Boston PD prevents local Pokemon TCG Tournament Massacre

XDel · Aug 30, 2015

So is it safe to speak freely and sarcastically in the DOOMWORLD forums now? Has the focus shifted to the Pokemon crowd as the next potential 5th Column recruiting agency of young chidlren?

Hells Malice · Aug 30, 2015

grossaffe said:
Guns are not a privilege to be granted by the government; they are a right. They are so important of a right that they are the second after our freedom of speech/press/assembly/religion. The reason why the right to bear arms is so important isn't because some burglar might break into your home (though it is not a bad reason to own a gun), it is because it is the one right that gives power to all the others. It gives citizens the ability to stand up to the government. Our country was born in revolution and founded on the principle that the government exists by the will of the people, not the other way around.

Gun registration? No thank-you.

Man and so many Americans must wonder why so many people refuse to step foot in America

So many of you are fucking nuts.
It baffles the mind that anyone could be so twisted into believing insane shit like that.
There's a reason the "land of the free" is probably more restricted by fear and laws than any other first world country. Freedoms and rights, hah what a fucking joke.

There's so much one could say, but i'll spare the effort to save myself from having the Pledge of Allegiance screamed at me while machine guns fire in the background.

grossaffe · Aug 30, 2015

Hells Malice said:
Man and so many Americans must wonder why so many people refuse to step foot in America So many of you are fucking nuts.
It baffles the mind that anyone could be so twisted into believing insane shit like that.
There's a reason the "land of the free" is probably more restricted by fear and laws than any other first world country. Freedoms and rights, hah what a fucking joke.

There's so much one could say, but i'll spare the effort to save myself from having the Pledge of Allegiance screamed at me while machine guns fire in the background.

Why would someone expressing distrust in the government scream the pledge of allegiance at you? I refused to say it when I was in high school because it is basically nationalistic propaganda foisted upon children. I pledge no allegiance to the country simply for being the country in which I live; I instead ally myself to the ideals of liberty as expressed by our founding fathers. The fact that congress added the words "under god" to the pledge in the 1950s just shows out out of touch our politicians have become with our founding ideals, considering the very first amendment establishes freedom of religion, not adherence to Abrahamic Monotheism.

Foxi4 · Aug 30, 2015

This is why the rest of the world laughs at Americans - slogans like "you can't turk ur gurnz!" and "we need gurnz in case we need to topple a tyrannical government!" - you're not taking down the government, tyrannical or not, the government is, how do I put it bluntly... "better equipped". Nobody wants to take away your guns, it would just be beneficial to everyone if high standards were in place in order to make sure that buyers are eligible to even use a gun in the first place. You can yell about background checks being performed in all states till your face is blue, that doesn't change the fact that the U.S. is one of the only countries in the world where little Johnny can take his dad's guns, go to school and shoot a bunch of other kids because he read an extremist's website. Guns are not the problem, sure - your nation's attitude towards them is, big time. Saying that restricting the distribution of guns in a sensible manner restricts your freedom to bear arms is like saying that the legal requirement of having a driving license restricts your freedom of interstate travel - it's total nonsense. You have the freedom to bear arms and everyone else has the freedom to be safe, require you to be responsible with guns and store them in a safe manner - a locked safe or gun cabinet, which is where they belong when they're not in use.

sarkwalvein · Aug 30, 2015

I feel more in peace and live better in a place where I just don't need to carry a gun to feel safe, and where I also know that it is very difficult that someone in a bad day could go nuts take a gun out of his closet and go on a killing spree.
PS: Just in case, I live in Germany.

EDIT: Also, have you noticed that the Police here works to help you, and it is not an entity that might inspire any kind of fear to the average citizen?... That is really different that in the whole South-Center-North American continent, including the almighty USA. (Well, perhaps in Canada it is different, I just don't know)

grossaffe · Aug 30, 2015

And this is precisely why I waited so long to post on the topic. Clearly this is not a place where people are willing to have a mature discussion on the topic.

sarkwalvein · Aug 30, 2015

grossaffe said:
And this is precisely why I waited so long to post on the topic. Clearly this is not a place where people are willing to have a mature discussion on the topic.

