don't be ridiculous.
Batteries don't explode that easily.

Duo8 · Feb 21, 2017

DinohScene said:
Pretty much yeh.
I really don't know what to think of Nintendo anymore...

Depends on the powerdraw is docked and undocked.
Shutting down? yes, probably
Exploding? don't be ridiculous.
Batteries don't explode that easily.

You should see some unprotected 18650s trying to push 10A.
At the very least it will burn.

DBlaze · Feb 21, 2017

DinohScene said:
Depends on the powerdraw is docked and undocked.
Shutting down? yes, probably
Exploding? don't be ridiculous.
Batteries don't explode that easily.

Try telling that to Samsung

...I'm sorry, I had to

Duo8 · Feb 21, 2017

DBlaze said:
Try telling that to Samsung

...I'm sorry, I had to

That wasn't due to overdraw. But yeah they can combust.

DinohScene · Feb 21, 2017

Duo8 said:
You should see some unprotected 18650s trying to push 10A.
At the very least it will burn.

Throwing ridiculous amounts of amperage onto batteries is indeed a recipe for disaster but going back to the subject of the Switch.
It'll never ever pull 10A of power.

DBlaze said:
Try telling that to Samsung

...I'm sorry, I had to

Try telling the same to Apple.
Try telling the same to a multitude of companies.

Anything containing a battery could short circuit one day and cause battery failure.
Be it shitty production, age or bad cells.

DBlaze · Feb 21, 2017

Duo8 said:
That wasn't due to overdraw. But yeah they can combust.

DinohScene said:
Throwing ridiculous amounts of amperage onto batteries is indeed a recipe for disaster but going back to the subject of the Switch.
It'll never ever pull 10A of power.

Try telling the same to Apple.
Try telling the same to a multitude of companies.

Anything containing a battery could short circuit one day and cause battery failure.
Be it shitty production, age or bad cells.

If it wasn't obvious: it was a joke.

Either way, I hope the progress of different battery types speeds up anytime soon, there's a quite a lot to read about "batteries that can last very long", but so far none are being actually made. Probably due to cost I guess.

also your signature, the green dot in the guy's nose can't be unseen, was that on purpose?

DinohScene · Feb 21, 2017

DBlaze said:
If it wasn't obvious: it was a joke.

Either way, I hope the progress of different battery types speeds up anytime soon, there's a quite a lot to read about "batteries that can last very long", but so far none are being actually made. Probably due to cost I guess.

also your signature, the green dot in the guy's nose can't be unseen, was that on purpose?

I also believe it's planned obsolescence.
Noticed how more and more electronics come in a completely closed housing?
Non removable batteries etc?

Producing shitty batteries for devices so that consumers are more likely to purchase new devices, brings in more profits then actually putting the effort into placing removable batteries in their gadgets.

Whatever it might be, battery technology hasn't changed much since the 80's.

Hm, never noticed it, prolly a small blotch that hasn't been filtered out.
Edit: no more snot particle as of now ;p

thorasgar · Feb 21, 2017

DBlaze said:
If it wasn't obvious: it was a joke.

Either way, I hope the progress of different battery types speeds up anytime soon, there's a quite a lot to read about "batteries that can last very long", but so far none are being actually made. Probably due to cost I guess.

also your signature, the green dot in the guy's nose can't be unseen, was that on purpose?

There is a LOT of money to be made in improved battery tech. Making it affordable is the trick.

Veho · Feb 21, 2017

thorasgar said:
There is a LOT of money to be made in improved battery tech. Making it affordable is the trick.

Nah, it's not really a problem. You can literally make it out of hemp.

foob · Feb 21, 2017

DinohScene said:
I also believe it's planned obsolescence.
Noticed how more and more electronics come in a completely closed housing?
Non removable batteries etc?

Producing shitty batteries for devices so that consumers are more likely to purchase new devices, brings in more profits then actually putting the effort into placing removable batteries in their gadgets.

Bingo. Also reduces third-party battery competition quite a bit by taking the power of battery replacement out of the Average Joe's hands, resulting in far less retailers stocking the things & therefore far less price competition and therefore higher prices. 99.99% of people don't take a screwdriver to their expensive electronics. Making a battery non-removable (ie. not easily removable) makes retail battery-finding harder & makes fixing problems harder & keeps battery replacement costs higher than they otherwise would be, essentially for the benefit of those who design hardware like this. They can charge a labour fee as well as a high-priced battery replacement fee instead of giving the customer some power to do it themselves.

DinohScene said:
Whatever it might be, battery technology hasn't changed much since the 80's.

Just the move from Ni-CD to Ni-MH to various forms of Lithium batteries has increased energy density quite a bit. Each chemistry has their own pluses and minuses though. The situation is that modern devices tend to make use of the increased battery capacity: larger screens, more convergence & more CPU-intensive stuff basically results in similar battery life (or less battery life) compared to the less capable hardware of the past.

