YAY! finished P3P

[quote name='prowler_' post='3912921' date='Oct 1 2011, 03:28 PM'][quote name='Augusta' post='3912900' date='Oct 1 2011, 07:16 PM']Never heard the undub of P3P so the dub was very good overall. The only VA that got annoying was Fuuka
Playing P4 undub and the VA's are fantastic.

Undub is better because VA's don't get in the way if you just want to read instead of listen whereas with dubs, you'll read halfway then just stop and listen because someone keeps reading over you.

Undub ftw[/quote]Dub ftw.
Two examples
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If I watched the first seconds of this in Japanese, I wouldn't be bothered with it but because the VA's did such an awesome job, it made me want to play the shit out of this game.

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This game in Japanese wouldn't be as funny.
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I say it depends on the game, like Rune Factory 1 and 2, they have some pretty awful dubs. Rune Factory 3, however, has a pretty good dub.

[quote name='prowler_' post='3912921' date='Oct 1 2011, 03:28 PM']Dub ftw.
Two examples
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke7IWbtseOY[/youtube]
If I watched the first seconds of this in Japanese, I wouldn't be bothered with it but because the VA's did such an awesome job, it made me want to play the shit out of this game.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i9em-WcKkY[/youtube]
This game in Japanese wouldn't be as funny.[/quote]

Didn't even know what Nier was until I watched that intro lol.
Is the story above average considering it's an RPG?(Not sure if it is or just straight action adventure)

Good points. IMO, more often than not, if a game is made in Japan/China, the best VA will be undub. Same goes for NA VA's localized to Japan.

[quote name='Narayan' post='3912938' date='Oct 1 2011, 03:33 PM']and also, idk why, but for me japanese and korean are nice to hear.[/quote]

This. As long as it's not high pitched.

[quote name='Augusta' post='3912939' date='Oct 2 2011, 04:34 AM']It's not that you have to completely understand it to know if the voice acting is good. The emphasis and VA in accordance to their actions gets the message across and does a great job doing so. Nothing beats original voice acting 99% of the time considering all the information, background, setting etc given. [/quote]
that is if you are looking for the original setting and understand it, but there are times where some things need to be changed in order to fit in with the target audience. for example, not all filipinos will like how japanese people speak.
i can say this because i grew up watching anime dubbed in filipino. clannad including. but still, clannad was still epic. and i know some people who prefer the dub since they understand it more, not the words meant but the way it was delivered.

[quote name='Augusta' post='3912964' date='Oct 1 2011, 07:44 PM']Didn't even know what Nier was until I watched that intro lol.
Is the story above average considering it's an RPG?(Not sure if it is or just straight action adventure)[/quote]Don't let the Square Enix put you off, it's truly an amazing game. One of the best games this generation.

Edit: There's tons of reading, just so you know. Literally, parts of the game is just a black screen with text which adds to the experience.

There's also a prequel which I didn't even know about until I finished the game.

Edit2: It's late, errors everywhere. Fuck off Internet.

There's a prequel to Nier? :0

*Downloads*


There's even a sequel to the prequel...wait what.

I really need to get around to playing Nier. I bought a while ago but I just don't have the time to play.

[quote name='prowler_' post='3912968' date='Oct 1 2011, 03:49 PM'][quote name='Augusta' post='3912964' date='Oct 1 2011, 07:44 PM']Didn't even know what Nier was until I watched that intro lol.
Is the story above average considering it's an RPG?(Not sure if it is or just straight action adventure)[/quote]Don't let the Square Enix put you off, it's truly an amazing game. One of the best games this generation.

Edit: There's tons of reading, just so you know. Literally, parts of the game is just a black screen with text which adds to the experience.

There's also a prequel which I didn't even know about until I finished the game.

Edit2: It's late, errors everywhere. Fuck off Internet.
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lmfao. Good to know. Planned on putting the PS2 away after P4 lol. I'll probably end up playing Nier first considering D2->D3 isn't a direct sequel like D1->D2 is?.
Will probably go at it after LOZ:SS Thanks

[quote name='Narayan' post='3912965' date='Oct 1 2011, 03:44 PM']that is if you are looking for the original setting and understand it, but there are times where some things need to be changed in order to fit in with the target audience. for example, not all filipinos will like how japanese people speak.
i can say this because i grew up watching anime dubbed in filipino. clannad including. but still, clannad was still epic. and i know some people who prefer the dub since they understand it more, not the words meant but the way it was delivered.[/quote]
True. First thing that came to mind with that comment was baccano. Still finishing it but yea. Clannad I still have to see keep hearing great things about it.