Why do you think so?
And what is the topic now?
I have seen this go from the Boston PD preventing a massacre, to actual theories that it was all a bad joke from these two kids, to a discussion on right to carry and own firearms by common citizens... to... well, where are we now?
What is the topic you wanted to have a mature discussion on?
On the one hand, trust me regarding this, people from outside of America are kind of freaked out (or at least somewhat scared) with this concept of common citizens carrying firearms. That can be good, or bad, or whatever, but it is true.
Also I think I went OT with this, but regarding the role and significance police has in the mind of the common citizen, I speak from my own experience, based mostly in what I see in Argentina, not in the USA, but it matches what I listen from people in the USA.
As I have no personal experience regarding the situation in the USA other than news and talks with third parties, this should be taken with a grain of salt.

I don't know if any of those comments of mine offended you, or if you were offended by something else. But at least I don't think my comments are in the proportion to say I derailed the conversation into something where it "is not a place where people are willing to have a mature discussion on the topic".

grossaffe · Aug 30, 2015

sarkwalvein said:
Why do you think so?
And what is the topic now?
I have seen this go from the Boston PD preventing a massacre, to actual theories that it was all a bad joke from these two kids, to a discussion on right to carry and own firearms by common citizens... to... well, where are we now?
What is the topic you wanted to have a mature discussion on?

It's not so much that I desired to have a mature discussion on a particular topic as much as my preference that discussions on serious topics in general be mature. This thread was going to inevitably become about gun control as that is how this always goes down, but this just does not seem to be a forum capable of having a mature discussion on that topic.

On the one hand, trust me regarding this, people from outside of America are kind of freaked out (or at least somewhat scared) with this concept of common citizens carrying firearms. That can be good, or bad, or whatever, but it is true.

I've noticed. The same is also true of many in America who have never handled a gun. Sometimes all it takes to get someone to stop crusading against guns is to put one in their hands and teach them how to use it properly. It loses its mystique and the reputation built up for it in the media. I can't count the number of times I've seen the cliche on TV and Film where a character proclaims something to the effect of "don't worry, it's empty" and then the gun goes off.

Also I think I went OT with this, but regarding the role and significance police has in the mind of the common citizen, I speak from my own experience, based mostly in what I see in Argentina, not in the USA, but it matches what I listen from people in the USA.
As I have no personal experience regarding the situation in the USA other than news and talks with third parties, this should be taken with a grain of salt.

I don't think you went OT with that, really, as the police were brought up by Foxi (if not earlier) and then addressed by myself.
On the subject of police, most of the police we have are good people. My own personal experiences with police have been positive. The school resource officer at my middle school took me out of lunch one day to show me the M16 he had in the back of his squad car from his SWAT training. My car once broke down on a busy road and a cop came along to help me get my car off the road (which I couldn't do myself while the car was still moving because the other assholes on the road kept illegally passing me on the shoulder which prevented me from getting over and out of the way). Then there was the time my car died (for good

) on another major road (I did manage to get to the shoulder that time) at around 1:30 in the morning, and a cop swung by and gave me a lift to a convenience store so I could pick up some antifreeze in the off chance that coolant could get my car running again (since the engine had overheated and the coolant reservoir was empty). There was the time just last winter when the cops were called on my because I was playing pond hockey (one of those nosey neighbors out there who thinks they know what's best for us). After a bit of discussion, they were willing walk away and not check the sign near the pond to see if it says to stay off the ice (which it does), and just asked us to try to be quieter on the ice to keep anyone else from calling them about us.

