Was the moon landing a hoax???

[mashers]

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2001/ast23feb_2/
Do CTRL+F for "waving"

.gov domain...

 

[gnmmarechal]

.gov domain...

It doesn't matter. Physics isn't bound by the government.
"Not every waving flag needs a breeze -- at least not in space. When astronauts were planting the flagpole they rotated it back and forth to better penetrate the lunar soil (anyone who's set a blunt tent-post will know how this works). So of course the flag waved! Unfurling a piece of rolled-up cloth with stored angular momentum will naturally result in waves and ripples -- no breeze required!"

Also, don't forget there is no air in the moon - the movement wouldn't be stopped by the air resistance.

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I mean, we don't need any gov website. We need a book on physics, at most.

Angular momentum, lack of air, etc.

 

[mashers]

It doesn't matter. Physics isn't bound by the government.

Of course. But if there was genuine reason to believe that the USA had hoaxed its own moon landing, then I suspect that an American Government site explaining the physics would not be the most reliable source.

"Not every waving flag needs a breeze -- at least not in space. When astronauts were planting the flagpole they rotated it back and forth to better penetrate the lunar soil (anyone who's set a blunt tent-post will know how this works). So of course the flag waved! Unfurling a piece of rolled-up cloth with stored angular momentum will naturally result in waves and ripples -- no breeze required!"

Also, don't forget there is no air in the moon - the movement wouldn't be stopped by the air resistance.

It was the way the corner suddenly flapped up that I really focused on. I can't see any reason why it would do that.

 

[wormdood]

research about those topics.

are you reading i never mentioned that i believed 90% of the listed items stated in that article so did i read its entirety . . . of course not nor did i research 90% of it as it does not pertain to my belief on the matter . . .

 

[WiiUBricker]

Not only did they take thousands of high quality pictures...

I think my 3DS can take better quality pics

 

[Engert]

Look, people are different and some people won't believe simple facts.
I think that the people who believe in these types of hoaxes also invented Religion back in the stone age.
How do you explain that lightning from the sky which burned that tree?
GOD !

 

[mashers]

nor did i research 90% of it as it does not pertain to my belief on the matter . . .

Well, research means learning about both sides of the argument. If you only read evidence which confirms what you already believe then you're not researching anything.

 

[gnmmarechal]

Look, people are different and some people won't believe simple facts.
I think that the people who believe in these types of hoaxes also invented Religion back in the stone age.
How do you explain that lightning from the sky which burned that tree?
GOD !

Wrong. It was different. At the time, they believed that as they didn't know how to explain what happened.


Currently, the technology IS there, yet some don't believe...

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are you reading i never mentioned that i believed 90% of the listed items stated in that article so did i read its entirety . . . of course not nor did i research 90% of it as it does not pertain to my belief on the matter . . .

Meaning, one who doesn't understand both sides of an argument has no place arguing about said matter. I've read the (bullshit) reasons for the "fake moon landing". I've read the information about the "real moon landing". I've read (and studied) Physics as well. Have you?

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Of course. But if there was genuine reason to believe that the USA had hoaxed its own moon landing, then I suspect that an American Government site explaining the physics would not be the most reliable source.


It was the way the corner suddenly flapped up that I really focused on. I can't see any reason why it would do that.

It's a pendulum, and he's rotating in one way and the other. it doesn't behave the same as on Earth due to the lack of air resistance. But seriously, watching that, I really would love to go to the moon. It must feel pretty.... different.



Also, don't forget there are more countries than the USA. I find it...rather stupid... to consider it a world-wide conspiracy. Honestly.

 

[wormdood]

Well, research means learning about both sides of the argument. If you only read evidence which confirms what you already believe then you're not researching anything.

right . . . so if my argument is about the pics of the flags i should read an article on surviving the radiation ? . . . im saying that i read the parts that "debunk" what im saying . . . why read about debunking other aspects that the article and i already believe to be false

 

[gnmmarechal]

right . . . so if my argument is about the pics of the flags i should read an article on surviving the radiation ? . . . im saying that i read the parts that "debunk" what im saying . . . why read about debunking other aspects that the article and i already believe to be false

It doesn't matter what you believe. Facts =/= beliefs. When doing research, one must put his beliefs aside and research about both sides. EXTENSIVELY, until there are clear contradictions that can't be explained by, say, physics.

