UK police warns those who post "hate crime" and threatens users with "criminal offences"

[Viri]

If that makes you feel good I think you need to get outside more

Congrats?...

Damn right, feels great not having the police kick my door in for saying mean things online. And yea, being able to legally own a gun is pretty nice.

Sure, ask Ocelot. He sure looks like an bad ass /s

Hell yeah! I would love to get Magnum revolver like the one used in RE. Or a Mauser c96, like they use in RE4. Too bad it's an old gun and expensive.

 

[jt_1258]

so even livin over here in the us by Chicago they think they think they'll cuff me up for tellin ya to go kys, hay, I've always wanted to travel so lets go bois

 

[Pacheko17]

This is how free speech dies, this is how western civilization starts to fall... except it's been happening for a while and the fall has already started.

UK is quickly becoming another Sweden. What counts as hate speech? Critiques to Islam? Offending communists? Being against feminism?
This is stupid, I'm glad I don't live there.

 

[Viri]

This is how free speech dies, this is how western civilization starts to fall... except it's been happening for a while and the fall has already started.

UK is quickly becoming another Sweden. What counts as hate speech? Critiques to Islam? Offending communists? Being against feminism?
This is stupid, I'm glad I don't live there.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/

Thankfully our supreme court made things a bit more clear. So, no worries of this in the US at least.

 

[grossaffe]

It's because Europe and USA have radically different definitions of "opinions". Right-wing people in Europe are almost centrists in the US. So when US people learn about the european definition of free speech, they say it's censorship, while it's really not, it's just a matter pf preventing people from saying "gays are mentally ill", or "Muslims are all terrorists" etc, which would be unacceptable even for european alt-right. Here free speech doesn't cover hate speech, and I think that's good.

You just described censorship in attempting to explain how it's not censorship.

 

[Catastrophic]

I don't think hate speech of any sort should be considered a crime, no matter how bigoted or offensive it is. I think that for two reasons: I believe law should never exist on a subjective level; no one or few people should be able to look at something and just decide whether it's legal or not. Secondly, I feel like it's discouraging people from being mature adults and not taking everything they see so personally.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Damn right, feels great not having the police kick my door in for saying mean things online.

Granted, I understand what you're saying, but why is it so important to you that you have the unrestrained ability to be a complete and utter douchebag?

Have you ever tried... I dunno... just being a decent person?...

 

[grossaffe]

Granted, I understand what you're saying, but why is it so important to you that you have the unrestrained ability to be a complete and utter douchebag?

Have you ever tried... I dunno... just being a decent person?...

It's easy to support freedom of speech when you agree with what is being said. The true test of your convictions comes when you do not agree with what is being said.

 

[CallmeBerto]

It's easy to support freedom of speech when you agree with what is being said. The true test of your convictions comes when you do not agree with what is being said.

Came here to say this.

 

[Thirty3Three]

Brooklyn police are scarier.

Chip chip, cheerio!

 

[TotalInsanity4]

It's easy to support freedom of speech when you agree with what is being said. The true test of your convictions comes when you do not agree with what is being said.

Exactly, but you can do so in a way that isn't rude. I've seen it before, and, even though I can be sarcastic sometimes, I strive not to be aggressive with anyone no matter what

Edit: unless it's in person and they're physically hurting someone

 

[grossaffe]

Exactly, but you can do so in a way that isn't rude. I've seen it before, and, even though I can be sarcastic sometimes, I strive not to be aggressive with anyone no matter what

Edit: unless it's in person and they're physically hurting someone

Firstly, so? Why should it be illegal to be rude?
Secondly, "rude" is subjective. Who gets to decide what level of rudeness about what subject to whom should be a crime?

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Firstly, so? Why should it be illegal to be rude?
Secondly, "rude" is subjective. Who gets to decide what level of rudeness about what subject to whom should be a crime?

Not saying it should be illegal, I'm saying people shouldn't be feeling good about it

And yes, "rude" is subjective, but generally the baseline for when to back off is if the person you're interacting with tells you so

 

[grossaffe]

Not saying it should be illegal, I'm saying people shouldn't be feeling good about it

And yes, "rude" is subjective, but generally the baseline for when to back off is if the person you're interacting with tells you so

Not gonna lie, it's pretty cathartic sometimes. I generally try to be respectful on here and other forums, however sometimes I'll just let loose on someone that (in my not-that-humble opinion) deserves it.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Not gonna lie, it's pretty cathartic sometimes. I generally try to be respectful on here and other forums, however sometimes I'll just let loose on someone that (in my not-that-humble opinion) deserves it.

's why I said "strive," because I'm the same way lol. It doesn't make me feel good afterwards, though, which is the overall point I'm trying to make

 

[grossaffe]

's why I said "strive," because I'm the same way lol. It doesn't make me feel good afterwards, though, which is the overall point I'm trying to make

I guess that's where we differ. I feel generally feel pretty good about it when I do go off on someone. I don't blow up in a fit of rage so much as I come to a decision that I will rip into them and then contemplate on how best to do so. Definitely think about it long enough to know I'll have no regerts.

 

[Saiyan Lusitano]

Damn stupid Tories.

Both political parties are shit (Labour/Tories) as they only look out for their own interests rather than the people yet there are those who firmly believe A or B are any good.

UK is going down a path that the best thing to do is get out while there's still time.

 

[HaloEliteLegend]

The UK is fucked.

Also, arresting people for "hate crimes" is a direct threat to freedom of speech. Because what if a political adversary labels something you say a "hate crime" and then arrests you for it? Who decides what is "hate"? Since language is dynamic and changes constantly, how can the legal system keep up with the vernacular? Sure, cyberbulling and abuse is terrible, but I'd much rather ensure freedom of speech is protected. That seems like the much larger bounty.
It seems nowadays we have to defend freedom of speech for the worst of people. But it's freedom of speech nonetheless, and something that should never be given up, at any cost.

 

[StarTrekVoyager]

If free speech is being able to send death threats and insult people, I don't want of free speech.

 

[Pacheko17]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/

Thankfully our supreme court made things a bit more clear. So, no worries of this in the US at least.

The US is doing fine, I'm quite happy with how things are going.
It's one of the only countries I'd like to move to.