Hacking A few words on IOSU, redNAND, and iosuhax.

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Well personally I bought a 512GB SD card and loaded it up with Wii U, Wii and GameCube backups - plus thousands of emulator game backups too - so all that great home-brew that makes it possible would need to be SD based for me, the improvement would be not using a browser exploit (gotta love WebKit) so the games can be run from the HOME menu as proper apps. Pretty sure that wouldn't be possible with Wii/GC stuff though, unless there's new home-brew that works as a forwarder into the Wii mode which I don't think can be done because of the soft reset to change clock speeds etc. But being able to run my legal copies of games like Mario Kart 8 as SD backups with all previous save data retained would be a huge plus, and worth waiting for.

I refuse to be one of these naysayers that says full IOSU hack package from team SALT won't ever get here. They want to release the mother of all Wii U hacks, leave them to it, it's done when it's done.
 

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I have to say, a post like this has been a looooooong time coming. Clear answers and clear recommendations from someone high up and in the know seem to be few and far between at times.
 
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I have to say, a post like this has been a looooooong time coming. Clear answers and clear recommendations from someone high up and in the know seem to be few and far between at times.
It's usually just a case of asking the right person. Usually questions don't seem to be asked; and when they are they're almost never directed at the right person.
 
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It's usually just a case of asking the right person. Usually questions don't seem to be asked; and when they are they're almost never directed at the right person.

I suspect if you're asking the question, you don't know to whom you should direct the question to.

p.s.
Thank you for all the work you've done, its appreciated :toot:
 
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it's a unix system
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I'd like a dislike button on this post
Which one, the one involving an IOSU dev recommending that you wait until their tools that are more stable and trustworthy than firmware images floating around online are rather than using a set of tools not designed for end users?

I mean, dislike it all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that just because you're saying that the OP wasn't written specifically with your viewpoint in mind
 
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Which one, the one involving an IOSU dev recommending that you wait until their tools that are more stable and trustworthy than firmware images floating around online are rather than using a set of tools not designed for end users?

I mean, dislike it all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that just because you're saying that the OP wasn't written specifically with your viewpoint in mind

I think it meant the original/first post if I don't quote anything.

While everybody else on the opposite side of OP has been polite, I won't, OP's simply saying SALT will rule, anybody else is shit and should cease and desist, and openness is bad, and you really think that's alright.

And I think OP know shit about developing, current redNAND wast some space so it's shit? usually people make things work first, then polish it later, get it?

And nobody is releasing any experimental IOSU code labeled stable, OP's delusional.

Don't assume I'm against SALT, take whatever time you like to develop, and release whatever/whenever you like to release.
 
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Did you read anything I said?
I specifically said I'm not against open development, in fact I prefer it. However, releasing something that's broken when it has the potential to easily and permanently brick a $300 device is not the way to go. Letting people leak unfinished code onto GBAtemp isn't, either.
I'd also appreciate not giving me comments about my skill with development, when none of us have seen yours either.

Also, you usually don't release unpolished code onto that ISO site.

For the record I read all your post in this thread and NO your writing sound nothing like what you describe here, either you have a moot point or your writing skill is really bad.

Again, those "leak" don't have a stable label on them.

Yes, I didn't see your code, but anyone can conclude from your comment on somebody else's work, you know nothing about development, compression with redNAND? LMFAO

"I'd also appreciate not giving me comments about my skill with development" while you giving comments about somebody else's works is totally fine. who are you, seriously?
 
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Anyone with an ounce of sense can see iosuhax is not for end-user usage.
https://gbatemp.net/threads/wii-u-hacking-homebrew-discussion.367489/page-1010#post-6622621
"Additionally, our backup format for system storage (2xslc + mlc + otp and seeprom) dumps has some really smart compression to keep the backup filesizes waaay down."
Not for end-user usage so what? are they not labeled so? you keep saying this like nobody hears you and can't hear what other people are saying, no offense but you're not functioning like an intelligent human being.

He is just talking about compressed backup, read your quote carefully, compression will be practically meaningless with redNAND/emuNAND IMHO, if not worse, and he also says for a 32GB Wii U owner, it will take 33GB of SD card space, I see no compression here.
 