 

[Engert]

It doesn't matter what you believe. Facts =/= beliefs. When doing research, one must put his beliefs aside and research about both sides. EXTENSIVELY, until there are clear contradictions that can't be explained by, say, physics.

Dude, not sure why you're trying to convince people who believe in hoaxes. Things like Physics which govern the rules of the Universe don't matter to these people and they invent God instead. Or invent a Hoax.

 

[wormdood]

It doesn't matter what you believe. Facts =/= beliefs.

now you toss my same point at me but in different words . . .

once apon a time the earth was flat and anyone who believed otherwise was a "tin foil person" . . . true story

they (the tin foil people) were correct despite the "facts" that were in circulation at the time because even undiscovered truth is truth

 

[gnmmarechal]

Dude, not sure why you're trying to convince people who believe in hoaxes. Things like Physics which govern the rules of the Universe don't matter to these people and they invent God instead. Or invent a Hoax.

I'd rather not bring God into the equation. I can't say it exists nor I can say it doesn't exist.


Although, the biblic God probably can be debunked by pure logic.

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now you toss my same point at me but in different words . . . they were correct despite the "facts" that were in circulation at the time because even undiscovered truth is truth

The thing is - it's not a fucking conspiracy either way. People thought the Earth was flat - it was proven wrong. There was no "faking" involved. It was simply an assumption that was defeated by math and physics.


The "moon landing hoax" involves a conspiracy. And, can ALSO be defeated by math, logic and physics.

 

[Abcdfv]

Yeah. Also, there's a cancer cure for rich people (steve jobe stil here), 9/11 was a controlled explosion for oil, Walt Disney is still alive through cryogenics, and vaccines give you autism.

Real answer? No, it wasn't faked, because we had people witness the launch!

One of these conspiracies is not like the other!

 

[wormdood]

I think that the people who believe in these types of hoaxes also invented Religion back in the stone age.
How do you explain that lightning from the sky which burned that tree?
GOD !

Dude, not sure why you're trying to convince people who believe in hoaxes. Things like Physics which govern the rules of the Universe don't matter to these people and they invent God instead. Or invent a Hoax.

i think you meant to post here Do You Believe In God?

 

[Deleted member 370283]

The Mythbusters made an episode on the moon landing which includes the flag waving thing.
I suggest that you watch it, @mashers.

 

[gnmmarechal]

i think you meant to post here Do You Believe In God?

Actually, this thread, and the other two, are rather similar in terms of content. It's not entirely off-topic. Though I wouldn't talk about God, as it is something that can't be confirmed or debunked by facts.

 

[Engert]

I think that some of you missed my point but it's okay, i still love you guys.

 

[grossaffe]

It was flat because the technology wasn't there to prove otherwise. It currently is there to do so, and studying physics helps understanding too. It's rather... sorry, stupid, to believe otherwise. Read the "debunking" of the tinfoil theories. It makes sense that we did land on the moon. It honestly doesn't make any sense that we didn't. Call it whatever you want, but the tinfoil people often lack knowledge of basic physics.

actually, it doesn't take much technologically to prove the earth is round. Should be doable with a boat and a telescope. Watch boat sail off into the distance through your telescope and said boat will eventually drop below the horizon; round earth proven.

 

[gnmmarechal]

I think that some of you missed my point but it's okay, i still love you guys.

I didn't miss it, but I wouldn't use God as a comparison.

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actually, it doesn't take much technologically to prove the earth is round. Should be doable with a boat and a telescope. Watch boat sail off into the distance through your telescope and said boat will eventually drop below the horizon; round earth proven.

Math and Physics are also technologies. those weren't developed enough.
At any rate, should such a thing happen, they would obviously fall from the Earth /s



At least in Sid Meier's Civilization anyway