Yet again, Americans prove just how pathetic they are

[quote name='Pliskron' post='2693767' date='Mar 22 2010, 06:08 PM']Well you made my point for me. No one has to work. Everyone gets handouts. That's a shitty system in my book. I'd rather work and keep what I work for. Not float a bunch of bums. Sounds like a formula for running out of money. Oh Greece was giving handouts and now they're broke. Yeah good system. Everyone has money until there is no money left to hand out. I know rioting will solve it.[/quote]
You have yet to respond to anything anyone has really said to you about the economic system itself. All you do is say "OK, look at this, then look at this, now look at this," no one really cares because everyone here knows you don't know what you're talking about. When a state (as in country) is in debt, of course their currency will drop a little bit. The Netherlands have had a pretty good economy ever since they became a country, so...

You and I both have no idea what it's like to live in either country, by the way. Your blatant insults to them, as well as your ignorance shouldn't be accepted here.

[quote name='Pliskron' post='2693816' date='Mar 23 2010, 01:28 AM']Yeah I throw facts at you that you can't deal with so I'm a troll. That's convenient. It has been fun btw.[/quote]

You think saying 10 people living in the Netherlands is throwing a fact at me?

[quote name='Pliskron' post='2693816' date='Mar 23 2010, 01:28 AM']Yeah I throw facts at you that you can't deal with so I'm a troll. That's convenient. It has been fun btw.[/quote]

He just hit you with something that was clearly a valid point and you clearly can't comment on it. You obviously know nothing of Europe

It's hilarious that you think a full Continent of Countries is all clones of each other and are run in the same way.

I have a bad feeling about this thread...

People, can't you see? We have not gathered here to argue about nationality, but for one thing:
To argue about game franchises and yell at noobs for not knowing who Waninkoko is!

Or, that's what I WOULD say if we weren't in the "Other Discussions" forum. Pretty wise, eh?

That being said, my philosophy is that we are all biased, and all of our governments have their shortcomings.

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HUMOROUS EDIT OF THE WEEK

Well I was taking about an economic union not political. In that regard it is the same. Like in the US all states share a common currency. When I pick up the wall street journal they talk about the euro zone not one country. Like it or not I can't invest on a particular states currency I have to buy euros. That said both Europe and the US are doing the exact opposite of what they should be doing except Germany. Trying to spend their way out of a hole. It doesn't work and that's why everyone's dealing with 7, 8 , and 9 percent unemployment. The governments are now sucking money out of the economy and perpetuating high unemployment. That's Keynesian economics 101 and it's proven to fail in the long term.

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[quote name='Llama Riot' post='2693840' date='Mar 23 2010, 02:37 AM'][quote name='BlueStar' post='2693573' date='Mar 22 2010, 07:53 PM'][quote name='Pliskron' post='2693562' date='Mar 22 2010, 11:49 PM'][/quote]
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[quote name='Pliskron' post='2693854' date='Mar 22 2010, 08:45 PM']Well I was taking about an economic union not political. In that regard it is the same. Like in the US all states share a common currency. When I pick up the wall street journal they talk about the euro zone not one country. Like it or not I can't invest on a particular states currency I have to buy euros. That said both Europe and the US are doing the exact opposite of what they should be doing except Germany. Trying to spend their way out of a hole. It doesn't work and that's why everyone's dealing with 7, 8 , and 9 percent unemployment. The governments are now sucking money out of the economy and perpetuating high unemployment. That's Keynesian economics 101 and it's proven to fail in the long term.[/quote]

Fair enough. From an economic standpoint, we seem be digging holes and using the dirt to fill other holes... It's because the US is trying to fix the economy in a way that wouldn't unsettle its citizens, which is doomed to fail.

There's not really much the US can do at this point that wouldn't require a huge lifestyle adjustment. For instance, reverting to the Gold Standard would make it so our money is worth more, but it would GREATLY decrease the amount of money in circulation.

