Former GBAtemp member and suspected pedophile gets 20 year sentence

TheZander · Apr 29, 2017

Memoir said:
Nobody knew or endorsed the cruel? Your ignorance is astounding...

edit: perhaps I was harsh.

I see you understood what I read and simply disagreed.

Now that I see he was a regular member it sort of changes things. But it's not like Mark Zuckerburg makes a post everytime someone on facebook gets in trouble.

NightScript · Apr 29, 2017

TheZander said:
My question is, if he wasn't active here then why hell fuss about him? You're only associating with him this way then. WHy does GBATemp have anything to do with this at all? If a member was caught trying to high-jack missiles would you say something about that too?

Basically there is nothing for GABTEMP to do. No one endorsed him, or knew him so what difference does it make?

Well, its not like if he's going to be accessing the WorldWideWeb once in prison...

The Catboy · Apr 29, 2017

TheZander said:
Want to re-read what I typed jackass?

Here's the thing, this thread was made by request of the community. The community wanted to know and wanted the staff to weigh in on the situation. The longer they waited, the more unease the community became, some even believed there was a cover up. So the staff had to weigh in on this. Then the community even had a chance to lock/move/remove, they once again spoke to keep the thread.
This thread is here by request of the community and stayed by choice of the community.

TheZander · Apr 29, 2017

Crystal the Glaceon said:
Here's the thing, this thread was made by request of the community. The community wanted to know and wanted the staff to weigh in on the situation. The longer they waited, the more unease the community became, some even believed there was a cover up. So the staff had to weigh in on this. Then the community even had a chance to lock/move/remove, they once again spoke to keep the thread.
This thread is here by request of the community and stayed by choice of the community.

Until you linked his post, I had no idea who it was. I had only read the main post. The guy said he was an inactive member, so I assumed he just randomly joined here looking up how to load ROMs on things like a lot of people do. I didn't know he had over 1000 post. It seemed like he felt like associating himself with this thing for no reason.

The Catboy · Apr 29, 2017

TheZander said:
Until you linked his post, I had no idea who it was. I had only read the main post. The guy said he was an inactive member, so I assumed he just randomly joined here looking up how to load ROMs on things like a lot of people do. I didn't know he had over 1000 post. It seemed like he felt like associating himself with this thing for no reason.

Not going to lie, but that's a you problem. He was an extremely active member in the 3DS community and was held in high regard for his contributions to the 3DS scene. He not only made homebrew, but also helped other projects, and even helped with 3ds.guide.
Just because you don't know who he was, doesn't make him some nobody member. He even grew some mild infamy with Nintendo.

TheZander · Apr 29, 2017

Crystal the Glaceon said:
Not going to lie, but that's a you problem. He was an extremely active member in the 3DS community and was held in high regard for his contributions to the 3DS scene. He not only made homebrew, but also helped other projects, and even helped with 3ds.guide.
Just because you don't know who he was, doesn't make him some nobody member. He even grew some mild infamy with Nintendo.

Dude, it's a main site article. I didn't need to do due diligence on my own. I was commenting on "A former member of the community, not extremely active on GBAtemp but known for contributions to several projects on the 3DS hacking scene, "

I read that as some dude who would sometimes tell people their apps are buggy.

The Catboy · Apr 29, 2017

TheZander said:
Dude, it's a main site article. I didn't need to do due diligence on my own. I was commenting on "A former member of the community, not extremely active on GBAtemp but known for contributions to several projects on the 3DS hacking scene, "

I read that as some dude who would sometimes tell people their apps are buggy.

The issue with your post is that you came into a conversation with no knowledge of what happened, person(s) involved, or really anything about the topic on hand. Did you not expect people to say something regarding your ignorance on the topic?

Temptress Cerise · Apr 29, 2017

TheZander said:
Dude, it's a main site article. I didn't need to do due diligence on my own. I was commenting on "A former member of the community, not extremely active on GBAtemp but known for contributions to several projects on the 3DS hacking scene, "

I read that as some dude who would sometimes tell people their apps are buggy.

"not extremely active" - Could just mean he doesn't//didn't shitpost everywhere.

TheZander · Apr 29, 2017

Crystal the Glaceon said:
The issue with your post is that you came into a conversation with no knowledge of what happened, person(s) involved, or really anything about the topic on hand. Did you not expect people to say something regarding your ignorance on the topic?

