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el_gonz87 · Jan 23, 2017

RevPokemon said:
WUT?

Lol It's a quote from the Big Lebowski

the_randomizer · Jan 23, 2017

Chelsea_Fantasy said:
Trump for Führer

Wish people would stop acting as though either choice would've been perfect. If people said that about Clinton (if she was elected), there'd be a shitstorm. Double standards. :rolleyes:

el_gonz87 · Jan 23, 2017

Aurora Wright said:
Fixed. It's not like immigrants are genetically more prone to murder.

The issue is that person was in the country illegally. That would have been prevented if there was no illegal immigration.

Again I didn't say they were more prone. Just that 1 case is 1 too many.

BTW did u have a good weekend? I was a couch potato lol

Logan Pockrus · Jan 23, 2017

Clydefrosch said:
irregardless, even a non sudden loss of coverage will kill every post transition trans person that doesn't magically come up with permanent hundreds of dollars to pay for hormone pills out of their pockets.

and once more, he's not just been promising to repeal this and that, he's also promised alternatives and he's been saying he had them like 18 months ago already. additionally, he's also promised several things that would directly contradict one another.

to make it a little more visual, he's breaking up the goddamn foundation first, without putting in anything to keep everything above it from crashing.

give it a month or two for the crashing to start. for import goods to suddenly become kinda expensive and for companies to not be able to sell their export goods as well as they used to. give paychecks and employment rates a moment to reflect what he's doing just there.

Well of course he's promised alternatives, but I'm not sure if he really has any yet (I.E., I'm sure he's working on it, but may not have a solution completed). Anyway, we'll just have to wait and see.

Clydefrosch · Jan 23, 2017

the_randomizer said:
Wish people would stop acting as though either choice would've been perfect. If people said that about Clinton (if she was elected), there'd be a shitstorm. Double standards.

acting as if there was literally no qualitative difference between the two choices and then implying something that can never be proven while sounding kinda unlikely, as absolute truth. nice.
and if you hadn't noticed, there is a shitstorm everytime anyone says anything about trump. thing is, its always calm at the center of a storm.

and if I'm forced to decide between two drivers bringing me to the hospital and both of them are drunk and shortsighted, personally, I'd still take the one with a drivers license.
maybe you're lucky and your driver hits an ambulance by chance though.

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Logan Pockrus said:
Well of course he's promised alternatives, but I'm not sure if he really has any yet (I.E., I'm sure he's working on it, but may not have a solution completed). Anyway, we'll just have to wait and see.

thats what I was saying. he promised solutions, but so far, he hasn't gotten further on anything than 'undo what the others did'.
everything else, according to him, is a secret but awesome and you won't believe it, or you'll hear about it on thursday, or friday.

Logan Pockrus · Jan 23, 2017

Clydefrosch said:
thats what I was saying. he promised solutions, but so far, he hasn't gotten further on anything than 'undo what the others did'.
everything else, according to him, is a secret but awesome and you won't believe it, or you'll hear about it on thursday, or friday

He isn't the only one saying they'll have a solution, though (for example, Paul Ryan, the Speaker of the House, says the same thing). I don't doubt they'll have a solution, given time. The thing we should actually be concerned about is whether or not the solution is a good one, or we'll be back to square one.

Aurora Wright · Jan 23, 2017

el_gonz87 said:
The issue is that person was in the country illegally. That would have been prevented if there was no illegal immigration.

Again I didn't say they were more prone. Just that 1 case is 1 too many.

BTW did u have a good weekend? I was a couch potato lol

I'm not sure I grasp, an immigrant might kill or do some other bad stuff, but they might also do stuff to benefit society (just like a lawful citizen). :/

ThisIsDaAccount · Jan 23, 2017

Just to be optimistic, what policies do you guys hope President Trump implements?

