Former GBAtemp member and suspected pedophile gets 20 year sentence

SG854 · Apr 24, 2017

TheDarkGreninja said:
Thats why I said 14 at lowest, seeing as how some 14 year olds are much more mature than even adults. But this is more of a case by cases basis and in general, the older you are the less likely you are to make dumbass mistakes.

I meant higher than 14. Maybe around finishing HS age would be appropriate.

Bimmel · Apr 24, 2017

Clydefrosch said:
and seeing the kind of emotionalized misinformation spread on topics relating to the case, i'm honestly not sure if there's much reason to keep this thing here open to continue that.

I'm totally with you.

I can't even understand why this is on the front page to be honest. Many people here seem not to be ready for these kind of topics.

TheDarkGreninja · Apr 24, 2017

SG854 said:
I meant higher than 14. Maybe around finishing HS age would be appropriate.

That'd be fine.

DeslotlCL · Apr 24, 2017

Bimmel said:
I'm totally with you.

I can't even understand why this is on the front page to be honest. Many people here seem not to be ready for these kind of topics.

As i said in a past post, it might be due to the desire to protect the forum's childrens by informing them, so they can be more careful with who they interact over here and on the internet.

These kind of topics should be discussed to kids, not talking about it to them would be worse.

TheDarkGreninja · Apr 24, 2017

DespyCL said:
As i said in a past post, it might be due to the desire to protect the forum's childrens by informing them, so they can be more careful with who they interact over here and on the internet.

These kind of topics should be discussed to kids, not talking about it to them would be worse.

I feel this kind of stuff is what needs to posted somewhere on forums, a dedicated page to avoiding and reporting people who make these kinds of advances should exist imo.

FAST6191 · Apr 24, 2017

mech said:
I cant believe how many paedophile sympathisers are on this forum, i'm fucking disgusted.

One generally goes on harm that is done or directly being planned, assuming you mean people that have not acted but have certain dispositions that could lead there. If you wish to advocate that harsher actions be taken on those in such a position, even if they have not hurt anybody, have no intention of hurting anybody and maybe even wish to take active steps to ensure that, then so it goes, however know it goes against most guiding principles of law and ethics.

I seriously think GBAtemp shouldn't be meddling with giving consequences to people for the actions that they do that have no relation to the site. This is opening the door for so many people to complain about double standards.

At various points we have had threads with the set that is inclined to make the EOF an unfunny place, and despite walking up to the line but actually never crossing (possibly all the while crying freedumb of sp33chy) they find themselves shown the door. The rationale being that if their stay here is going to be unproductive then "door over there, use it or you will be used to open it". Is this not an option for a variation on the theme of that?

The Catboy · Apr 24, 2017

Bimmel said:
I'm totally with you.

I can't even understand why this is on the front page to be honest. Many people here seem not to be ready for these kind of topics.

It was mentioned before, but it's on the main page because people wanted it to be brought up by the staff. There were several growing concerns from users like, "Why didn't they ban him sooner?" "Why did they allow a member like this to stay on the site?" and other questions. Then came the conspiracies that GBATemp were covering up the case for some reason.
So the staff basically had to post this because if they didn't, then they were damned again for not weighing in. People would have kept complaining that this issue wasn't being touched on by Staff and that there had to be reason why etc.
Like I said before, Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

TheDarkGreninja · Apr 24, 2017

Crystal the Glaceon said:
. Then came the conspiracies that GBATemp were covering up the case for some reason.

Wait, what?

Ev1l0rd · Apr 24, 2017

Bimmel said:
I'm totally with you.

I can't even understand why this is on the front page to be honest. Many people here seem not to be ready for these kind of topics.

Because some /r/3dshacks users lost their shit at GBATemp mods for not instantly banning TheCruel. Which they actually did. Which then causes an even bigger shitstorm here because most GBATemp users are leeches for drama and love to get their opinion in, even if said opinion is morally wrong and factually incorrect. Personally, I was fine with the way it was handled up till now (basically, new freeShop thread by the new maintainer old thread locked and Minox told everyone who kept the drama fire going to GTFO and get back to discussing freeShop in the old thread). The current statement, while I support it, should either have been made immediately or not at all. Now it seems like they're doing damage control because someone lost their shit, instead of them sending a very important message. Just my thoughts.

The Catboy · Apr 24, 2017

TheDarkGreninja said:
Wait, what?

Yeah, that happened
This is why the staff couldn't sit around and ignore this case. People actually believe the staff were covering it up.

jurassicplayer · Apr 24, 2017

MrVojo said:
His site was spammed with cp when he was out of state for a couple of years.