[quote name='Augusta' post='3912987' date='Oct 1 2011, 08:04 PM']lmfao. Good to know. Planned on putting the PS2 away after P4 lol. I'll probably end up playing Nier first considering D2->D3 isn't a direct sequel like D1->D2 is?.[/quote]Drakengard fifth ending leads to Nier, I'm guessing Drakengard 2 doesn't matter to Nier's story

[quote name='Narayan' post='3912882' date='Oct 1 2011, 09:01 PM']i didn't get any messiah...

when i fought with nyx i only used alice, cybele and titania.

the compendium was hard to fill...and some guides online doesn't seem to be accurate.[/quote]
Thats because those guide are for Persona 3 on PS2. Persona 3 FES is the one coresponding to the P3P, and even so the P3P has parts which is not the same as FES.

[quote name='Augusta' post='3912900' date='Oct 1 2011, 08:16 PM'][quote name='prowler_' post='3912858' date='Oct 1 2011, 02:47 PM'][quote name='Narayan' post='3912855' date='Oct 1 2011, 06:43 PM']i was playing the undub version[/quote]Congratulations, you just played Persona wrong.
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Never heard the undub of P3P so the dub was very good overall. The only VA that got annoying was Fuuka
Playing P4 undub and the VA's are fantastic.

Undub is better because VA's don't get in the way if you just want to read instead of listen whereas with dubs, you'll read halfway then just stop and listen because someone keeps reading over you.

Undub ftw
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You must really suck at reading if you can't read faster than words are spoken.
Dub > undub, in almost every case.

[quote name='Hells Malice' post='3913084' date='Oct 1 2011, 06:04 PM'][quote name='Augusta' post='3912900' date='Oct 1 2011, 08:16 PM'][quote name='prowler_' post='3912858' date='Oct 1 2011, 02:47 PM'][quote name='Narayan' post='3912855' date='Oct 1 2011, 06:43 PM']i was playing the undub version[/quote]Congratulations, you just played Persona wrong.
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Never heard the undub of P3P so the dub was very good overall. The only VA that got annoying was Fuuka
Playing P4 undub and the VA's are fantastic.

Undub is better because VA's don't get in the way if you just want to read instead of listen whereas with dubs, you'll read halfway then just stop and listen because someone keeps reading over you.

Undub ftw
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You must really suck at reading if you can't read faster than words are spoken.
Dub > undub, in almost every case.
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Not when it comes to VAs, then it's Dub = Undub or Dub < Undub.

[quote name='machomuu' post='3913098' date='Oct 1 2011, 11:15 PM'][quote name='Hells Malice' post='3913084' date='Oct 1 2011, 06:04 PM'][quote name='Augusta' post='3912900' date='Oct 1 2011, 08:16 PM'][quote name='prowler_' post='3912858' date='Oct 1 2011, 02:47 PM'][quote name='Narayan' post='3912855' date='Oct 1 2011, 06:43 PM']i was playing the undub version[/quote]Congratulations, you just played Persona wrong.
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Never heard the undub of P3P so the dub was very good overall. The only VA that got annoying was Fuuka
Playing P4 undub and the VA's are fantastic.

Undub is better because VA's don't get in the way if you just want to read instead of listen whereas with dubs, you'll read halfway then just stop and listen because someone keeps reading over you.

Undub ftw
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You must really suck at reading if you can't read faster than words are spoken.
Dub > undub, in almost every case.
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Not when it comes to VAs, then it's Dub = Undub or Dub < Undub.
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Most dubs these days are great, especially for videogames.
Some games...eh. But most, fantastic. Unless you speak Japanese, then dub > sub. There's absolutely no point to listening to a language you don't understand when you could be listening to one you DO understand, spoken competently.

Its a major weeaboo sign to reject your native language like that.