Pretty much, I was commenting on what I read like I would do on any article.

Honestly, my main point stands. What he did had nothing to do with GBATemp, GBATemp was not involved or mentioned in the article. Maybe some jerks on reddit said coverup nonsense. Since when do mods care if you comment on why they delete stuff? Hell, one of their rules are "don't question are mods actions, they are not open to discussion" I don't get why he felt obligated to clear anything up.

Also, it was just a comment... at first. Saying something off the top of my head, I read the whole post first then said what I thought.

Am I ignorant to details on this dude's past? Sure, does that affect my what I said? No.

The Catboy · Apr 29, 2017

TheZander said:
Pretty much, I was commenting on what I read like I would do on any article.

Honestly, my main point stands. What he did had nothing to do with GBATemp, GBATemp was not involved or mentioned in the article. Maybe some jerks on reddit said coverup nonsense. Since when do mods care if you comment on why they delete stuff? Hell, one of their rules are "don't question are mods actions, they are not open to discussion" I don't get why he felt obligated to clear anything up.

Also, it was just a comment... at first. Saying something off the top of my head, I read the whole post first then said what I thought.

Am I ignorant to details on this dude's past? Sure, does that affect my what I said? No.

Previous statement, this was made by request of the community for the staff to weigh in on. This was a damned if you don't, damned if you do, kind of problem.

TheZander · Apr 29, 2017

Crystal the Glaceon said:
Previous statement, this was made by request of the community for the staff to weigh in on. This was a damned if you don't, damned if you do, kind of problem.

I guess I didn't address that part about how it was by direct request.

I read it as the staff closed a thread that was made by others and discussed amongst themselves whether they should do it again and decided to do it after a verdict. I did not interpret that as the community requesting it, I saw it as the staff was bored and wondered if they should make a thread about it for kicks.

Also I wasn't saying they had no business making the thread, just why bother. It's despicable, same reason news corps are more careful about saying the name of the mass murderer or whatever.

I don't feel especially strong about this, just my two cents. The rest of these post were explaining my cents.

The Catboy · Apr 29, 2017

TheZander said:
I guess I didn't address that part about how it was by direct request.

I read it as the staff closed a thread that was made by others and discussed amongst themselves whether they should do it again and decided to do it after a verdict. I did not interpret that as the community requesting it, I saw it as the staff was bored and wondered if they should make a thread about it for kicks.

Also I wasn't saying they had no business making the thread, just why bother. It's despicable, same reason news corps are more careful about saying the name of the mass murderer or whatever.

I don't feel especially strong about this, just my two cents. The rest of these post were explaining my cents.

The actual thread you might be talking about was moved to the staff section because it contained personal information about a member. It was also moved so they could figure out what to do with the information outside of the public eye. Once it became public knowledge that he was arrested and it was confirmed the account did indeed belong to the arrested man, they promptly banned his account and later made this thread in response to the community

TheZander · Apr 29, 2017

Crystal the Glaceon said:
The actual thread you might be talking about was moved to the staff section because it contained personal information about a member. It was also moved so they could figure out what to do with the information outside of the public eye. Once it became public knowledge that he was arrested and it was confirmed the account did indeed belong to the arrested man, they promptly banned his account and later made this thread in response to the community

Everything I am talking about is in reference to the first post in the thread.

The Catboy · Apr 29, 2017

TheZander said:
Everything I am talking about is in reference to the first post in the thread.

Ah, misunderstood your post, that was my bad. Either way, I will stop bothering you.

dimmidice · Apr 29, 2017

FAST6191 said:
thus far nobody has given me a list of links to the posts in question, screenshots, or at least numbers or pages/names/choice phrases.

Because we can't see deleted posts so it'd kind of hard to do so. And again, just because you don't see them doesn't mean everyone who says this is lying. There were at least 8 i've seen in the last few days. Stop acting so ridiculous.

FAST6191 · Apr 29, 2017

dimmidice said:
Because we can't see deleted posts so it'd kind of hard to do so. And again, just because you don't see them doesn't mean everyone who says this is lying. There were at least 8 i've seen in the last few days. Stop acting so ridiculous.