Logan Pockrus · Jan 23, 2017

Aurora Wright said:
I'm not sure I grasp, an immigrant might kill or do some other bad stuff, but they might also do stuff to benefit society (just like a lawful citizen). :/

If they aren't willing to enter the country legally, they don't deserve to be treated as citizens. And some of them do behave, others don't. The problem does not lie within their behavior once in the country however, it is about how they enter in the first place. Just my two cents.

TotalInsanity4 · Jan 24, 2017

the_randomizer said:
Illegal is still illegal, immigrating illegally into the US doesn't make it any more right, it's still breaking the law. Illegal isn't a race, either, people need to drop that BS.

For what it's worth, a significant portion of illegal/undocumented persons in the US are people who overstay visas, either intentionally or not

(This is separate, not related to you) I'm also kind of miffed that the second I disagree with someone in this thread it turns into a shithole with a bunch of arguments. I liked it when most everyone was getting along but I also like actual discussion

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Logan Pockrus said:
If they aren't willing to enter the country legally, they don't deserve to be treated as citizens.

This might be true, but they still deserve to be treated as human beings

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el_gonz87 said:
Hispanic is a race? Wrong it's a fucking ethnicity. However false that statement may be, he's not generalizing on a population as a whole based on race, he's generalizing based on how they enter the country.

Calm down bro, no need to be rude

Yeah I misspoke, I forgot the differences between race and ethnicity. Excuse me.

That really doesn't change the fact that discrimination still occurs based on appearance of Latinos, though

Blood Fetish · Jan 24, 2017

There's a good chance Trump's wife Melania was in the US doing work without a visa before she married him. That's not a problem, though, right? She's one of the "good" ones.

SomecallmeBerto · Jan 24, 2017

Clydefrosch said:
mexico isn't a shithole, but even working below minimum wage in america offers better opportunity to make a live in mexico than staying in mexico.

Have you ever been to Mexico? I have and I have seen it first hand. Bodies laying in landfills, corrupt government the drug cartel yeah I'm sure some areas are nice no doubt but I wouldn't want to live there. In fact after that visit I never want to go back there and I can see why people would want to run from there.

changing governments or even having every drug, addict and lord disappear overnight is not going to change that fact.

I disagree the reason people leave is because the environment is bad. The problem beyond the bad coming over is so are the good. Mexico losses the people who have the potential to open business, create jobs etc, agro make Mexico great again(no pun I swear) however the crime and lack of options forces them to come here legal or not.

crossing borders to get to better jobs and more money is among the most natural thing for literally any people living near any border. people cross statelines for better wages, they go from germany to austria in the morning and back in the evening for better working hours etc etc.

I can agree with this.

as you might have noticed in your own country, just paying people better is not an option. its bad for the economy after all. lowering them, now thats a way to go. as long as that remains a truth, and until american wages fall below mexican wages, there will always be people who'll try their luck crossing a border. even if, other than wages, they'b be living in literal christian heaven, they'd cross over to texas so they can build a slightly bigger house or support one more old family member over in heavenstreet 44

Opportunities are what make a nation prosper.

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@TotalInsanity4 - Yeah people take disagreements like an attack on character which unless shown is just not true.

el_gonz87 · Jan 24, 2017

TotalInsanity4 said:
For what it's worth, a significant portion of illegal/undocumented persons in the US are people who overstay visas, either intentionally or not

(This is separate, not related to you) I'm also kind of miffed that the second I disagree with someone in this thread it turns into a shithole with a bunch of arguments. I liked it when most everyone was getting along but I also like actual discussion

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This might be true, but they still deserve to be treated as human beings

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Calm down bro, no need to be rude

Yeah I misspoke, I forgot the differences between race and ethnicity. Excuse me.

That really doesn't change the fact that discrimination still occurs based on appearance of Latinos, though

Haha my bad bro. Didn't mean for it to sound rude, I just wanted to highlight that it isn't racism. Should have used bold in hindsight. Lol

My apologies meant no disrespect.

the_randomizer · Jan 24, 2017

ThisIsDaAccount said:
Just to be optimistic, what policies do you guys hope President Trump implements?