[quote name='Narayan' post='3912855' date='Oct 1 2011, 08:43 PM']jin, takaya and nyx was easy to beat with me lvl 85 and the others 76-78...nyx was just...i was a bit annoyed by how long it takes for me to kill him...i'm just repeating the cycle of casting stuff...it was a bit tedious.[/quote]

Get Satan and Lucifer and you can just nuke nyx (note you need sp recovery items).
That is how I did it on my first try and it was not that hard for me.

[quote name='Hells Malice' post='3913101' date='Oct 1 2011, 06:25 PM'][quote name='machomuu' post='3913098' date='Oct 1 2011, 11:15 PM'][quote name='Hells Malice' post='3913084' date='Oct 1 2011, 06:04 PM'][quote name='Augusta' post='3912900' date='Oct 1 2011, 08:16 PM'][quote name='prowler_' post='3912858' date='Oct 1 2011, 02:47 PM'][quote name='Narayan' post='3912855' date='Oct 1 2011, 06:43 PM']i was playing the undub version[/quote]Congratulations, you just played Persona wrong.
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Never heard the undub of P3P so the dub was very good overall. The only VA that got annoying was Fuuka
Playing P4 undub and the VA's are fantastic.

Undub is better because VA's don't get in the way if you just want to read instead of listen whereas with dubs, you'll read halfway then just stop and listen because someone keeps reading over you.

Undub ftw
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You must really suck at reading if you can't read faster than words are spoken.
Dub > undub, in almost every case.
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Not when it comes to VAs, then it's Dub = Undub or Dub < Undub.
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Most dubs these days are great, especially for videogames.
Some games...eh. But most, fantastic. Unless you speak Japanese, then dub > sub. There's absolutely no point to listening to a language you don't understand when you could be listening to one you DO understand, spoken competently.

Its a major weeaboo sign to reject your native language like that.
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I don't see what's wrong with preference. Personally I prefer the French Pokemon openings to the English. Personally I prefer Spanish music to American/English. It's all about preference, there's nothing weeaboo about it unless one only does it because it's in Japanese and nothing else.

i think being a weeaboo is a preference

[quote name='.:TeMpEsT:.' post='3913125' date='Oct 1 2011, 07:01 PM']i think being a weeaboo is a preference[/quote]
That doesn't even make any sense.

[quote name='Windaga' post='3912887' date='Oct 1 2011, 08:05 PM']Messiah requires fusing Orpheus and Thanatos, which means you'll need to have maxed out the Death Social Link. Additionally, you'll need to be above level 90.

When I fought Nyx, I used a combination of Persona, but the only Ultimate one I had was Melchizedek
, who's not exactly the strongest Ultimate Persona.

As for filling out the Compendium - I'd use the various calculators available online. Fusion takes persona level into consideration, so even if you're following a guide, if you're not using the same levels, there's a chance you won't get the same resulting Persona.[/quote]
When I fought her, my team was abysmally screwy. I don't remember exactly what I had, but it took me 4 tries to beat her.

And even then, it was only me and one other person left standing when I defeated her.

The weird part was that I didn't even have any other problems with the team I had with other bosses, and half of her forms didn't bother me...until I got to the later parts, and saw how screwy it all was.

[quote name='chinboogie' post='3913108' date='Oct 2 2011, 07:43 AM'][quote name='Narayan' post='3912855' date='Oct 1 2011, 08:43 PM']jin, takaya and nyx was easy to beat with me lvl 85 and the others 76-78...nyx was just...i was a bit annoyed by how long it takes for me to kill him...i'm just repeating the cycle of casting stuff...it was a bit tedious.[/quote]

Get Satan and Lucifer and you can just nuke nyx (note you need sp recovery items).
That is how I did it on my first try and it was not that hard for me.
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well, what i did was akihiko for debuffs aigis for buffs me for healing, debuffs and mesomethingkarn and tetrakarn. mitsuru's the only one who really hits. i need to play defensive or else i'll be wiped out immediately with two megidolaons. also, good thing i did stock up several homonculus.

[quote name='Nujui' post='3913286' date='Oct 2 2011, 10:49 AM'][quote name='Windaga' post='3912887' date='Oct 1 2011, 08:05 PM']Messiah requires fusing Orpheus and Thanatos, which means you'll need to have maxed out the Death Social Link. Additionally, you'll need to be above level 90.