[quote name='geoflcl' post='2693862' date='Mar 23 2010, 02:50 AM'][quote name='Pliskron' post='2693854' date='Mar 22 2010, 08:45 PM']Well I was taking about an economic union not political. In that regard it is the same. Like in the US all states share a common currency. When I pick up the wall street journal they talk about the euro zone not one country. Like it or not I can't invest on a particular states currency I have to buy euros. That said both Europe and the US are doing the exact opposite of what they should be doing except Germany. Trying to spend their way out of a hole. It doesn't work and that's why everyone's dealing with 7, 8 , and 9 percent unemployment. The governments are now sucking money out of the economy and perpetuating high unemployment. That's Keynesian economics 101 and it's proven to fail in the long term.[/quote]

Fair enough. From an economic standpoint, we seem be digging holes and using the dirt to fill other holes... It's because the US is trying to fix the economy in a way that wouldn't unsettle its citizens, which is doomed to fail.

There's not really much the US can do at this point that wouldn't require a huge lifestyle adjustment. For instance, reverting to the Gold Standard would make it so our money is worth more, but it would GREATLY decrease the amount of money in circulation.
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At some point the Chinese are going to stop buying our securities and floating us then the treasury is going to have to raise interest rates to buy dollars back to shore up the currency and stave off runaway inflation. Higher interest rates are going to be another drag on the economy. Then in the next year you're going to see a national vat tax to try to get the exploding debt under control. What we need is painful fiscal discipline, and tax cuts. The way I see it we're in for a long shitty hall.

[quote name='Pliskron' post='2693854' date='Mar 23 2010, 01:45 AM']Well I was taking about an economic union not political. In that regard it is the same. Like in the US all states share a common currency. When I pick up the wall street journal they talk about the euro zone not one country. Like it or not I can't invest on a particular states currency I have to buy euros. That said both Europe and the US are doing the exact opposite of what they should be doing except Germany. Trying to spend their way out of a hole. It doesn't work and that's why everyone's dealing with 7, 8 , and 9 percent unemployment. The governments are now sucking money out of the economy and perpetuating high unemployment. That's Keynesian economics 101 and it's proven to fail in the long term.[/quote]

Then you need to read better papers because Britain still uses the Pound and Pence system. If you try spending a Euro in most places, specially the more remote parts, they'll look at you funny and tell you to go to the bank to change it. Like I said, we have a bunch of common laws but we're all still single countries. The union does have a common parliament that sets common laws but these are usually seperate from how a country runs. They're there more to dictate common funding, set boundaries, trade etc. It's a complicated affair. We still set our own policies though.

The high unemployment here is a whole big bag of tricks. The UK has been digging itself into a hole for years because of an attempt to move to a more pure capitalism based system. National services were sold off which created competition but didn't really add to the employment as over time all companies downsized. Lots of national companies have been bought out buy multi-nationals, shut down and moved overseas. Lots of companies now outsource because it's alot cheaper. The nation has become less educated, the less educated you are the narrower your field of unemployment. The bigger corporations have out competed alot of smaller independently owned p[laces but not replaced the jobs. Those are just some of the most basic reasons unemployment is high at the moment here.

In all honesty I think one of the problems of both countries is everybodies reluctance to pay taxes. If you're home has a hole in the roof do you leave it and hope someone else pays for it or do you chalk up the cash? You get it fixed don't you. The problem is holding the government accountable for the spending and the way they pander to big business. Look at the bank crisis, why the hell should the common guy have had to pay for idiotic spending by greedy bank owners and employees. The governments should have just siezed the banks, put the money in themselves from the bail out. The banks could have then been run for less profit and better policed by ombudsmen. It would mean cheaper bank charges, and there'd be no bosses earning ridiculous amounts of cash for basically being fat, firing people to keep the bonuses up and well, running the banks into the ground. As the bank system would still run at a profit, that profit could be used for both the upkeep of the bank system and the upkeep of country.

[quote name='Pliskron' post='2693816' date='Mar 22 2010, 07:28 PM']Yeah I throw facts at you that you can't deal with so I'm a troll. That's convenient. It has been fun btw.[/quote]

Yes, because someone who lives in the (biased)US totally knows more about the EU and Europe then someone living there. Yeah. Your logic makes sense. Also, you've yet to give us a single, valid point about anything. Meanwhile, we have a whole bunch of people, Europeons included, saying you're a complete right-wing moronic dumbfuck fear mongerer. Get out of my topic now, please.

Then again, I'd wager the europeans understand the shit this country's in better then we do ourselves. They aren't prone to being moronic, blind patriots, after all.

[quote name='shinkukage09' post='2694017' date='Mar 23 2010, 03:04 AM']Then again, I'd wager the europeans understand the shit this country's in better then we do ourselves. They aren't prone to being moronic, blind patriots, after all.[/quote]

I wouldn't go that far. lol We've got a fair share, a couple of them are European Parliament members at this very moment.