Removing that damned Obamacare penalty if you can't afford it, and given that I'm underemployed, I can't afford even the most basic of care, so I have to file an exemption.

SomecallmeBerto · Jan 24, 2017

@ThisIsDaAccount

Build the wall
Remove ObamaCare - I don't think you have a "right" to health insurance
Defund PP - Just another form of walfare pay for your own things. Like abortions, condoms, exams etc.

el_gonz87 · Jan 24, 2017

Aurora Wright said:
I'm not sure I grasp, an immigrant might kill or do some other bad stuff, but they might also do stuff to benefit society (just like a lawful citizen). :/

I think you are missing the point. This typically happens with this sensitive subject, a statement gets made and everyone thinks it's generalizing. No.

Let's say 100 people enter illegally, 99 are good people, 1 murders an American citizen.

To me that is unacceptable because 1 innocent American citizen died due to our inability to enforce our border laws.

Until we can prove 100% that illegal immigration will not allow that, we need to 100% prevent it. Enter the country legally, that is all.

TotalInsanity4 · Jan 24, 2017

el_gonz87 said:
Haha my bad bro. Didn't mean for it to sound rude, I just wanted to highlight that it isn't racism. Should have used bold in hindsight. Lol

My apologies meant no disrespect.

Thanks, sorry if I overreacted

Honestly, I have mixed feelings about the current use of the term "racism." If you take it by the textbook definition, what Trump said is discriminatory but not really racist. However, because linguistics change with the times, the term "racist" has kind of shifted to mean "discrimination based on appearance or culture," in which case Trump's campaign announcement speech fits that criteria

RevPokemon · Jan 24, 2017

the_randomizer said:
Removing that damned Obamacare penalty if you can't afford it, and given that I'm underemployed, I can't afford even the most basic of care, so I have to file an exemption.

yup the penalty was probably the dumbest part of the program....

ThisIsDaAccount said:
Just to be optimistic, what policies do you guys hope President Trump implements?

I know he will not do every thing or probably half of the list but

Defund PP
Pull out of the ME
Stop helping the Kurds and FSA
Have a true free market approach to healthcare
Pardon Snowden
Abolish how the NSA data mines
End the policing issues
De-criminalize ALL drugs including hard ones for recreational use

Among the top things I can think of so far...

the_randomizer · Jan 24, 2017

RevPokemon said:
yup the penalty was probably the dumbest part of the program....

I know he will not do every thing or probably half of the list but

Defund PP

Pull out of the ME

Stop helping the Kurds and FSA

Have a true free market approach to healthcare

Pardon Snowden

Abolish how the NSA data mines

End the policing issues

De-criminalize ALL drugs including hard ones for recreational use

Among the top things I can think of so far...

Don't get me wrong, I agree more people should be able to have insurance, and the idea behind socialized medicine is a good idea for those in the lower and middle-class. But penalizing people who don't want to or can't afford it is not the way to do it. Sure, some people use the car insurance analogy that people are required to get insurance with their car. But then again, people aren't required to get a car under US law, and therefore you don't need insurance. Penalties is the only reason I hate Obamacare. Other than that, it's not a big deal to me.

SomecallmeBerto · Jan 24, 2017

the_randomizer said:
Don't get me wrong, I agree more people should be able to have insurance, and the idea behind socialized medicine is a good idea for those in the lower and middle-class. But penalizing people who don't want to or can't afford it is not the way to do it. Sure, some people use the car insurance analogy that people are required to get insurance with their car. But then again, people aren't required to get a car under US law, and therefore you don't need insurance. Penalties is the only reason I hate Obamacare. Other than that, it's not a big deal to me.

I just don't like the fact that people think that the government can fix all their problems. People need to take personal responsibilities for their own actions and lives.

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