When I fought Nyx, I used a combination of Persona, but the only Ultimate one I had was Melchizedek
, who's not exactly the strongest Ultimate Persona.

As for filling out the Compendium - I'd use the various calculators available online. Fusion takes persona level into consideration, so even if you're following a guide, if you're not using the same levels, there's a chance you won't get the same resulting Persona.[/quote]
When I fought her, my team was abysmally screwy. I don't remember exactly what I had, but it took me 4 tries to beat her.

And even then, it was only me and one other person left standing when I defeated her.

The weird part was that I didn't even have any other problems with the team I had with other bosses, and half of her forms didn't bother me...until I got to the later parts, and saw how screwy it all was.
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lol, that's too many....i just screwed up once, when i got confident and didn't cast matarunda on the enemy and the defensekaja on my team.

about the weaboo:

A non japanese person who basically denounces their own culture and calls themselves japanese. They try to learn japanese through the anime they watch and usually end up pronouncing it wrong and looking like a complete idiot.

KEEP IN MIND: that a non-japanese person can like the culture, watch anime, speak the language and RESPECT THE CULTURE, while still keeping in touch with there own. Which keeps them from being a Weeaboo, japanophile, ect.

Click to expand...

just got this somewhere around the net, not my words but describe what i think about this weaboo stuff.

[quote name='Hells Malice' post='3913101' date='Oct 1 2011, 06:25 PM'][quote name='machomuu' post='3913098' date='Oct 1 2011, 11:15 PM'][quote name='Hells Malice' post='3913084' date='Oct 1 2011, 06:04 PM'][quote name='Augusta' post='3912900' date='Oct 1 2011, 08:16 PM'][quote name='prowler_' post='3912858' date='Oct 1 2011, 02:47 PM'][quote name='Narayan' post='3912855' date='Oct 1 2011, 06:43 PM']i was playing the undub version[/quote]Congratulations, you just played Persona wrong.
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Never heard the undub of P3P so the dub was very good overall. The only VA that got annoying was Fuuka
Playing P4 undub and the VA's are fantastic.

Undub is better because VA's don't get in the way if you just want to read instead of listen whereas with dubs, you'll read halfway then just stop and listen because someone keeps reading over you.

Undub ftw
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You must really suck at reading if you can't read faster than words are spoken.
Dub > undub, in almost every case.
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Not when it comes to VAs, then it's Dub = Undub or Dub < Undub.
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Most dubs these days are great, especially for videogames.
Some games...eh. But most, fantastic. Unless you speak Japanese, then dub > sub. There's absolutely no point to listening to a language you don't understand when you could be listening to one you DO understand, spoken competently.

Its a major weeaboo sign to reject your native language like that.
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How silly. Do you know what weaboo even means? Who's rejecting anything? The setting/Characters/ the whole game revolves around Japanese settings/culture. Why would I not play undub and not get the best experience out of it? Do you watch english movies in another language? No? What's the difference exactly? When you can still get the emotion out of characters speaking a language you don't even understand, why would you even consider playing it in a language it wasn't meant for?

If I appreciate the work of VA's, I'm going to take the time to listen to them.
-I don't have time to let the VA's read endless dialogue.
-Undub, VA's skim through the text like it's nothing. Never interferes.

When games made in their country especially in their settings provide VA's AND subtitles, it's a no brainer to go with undub.

[quote name='Narayan' post='3913467' date='Oct 2 2011, 12:32 AM']about the weaboo:

A non japanese person who basically denounces their own culture and calls themselves japanese. They try to learn japanese through the anime they watch and usually end up pronouncing it wrong and looking like a complete idiot.

KEEP IN MIND: that a non-japanese person can like the culture, watch anime, speak the language and RESPECT THE CULTURE, while still keeping in touch with there own. Which keeps them from being a Weeaboo, japanophile, ect.

Click to expand...

just got this somewhere around the net, not my words but describe what i think about this weaboo stuff.
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And yet somehow I keep getting called one despite the fact that I do none of those things.

*Goes off to eat potato chips in a non-sexy under-dramatized American Fashion*