DinohScene · Feb 21, 2017

foob said:
Bingo. Also reduces third-party battery competition quite a bit by taking the power of battery replacement out of the Average Joe's hands, resulting in far less retailers stocking the things & therefore far less price competition and therefore higher prices. 99.99% of people don't take a screwdriver to their expensive electronics. Making a battery non-removable (ie. not easily removable) makes retail battery-finding harder & makes fixing problems harder & keeps battery replacement costs higher than they otherwise would be, essentially for the benefit of those who do it. They can charge a labour fee as well as a high-priced battery replacement fee instead of giving the customer some power to do it themselves.

Just the move from Ni-CD to Ni-MH to various forms of Lithium batteries has increased energy density quite a bit. Each chemistry has their own pluses and minuses though. The situation is that modern devices tend to make use of the increased battery capacity: more convergence & more CPU-intensive stuff basically results in similar battery life (or less battery life) compared to the less capable hardware of the past.

I'm pretty sure that battery technology that can keep a modern day device powered for a week and doesn't degrade much after 3 or 4 years is something feasible with todays tech.
However, the companies that produce batteries will see their profits decline rapidly as such thing will ever come out.
They prolly do whatever it takes to hold back the battery tech development as much as they can, unlike hardware which has skyrocketed compared from the late 90's/early 00's.

foob · Feb 21, 2017

DinohScene said:
I'm pretty sure that battery technology that can keep a modern day device powered for a week and doesn't degrade much after 3 or 4 years is something feasible with todays tech.
However, the companies that produce batteries will see their profits decline rapidly as such thing will ever come out.
They prolly do whatever it takes to hold back the battery tech development as much as they can, unlike hardware which has skyrocketed compared from the late 90's/early 00's.

Definitely a lot of truth to this. Same with hard drives (making them last) & lights too (making them last) & printers (making them last) and endless other things which can technically be done but aren't.

DinohScene · Feb 21, 2017

foob said:
Definitely a lot of truth to this. Same with hard drives (making them last) & lights too (making them last) & printers (making them last) and endless other things which can technically be done but aren't.

Equipment from the 80's and 90's still work today.
Hell even things from the early 00's still work.

This planned obsolescence isn't doing anything good in terms of recycling and saving the planet (for you hippies out there)

Tho harddrives, I tend to disagree.
Me lappy harddrive if from '10 or early '11.
It's been on for almost 47000 hours and it hasn't returned a single error.
No bad sectors no nothing.
And that thing has seen TB's upon TB's of data coming through it.

foob · Feb 21, 2017

DinohScene said:
Equipment from the 80's and 90's still work today.
Hell even things from the early 00's still work.

This planned obsolescence isn't doing anything good in terms of recycling and saving the planet (for you hippies out there)

Tho harddrives, I tend to disagree.
Me lappy harddrive if from '10 or early '11.
It's been on for almost 47000 hours and it hasn't returned a single error.
No bad sectors no nothing.
And that thing has seen TB's upon TB's of data coming through it.

You always get hard drives that live a long life, but the replacement market is too huge to ignore, so you can bet that will be kept at a certain rate of failure (and it is).

We are at peak levels of e-waste now, despite every company bragging about how 'green' they are. I have never seen so much e-waste in all my lifetime than now. Lower prices don't help the situation. Forced updates don't help either (they inevitably help slow devices down). Can go on and on.

DinohScene · Feb 21, 2017

foob said:
You always get hard drives that live a long life, but the replacement market is too huge to ignore, so you can bet that will be kept at a certain rate of failure (and it is).

We are at peak levels of e-waste now, despite every company bragging about how 'green' they are. I have never seen so much e-waste in all my lifetime than now. Lower prices don't help the situation. Forced updates don't help either (they inevitably help slow devices down). Can go on and on.

MTBF of HDD's are what? 1 million hours?
That's tested over thousands of HDD's with nothing but R/W operations.

Aye indeed.
Instead of properly recycling, they just dump everything in Ghana ;/

foob · Feb 21, 2017

DinohScene said:
MTBF of HDD's are what? 1 million hours?
That's tested over thousands of HDD's with nothing but R/W operations.

MTBF is pretty meaningless. Even Seagate has something to say about it here:
http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/174791en?language=en_US

Hard drive designs today can be made far more relaible than what we have, resulting in far less failure rates than today. But that money needs to keep flowing. You can bet what we are using today is engineered by the accountants with a certain failure rate guaranteed.

DinohScene · Feb 21, 2017

foob said:
MTBF is pretty meaningless. Even Seagate has something to say about it here:
http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/174791en?language=en_US

Hard drive designs today can be made far more relaible than what we have, resulting in far less failure rates than today. But that money needs to keep flowing. You can bet what we are using today is engineered by the accountants with a certain failure rate guaranteed.

Interesting.
TIL.

Anyway, let's no longer derail this with product reliability and what not.

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