Hardware Nintendo Switch Technical Specifications Discussion

Yil · Dec 6, 2016

Futurdreamz said:
Point being? The port is pretty standard, but already runs like 5 or so semi-incompatible protocols.

So how do you propose Nvidia do this? The only known solution beyond typical usb 3.1 is from Intel. Over half of the controller cannot even handle usb-c's full charging speed.

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If the thread weren't dead I would at least ask the op how the dev unit connects to the dock. Don't sound like usb-c though.

grossaffe · Dec 6, 2016

Xzi said:
Last couple generations, I suppose. Gamecube didn't really feel like it had the power of PS2, either, even if it technically did (I think).

Not only did the Gamecube have the power of the PS2, it surpassed the PS2. At a lower price-point.

Yil · Dec 6, 2016

grossaffe said:
Not only did the Gamecube have the power of the PS2, it surpassed the PS2. At a lower price-point.

If it go with the standard dvd, even without the functions. Well, not going backward.

grossaffe · Dec 6, 2016

Yil said:
If it go with the standard dvd, even without the functions. Well, not going backward.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

Futurdreamz · Dec 6, 2016

Yil said:
So how do you propose Nvidia do this? The only known solution beyond typical usb 3.1 is from Intel. Over half of the controller cannot even handle usb-c's full charging speed.

Again SLI, or something based on SLI. Nvidia already has experience with linking multiple GPUs together. It's not like they have to go running to Intel. Nvidia and Nintendo have full control over the chips on both sides of the type-C connector, and can easily develop their own proprietary Alt-mode protocol. That is how Intel's Thunderbolt works, so we know it's feasible. Nvidia isn't some two-bit chip developer that can't figure out a way to make this work. They have full control, and do not have to worry about third-party support.

AtlasFontaine · Dec 6, 2016

Looks like it will be using USB C after all

This was the link of the store before they took it down

TotalInsanity4 · Dec 6, 2016

AtlasFontaine said:
Looks like it will be using USB C after all

This was the link of the store before they took it down

What date was it up? It should be archived in the Wayback Machine

nmkd · Dec 6, 2016

TotalInsanity4 said:
What date was it up? It should be archived in the Wayback Machine

Yesterday I think

//Sent from my glorious OnePlus X

AtlasFontaine · Dec 6, 2016

TotalInsanity4 said:
What date was it up? It should be archived in the Wayback Machine

https://webcache.googleusercontent....do-Switch&gws_rd=cr&ei=Pg5GWMSoMomO8wWMjK_wAQ

Google has it saved

Yil · Dec 6, 2016

The problem is this cable would at most support 3A, 5V. We don't know the exact rating of the switch at this point so a generic cable will not do.

TotalInsanity4 · Dec 6, 2016

Yil said:
The problem is this cable would at most support 3A, 5V. We don't know the exact rating of the switch at this point so a generic cable will not do.

An eGPU would almost certainly have its own power supply capable of powering it

Yil · Dec 6, 2016

TotalInsanity4 said:
An eGPU would almost certainly have its own power supply capable of powering it

No, I was talking about the charging cable. It may very well be insufficient to keep the system running.

TotalInsanity4 · Dec 6, 2016

Yil said:
No, I was talking about the charging cable. It may very well be insufficient to keep the system running.

Oh, I see

Futurdreamz · Dec 6, 2016

Type-c can support up to 100 watts. That's the whole point as to why it can be used to charge laptops. Have any of you even bothered to Google the spec?

Yil · Dec 6, 2016

Futurdreamz said:
Type-c can support up to 100 watts. Have any of you even bothered to Google the spec?

On thunderbolt 3 or usb 3.1 gen 2. This however is not the full fat type-c cable and will only go up to 3A, 5V.

Futurdreamz · Dec 6, 2016

Yil said:
On thunderbolt 3 or usb 3.1 gen 2. This however is not the full fat type-c cable and will only go up to 3A, 5V.

The charging capacity of USB Type-C cables may go up to 5A (100W), but 3A (i.e. up to 60W) cables are commonly available.

Not listed on the Wikipedia page, type-C goes up to 20 volts: 20v x 5a = 100w

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_Type-C#Cable_wiring

Yil · Dec 6, 2016

Futurdreamz said:
Not listed on the Wikipedia page, type-C goes up to 20 volts: 20v x 5a = 100w

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_Type-C#Cable_wiring

But this is not the real type-C, as in USB 3.1 gen 2. Only that and thunderbolt 3 support 20V. And are you suggest usb 3.0 male can handle that kind of power, cause all the high power usb chargers I have seen have psu directly linked to the cable that much resemble a laptop charger.
Do some research, Gen 1 only support 15W (5V * 3A).