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(serious post incoming; "code" applies to Sans' guide as well; use common sense)
you know nothing/shit about development.

As someone who certainly doesn't fit that description; I'd like to share my two cents. I'm a huge advocate for open development and I'm not particularly happy with the way SALT has been handling their exploits and systems, however the way WiiUBru's materials were ruthlessly redistributed is completely inappropriate. As you probably know, WiiUBru is a public, developer-oriented forum that only has a registration requirement. However, it's still developer-oriented.

Over the past few weeks I've observed an interesting phenomenon where every last scrap of code; every last byte of a PoC; was "leaked" from one public forum onto another, touted as some shocking revelation stolen from the tightest, most secure grasp: a registration wall!

The thing is, the code was already public. While in most cases this is reason enough to distribute (not leak!) caution must still be taken, and consideration given to audiences and their current access level. Sure; any savvy person could find the code within a heartbeat; that's really the point of having it on an open forum. However, it was in no way ready for GBATemp prime-time and the huge number of people that browse it.

Despite that, it still got that spotlight shining on it prematurely; and code that has a 5.5%(recurring) chance of success (1 try out of 18) and writes data with 76% efficiency (as a baseline, .zip tends to get 110% efficiency on some random files of mine; however I'd expect numbers far in excess of that should it be used on a NAND dump) got presented to the average user; without any input from the developers and without any consideration for the ramifications of such a "leak" (which, don't forget, was already public!)

This just doesn't really sit well with me; especially because of the implications of a "leak" - the secret sauce used by the super-secret developers is now for the everyman! Since the developers use it, it's gotta be stable; yeah? Since nobody's had any issues yet, it's fine to tell everyone that it's 100% safe; yeah? Since it allows pi... (wait, it doesn't allow piracy? uh...) Since it totally deserves to be out there, we can ignore the developer's long-term plans and methods for getting a stable exploit out there! Let's just copy-paste it over to GBATemp!

Again, I have nothing against open development; heck, I practice it myself. However, just because it's public doesn't mean it should be under GBATemp's intense scrutiny. For example, I've been working on a NES emulator during my free time, its source code can be found on GitHub. Do you see it on GBATemp? Nope. That's because I ran the numbers and concluded that the emulator is currently 0.4% complete. It's public and under open development, but it's not ready for primetime. That's the situation we're looking at with the work done around the IOSU that's currently in the public eye.

I'm not saying anything about the quality of the work itself - it's awesome and is exactly where it needs to be at this stage of development. However, just like my emulator, it's not ready for the average person. All the developers involved have stated this, and yet people don't seem to respect them enough to take the corresponding action. Respect is not a word I use lightly, either. (red-flag education time: when I start dropping words like "respect", I'm deadly serious and actions need to be reconsidered)

To sum up, the way some members of this forum dealt with WiiUBru's development model is staggeringly inappropriate and disrespectful. You'd think that a team that actually releases things wouldn't have this problem, but there ya go. For that reason, I agree with what Sans has been saying on this occasion; and I can't let you get away with hurling insults around after woefully misinterpreting the situation and meaning behind this post.

Update: I still stand by what I said in this post, but I'm not 100% sure that it agrees with Sans' viewpoint anymore. The idea behind this post was that the code should be public but only from an appropriate distribution point (not GBATemp), and some things have been said that makes me feel that Sans does not share this sentiment. Now, it could be a misunderstanding, or I may be taking things out of hand/context, but just to be safe I've reworded a few things to not outright say "I share Sans's opinion" (even though I may, again, not 100% sure exactly what he thinks). Again, this is just to be safe and to future-proof this post, I mean nothing by it and I still stand by what I said.
 
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No, that's definitely not an insult, I said "no offense" first, see? and this is sarcasm to your comment on how I shouldn't judge your skill while you can, I'm explaining this in case you can't get it.

If people ignore warning labels, they should know the consequences. But you're here blaming people for sharing their work.

By the way, I'm not defending leaking of other people's work, if that's not clear.

About wasting space, you *should* remember about make it work first polish it later.
 

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