Cool, my post floated under the radar.

[quote name='shinkukage09' post='2694017' date='Mar 22 2010, 08:04 PM'][quote name='Pliskron' post='2693816' date='Mar 22 2010, 07:28 PM']Yeah I throw facts at you that you can't deal with so I'm a troll. That's convenient. It has been fun btw.[/quote]

Yes, because someone who lives in the (biased)US totally knows more about the EU and Europe then someone living there. Yeah. Your logic makes sense. Also, you've yet to give us a single, valid point about anything. Meanwhile, we have a whole bunch of people, Europeons included, saying you're a complete right-wing moronic dumbfuck fear mongerer. Get out of my topic now, please.

Then again, I'd wager the europeans understand the shit this country's in better then we do ourselves. They aren't prone to being moronic, blind patriots, after all.
[/quote]Whoa, whoa don't take it that far. Like TrolleyDave said, there are plenty of nationalists all around the world. Some in Europe are even worse than Americans. There are still people (for some reason) everywhere in the world that think their nationality/ethnicity/race is the master nationality/ethnicity/race.

Obviously, by studying history and modern politics, we can know just as much as any European. We just won't have the experience. It's the same for them.


[quote name='Sterl500' post='2694045' date='Mar 22 2010, 08:17 PM']Cool, my post floated under the radar.

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I don't know about the other posters, but I found your post to be subjective and much more informed than Pliskron's. Plus all our focus was on Pliskron mainly -with other smaller arguments on the side- so I guess it was under the radar.

oh look a political thread with over 100 replies.

I belong to another forum where the average IQ level is in general far enough up, that chances are you guys miiiight just be able to see it if you squint

And you know what, they can't post anything meritorious about politics either.

But I doubt that will get anyone to go back to discussing games and things they actually understand

[quote name='Sterl500' post='2693646' date='Mar 23 2010, 12:16 AM']EDIT: OMG a photshopped Glen Beck picture. How much skill you have good sir. :sarcasm:[/quote]

Uh... What? In what way is it photoshopped?

[quote name='BlueStar' post='2694955' date='Mar 23 2010, 07:26 AM'][quote name='Sterl500' post='2693646' date='Mar 23 2010, 12:16 AM']EDIT: OMG a photshopped Glen Beck picture. How much skill you have good sir. :sarcasm:[/quote]

Uh... What? In what way is it photoshopped?
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Hmm, really, it WASN'T photo shopped? The only time I saw that was when he was on set (only one time too), and that doesn't look like a set. :/

[quote name='Sterl500' post='2694971' date='Mar 23 2010, 12:41 PM'][quote name='BlueStar' post='2694955' date='Mar 23 2010, 07:26 AM'][quote name='Sterl500' post='2693646' date='Mar 23 2010, 12:16 AM']EDIT: OMG a photshopped Glen Beck picture. How much skill you have good sir. :sarcasm:[/quote]

Uh... What? In what way is it photoshopped?
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Hmm, really, it WASN'T photo shopped? The only time I saw that was when he was on set (only one time too), and that doesn't look like a set. :/
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Taken from this vid I think

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/gl...ecrets-revealed

This thread can apply to every single country in the world that has mixed races. Not only USA.

shinkukage09, i get you're point that the USA is in the brink of desctruction but the fact that you're blaming specific groups of people is brainless/stereotypical as well.

Don't go blaming people for being racist or governments being bad and all. It all starts with a person's personal intent to change or even be concerned with other people even if there is no immediate "payment".

I'm a migrant here in Canada and yeah, the outside looks sweet but I can almost see through people having conversations with other races, they're pretty much STILL anxious. Black people are still not fully accepted, and usually feared(why?). Filipinos are still filipinos, considered underlevel workers. Chinese, russians, etc.

If a person, whether a regular taxpayer or even the mayor of a city, is willing to fully embrace how the world change and mixed cultures is the way to survive, then there'll be no racism. If whites make fun of blacks, then blacks have their own way of making fun of whites.

I have to say, US citizens who are against these kinds of changes because they don't like government spending need to look at how much of their tax money the government has been spending on healthcare in the current system during the Bush era.



Oh look, those evil-rest-of-the-world socialist countries are doing less big bad government spending on healthcare than the US has been doing in this supposed free market system.