Futurdreamz · Dec 6, 2016

Yil said:
But this is not the real type-C, as in USB 3.1 gen 2. Only that and thunderbolt 3 support 20V. And are you suggest usb 3.0 male can handle that kind of power, cause all the high power usb chargers I have seen have psu directly linked to the cable that much resemble a laptop charger.
Do some research, Gen 1 only support 15W (5V * 3A).

What the hell are you talking about? I think we need to backtrack a little.

Why do you think the Switch will not be gen 2? type-c and the 3.1 spec go hand-in hand, and while you can have one without the other the whole point of the two specs is to work together. There may be third party cables that don't fully support the spec, but that's not what we are talking about. We are talking about the connection from the Switch to the Dock, with no cable in between. The dock, which I may remind you, a) charges the Switch b) has USB ports c) has video out. That ALONE requires USB 3.1 and type-C, unless you look into obsolete standards like MHL. The difference between 3.1 gen 1 and gen 2 is literally the bandwith, and that's only because you cannot update the hardware to the newer spec.

As I previously linked to. Thunderbolt is an alt-mode, one of six which the Switch does not necessarily have to support, and do not need to support any in order to access the 100W maximum. It may not even be necessary, as the Wii U only pulls about 30 watts and the Switch may be able to get by with half of that. The only alt-mode which is needed is HDMI, though there may be support for Ethernet alt-mode. But Nintendo and Nvidia are NOT limited to existing standards, just they need to support enough of the standard so that third-party connections do not fail or damage the system. Thus they CAN develop a proprietary alt-mode along the lines of Nvidia's SLI which allows the Switch to communicate with an eGPU in a power dock, while providing full charging power to the Switch. The power dock will handle the connection to the TV, which frees up the port for GPU communication.

AtlasFontaine · Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/LaurakBuzz/status/806198457493024769

This one fits well with the foxconn leak.

Yil · Dec 6, 2016

Futurdreamz said:
What the hell are you talking about? I think we need to backtrack a little.

Why do you think the Switch will not be gen 2? type-c and the 3.1 spec go hand-in hand, and while you can have one without the other the whole point of the two specs is to work together. There may be third party cables that don't fully support the spec, but that's not what we are talking about. We are talking about the connection from the Switch to the Dock, with no cable in between. The dock, which I may remind you, a) charges the Switch b) has USB ports c) has video out. That ALONE requires USB 3.1 and type-C, unless you look into obsolete standards like MHL. The difference between 3.1 gen 1 and gen 2 is literally the bandwith, and that's only because you cannot update the hardware to the newer spec.

As I previously linked to. Thunderbolt is an alt-mode, one of six which the Switch does not necessarily have to support, and do not need to support any in order to access the 100W maximum. It may not even be necessary, as the Wii U only pulls about 30 watts and the Switch may be able to get by with half of that. The only alt-mode which is needed is HDMI, though there may be support for Ethernet alt-mode. But Nintendo and Nvidia are NOT limited to existing standards, just they need to support enough of the standard so that third-party connections do not fail or damage the system. Thus they CAN develop a proprietary alt-mode along the lines of Nvidia's SLI which allows the Switch to communicate with an eGPU in a power dock, while providing full charging power to the Switch. The power dock will handle the connection to the TV, which frees up the port for GPU communication.

I am not talking the unit, I am talking about that charging cable appeared on EBgames a while back. Most likely, that thing won't even provide 15w, especially considering it's ups type-c to type-a. Only type-c-to-type-c or type-c power supply (like newer lines of laptops) will support beyond 15w. This does not limit the capacity to do egpu.
The connector support this protocol but it is possible hitting the limit of type-c. However, the dock carries hdmi, usb 3.0 and two usb 2.0 suggest the standard usb 3.1 gen 2.
Gen 1 have a power limit of 15w, gen 2 have a power limit of 100w. Thunderbolt is also 100w, while usb 2.0 actually provide higher charge than gen 1 but no where close 100w. And egpu is an entirely different configuration from SLI, as the newly connected gpu is treated as the primary and able to avoid alternate frame which makes SLI so terribly glitchy. With the proper api, which Nvidia is shown to be terrible with for the moment, igpu may be used to draw while the bigger GPU handled advanced rendering, but that is not happening with Pascal. And no leak suggest the current dock carrying anything despite the new gen dev unit.

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