I can actually imagine that quite easily. The VNDS forum once was spammed by that sort of thing too...but nobody did any witchhunting ._. I GUESS IT WASN'T BIG ENOUGH FOR YOU PEOPLE D:<

SG854 · Apr 24, 2017

FAST6191 said:
One generally goes on harm that is done or directly being planned, assuming you mean people that have not acted but have certain dispositions that could lead there. If you wish to advocate that harsher actions be taken on those in such a position, even if they have not hurt anybody, have no intention of hurting anybody and maybe even wish to take active steps to ensure that, then so it goes, however know it goes against most guiding principles of law and ethics.

At various points we have had threads with the set that is inclined to make the EOF an unfunny place, and despite walking up to the line but actually never crossing (possibly all the while crying freedumb of sp33chy) they find themselves shown the door. The rationale being that if their stay here is going to be unproductive then "door over there, use it or you will be used to open it". Is this not an option for a variation on the theme of that?

As long as they do act on anything then its ok, humans have historically married at a young age, but with changing times laws have been created against marrying young till people have reached mental maturity, not physical maturity.

TheDarkGreninja · Apr 24, 2017

Crystal the Glaceon said:
Yeah, that happened
This is why the staff couldn't sit around and ignore this case. People actually believe the staff were covering it up.

What the hell would the staff get out of covering that up? Not like TheCruel couldve given them any money.

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SG854 said:
As long as they do act on anything then its ok, humans have historically and married at a young age, but with changing times laws have been created against marrying young till people have reached mental maturity, not physical maturity.

Mental maturity is a much better metric than physical.

And I agree, if they don't act on it I see no issues. The same goes with any mental disposition, not just attraction.

Ev1l0rd · Apr 24, 2017

TheDarkGreninja said:
What the hell would the staff get out of covering that up? Not like TheCruel couldve given them any money.

People love seeing conspiracy theories where there are none. Especially when the userbase of GBATemp and /r/3dshacks is around 15-16 year olds. Those type of people love seeing conspiracies everywhere.

TheDarkGreninja · Apr 24, 2017

Ev1l0rd said:
People love seeing conspiracy theories where there are none. Especially when the userbase of GBATemp and /r/3dshacks is around 15-16 year olds. Those type of people love seeing conspiracies everywhere.

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Indeed, it would seem that most kids are incapable of rational thought.

Nagarjuna · Apr 24, 2017

MrVojo said:
I know this because I'm his brother. He didn't have a second site. He only had that one programming site.

If this is true then I am deeply sorry for you and Cruel. Thanks to the media portraying him as the "bad guy", the rest of his life will be ruined because some stupid kid decided to spam his site with CP. I wish you and your brother the best of luck, and if he is found innocent, take care of him. These things can lead to mental issues.

plasma · Apr 24, 2017

lmao the lad was a nonce, the staff explained themselves - should be the end of it right?

DarthDub · Apr 24, 2017

You get into legal troubles if you don't specify rules and whatnot for uploading things to a website..

zoogie · Apr 24, 2017

Plasma Shadow said:
lmao the lad was a nonce, the staff explained themselves - should be the end of it right?

Nope! Gotta let the 15 year old philosophers have their say.

Bimmel · Apr 24, 2017

DespyCL said:
As i said in a past post, it might be due to the desire to protect the forum's childrens by informing them, so they can be more careful with which who they interact over here and on the internet.

These kind of topics should be discussed to kids, not talking about it to them would be worse.

You have a point there. Of course it should be discussed what can happen. But as Clydefrosch wrote, there are more things to understand then "Hey, there was a pedophile as a user here".

Crystal the Glaceon said:
It was mentioned before, but it's on the main page because people wanted it to be brought up by the staff. There were several growing concerns from users like, "Why didn't they ban him sooner?" "Why did they allow a member like this to stay on the site?" and other questions. Then came the conspiracies that GBATemp were covering up the case for some reason.
So the staff basically had to post this because if they didn't, then they were damned again for not weighing in. People would have kept complaining that this issue wasn't being touched on by Staff and that there had to be reason why etc.
Like I said before, Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Ev1l0rd said:
Because some /r/3dshacks users lost their shit at GBATemp mods for not instantly banning TheCruel. Which they actually did. Which then causes an even bigger shitstorm here because most GBATemp users are leeches for drama and love to get their opinion in, even if said opinion is morally wrong and factually incorrect. Personally, I was fine with the way it was handled up till now (basically, new freeShop thread by the new maintainer old thread locked and Minox told everyone who kept the drama fire going to GTFO and get back to discussing freeShop in the old thread). The current statement, while I support it, should either have been made immediately or not at all. Now it seems like they're doing damage control because someone lost their shit, instead of them sending a very important message. Just my thoughts.

I see. Didn't know the drama was this intense. Under these circumstances, I understand now why it's on the front page. We should just not let the thread escalate in the wrong way.

My 2 cents for this topic: Never forget that these are real people with needs and desires. They are just "unlucky" to have a problem like that.
Not saying it's okay what these people are eventually doing - but swap places for a second and you'll know how cruel this shit really is.

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