Anyways, my point is that most cops here are good cops that put service to the community first. It's a big deal to us when the police abuse their power, and it's a part of our culture to put it out there when they do in the hopes that we can get better. I guess a side effect of that is that the world sees our dirty laundry and paints a picture of us based on that, but so be it.

I don't know if any of those comments of mine offended you, or if you were offended by something else. But at least I don't think my comments are in the proportion to say I derailed the conversation into something where it "is not a place where people are willing to have a mature discussion on the topic".

I wasn't really referring to you (although I think the "Almighty America" comment was a bit unnecessary), but rather the individuals out there resorting to Ad Hominem remarks with offensive and ignorant caricatures of Americans.

sarkwalvein · Aug 30, 2015

grossaffe said:
I wasn't really referring to you (although I think the "Almighty America" comment was a bit unnecessary), but rather the individuals out there resorting to Ad Hominem remarks with offensive and ignorant caricatures of Americans.

Sorry, that actually sounded bad. I was trying to convey I didn't think it was only a third world problem, but sure my wording could have been better.

grossaffe · Aug 30, 2015

sarkwalvein said:
Sorry, that actually sounded bad. I was trying to convey I didn't think it was only a third world problem, but sure my wording could have been better.

Apology accepted. Also, I'm not quite sure what you were saying there. Were you saying that the cops in Argentina are more benevolent than the ones in the rest of the American Continents? If so, I would advise taking into consideration that you are likely to hear only negative things from the news, so comparing police where you are to places that you haven't been and haven't experienced directly may lead to a skewed view.

sarkwalvein · Aug 30, 2015

grossaffe said:
Apology accepted. Also, I'm not quite sure what you were saying there. Were you saying that the cops in Argentina are more benevolent than the ones in the rest of the American Continents? If so, I would advise taking into consideration that you are likely to hear only negative things from the news, so comparing police where you are to places that you haven't been and haven't experienced directly may lead to a skewed view.

Nope, cops in Argentina are not exactly benevolent, they may sometimes abuse power but -normally- not with lethal consequences (not that it is good anyway).
Even so they are not so helpful.
You can expect them to trick you, ask for bribes, and in general, when you think of somebody helpful you don't think of the police.
Of course there are good policemen and bad policemen, like in every place, but IMHO there is so much corruption that good policemen can't do much.
I was actually saying that I find the way people see the police, and how the police works, is very different in Argentina (and probably also in the rest of Latin America and even the USA), compared to Germany where I now live.

EDIT: I find the police in Germany to be quite helpful even to foreigners like me that barely speak German.

grossaffe · Aug 31, 2015

sarkwalvein said:
Nope, cops in Argentina are not exactly benevolent, they may sometimes abuse power but -normally- not with lethal consequences (not that it is good anyway).
Even so they are not so helpful.
You can expect them to trick you, ask for bribes, and in general, when you think of somebody helpful you don't think of the police.
Of course there are good policemen and bad policeman, like in every place, but IMHO there is so much corruption that good policemen can't do much.
I was actually saying that I find the way people see the police, and how the police works, is very different in Argentina (and probably also in the rest of Latin America and even the USA), compared to Germany where I now live.

Oh, I think I missed the Germany part. I saw you have the Argentina flag under your name, so I associated "here" with Argentina.

I find it difficult, sometimes, comparing something from a European country to the United States because we're so much bigger and more diverse, and each of our states can have such different ways of doing things. We've got very urban areas like DC and Philly where there'll be more crime and cops may be more aggressive and corruptible, and then there are suburban and rural areas where one can expect much a much more relaxed police service where the cops probably spend a lot more time just helping people rather than dealing with violent crime.

I'm with you that corruption and abuse of power is not exclusive to third world countries. We've got our own demons in that aspect, but we're working on it. I think we may be looking at a time of change in America right now when it comes to policing. The Ferguson riots seem to have set off a chain reaction and has really raised awareness that will give us the chance to look at what we are currently doing and will hopefully lead to improving ourselves.

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