I would maintain I am not acting ridiculously and have thus far accused none of lying.
In other cases where threads are routinely pruned (say things in which people walk up to the line of copyright bothering, or other contentious issues) people are happy to screenshot, quote (not to mention if someone quotes something there are no ways I know of to edit something such that I can't see it, barring manually editing the database), save, reiterate what they read and more. Some people levelling the support claim have been back time and time again too so I would have hoped they have something. Also I scanned back through the thread at various points after said claims to see if there were things I can miss (and again I can see most deleted and edited posts/post histories), I saw nothing. Most of the ethically dubious stuff seems to be coming from the "burn them all from the first accusation or admittance of a thought" crowd. Many of the claims of support also seem to come from those same, and a few of those seemed to want to hound people for standing in line with the typical legal stance.

It is however kind of irritating to see repeated claims of support for abhorrences and trainwreck thread when I have not seen such things, and many times I have been here throughout periods to be able to metaphorically press f5 a lot. In the case of claims of trainwreck we have certainly enjoyed more civil and light hearted discussions but it is ticking along and enjoying some discussion.

Public support is a fairly radical position to take, and would fully justify things like "I can't believe I am seeing support for", and while I can not see my position changing (age of consent is there for a reason, some places may skew lower than might be ideal and some places somewhat higher, harm done is bad either way) I would be quite interested in actually debating someone there. All these apparent supporters I would love to engage in debate but as nobody can point me at them, and I can not see them I am left wanting, or to engage in devil's advocate against myself and that is boring.

SonicfanCEMUTesting · Apr 29, 2017

Jeez, what he was thinking? Being a goddamn pedophile and hosting a child porn site to the users, which lead him to be sent in jail for 20 years.

P_H_I · Apr 30, 2017

Holy...

smf · Apr 30, 2017

SonicfanCEMUTesting said:
Jeez, what he was thinking? Being a goddamn pedophile and hosting a child porn site to the users, which lead him to be sent in jail for 20 years.

People who host child porn sites are like all criminals, thinking they won't ever get caught. As to what makes them think it's ok, the human brain is very much like a computer and can be corrupted. When your computer goes wrong you can usually tell that it's not working right and then try to get it fixed, when your brain affects your perception of reality then you may not have the ability to realise that you need help.

FAST6191 said:
It is however kind of irritating to see repeated claims of support for abhorrences and trainwreck thread when I have not seen such things, and many times I have been here throughout periods to be able to metaphorically press f5 a lot.

The only support I have seen is from the "it's just a picture, it's not a real person" which is a common stance to take & while I disagree with it then I can see why people take that view. While on the face of it that is a true statement, it is a picture of a real person. It is assumed that if you are prepared to look at a picture for your enjoyment then you would stand and watch the real event happening, essentially cheering it on. Also the person knows that the picture exists & while they don't know that you are looking at it, it is assumed that they find some comfort knowing that people who are looking at it will be punished & that maybe one day the pictures will not be shared.

Age of consent is different all round the world and if someone from a country where the age of consent is 12, then they are going to have a different opinion than someone from a country where the age of consent is 18. Before the internet it would be unlikely for you to be able to have that kind of debate, I suspect that over time as people do become aware of opinions from different countries then the age of consent laws around the world will converge. However even in a country where the age of consent is 12, there are often laws or society applies moral pressure on making sure that the age gap is appropriate.

Anyone condoning child sexual exploitation is in need of therapy. For their sake and the sake of the family, friends and any victims.

FAST6191 · Apr 30, 2017

I saw those posts but they tended to be resolved when someone then pointed out that a person would have to have been involved, and thus there was real harm to be done and consumption thereof could promote more harm. There was a slight discussion when it became apparent that many places have laws that saw "looks like" via makeup/cgi/drawing also count. I am not sure why in every case it is done (with no harm done it is then either going to have to be deemed corrupting/enabling/normalising material, which is a hard argument to make, or done such that it handily blocks an avenue a defence lawyer might use -- first prove it is a real person and all that) but it is what it is.

Age of consent is usually where this all ends up going, though most times I usually see it handwaved among "western" type countries (actually from what I have seen the most moral outrage tends to come when something like the UK laws on teachers/carers/positions of power raising age of are seen to conflict with some notion of freedom, possibly despite then saying but it should be 18) and eyebrow raised for places where being a woman does not make for an easier time of it all.

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