Hacking Switch goes into DFU mode when you remove the eMMC module!

Alkéryn · Mar 27, 2017

jupitteer said:
No, it's not. If it is rewritable, it is not rom.

That's what i'm saying, what you don't understand is that we often call rom chip that aren't rom
sometime it is a chip that is just software protected and the manifacturer call it rom

but it happen really often that we call a chip a rom while it isn't
so even if it is a bootROM it dosen't necesarlly mean that it is a rom or at least a true one (it could be blocked only via software while the hardware IS rewritable)
of course rom memory exist but it isn't because something is called a "ROM" that it is one

Deleted member 414991 · Mar 27, 2017

Alkéryn said:
That's what i'm saying, what you don't understand is that we often call rom chip that aren't rom
sometime it is a chip that is just software protected and the manifacturer call it rom

but it happen really often that we call a chip a rom while it isn't
so even if it is a bootROM it dosen't necesarlly mean that it is a rom or at least a true one (it could be blocked only via software while the hardware IS rewritable)
of course rom memory exist but it isn't because something is called a "ROM" that it is one

No. Software is semi-ROM, as it can be changed to be RW-E, but all chips called ROM are ROM.

Alkéryn · Mar 27, 2017

jupitteer said:
No. Software is semi-ROM, as it can be changed to be RW-E, but all chips called ROM are ROM.

Not
If they are called rom (the chip itself ) yes
but take for example smartphone where manifacturers says ROM instead of nand for the memory
Its often a missuse of the term and i don't know why they do it but they do
It ocur very often than a manifacturer says rom while it isn't
On top of that even some hardware roms can be flashed unusual ways
Ex: some bios can be HW flashed but are not supposed to even though the manifacturer call it a rom, often it isn't

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Plus bootrom dosn't mean it is a ROM

Ex we says rom for games
rom for storage
rom for bootroms even though they are often rewriteable

And android phones have Bootroms that ARE rewritable
but they call it "ROM" not because it isn't rewritable but because the users is not supposed to

Deleted member 414991 · Mar 27, 2017

Alkéryn said:
Not
If they are called rom (the chip itself ) yes
but take for example smartphone where manifacturers says ROM instead of nand for the memory
Its often a missuse of the term and i don't know why they do it but they do
It ocur very often than a manifacturer says rom while it isn't
On top of that even some hardware roms can be flashed unusual ways
Ex: some bios can be HW flashed but are not supposed to even though the manifacturer call it a rom, often it isn't

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Plus bootrom dosn't mean it is a ROM

Ex we says rom for games
rom for storage
rom for bootroms even though they are often rewriteable

And android phones have Bootroms that ARE rewritable
but they call it "ROM" not because it isn't rewritable but because the users is not supposed to

The proper term for a phone 'bootrom' is a bootLOADER. We call games roms because cartridges are read-only. Some manufacturers do improperly site the storage medium as a ROM chip, however. That is on their part for using it improperly. And the 3ds bootrom IS read only.

Alkéryn · Mar 27, 2017

jupitteer said:
The proper term for a phone 'bootrom' is a bootLOADER. We call games roms because cartridges are read-only. Some manufacturers do improperly site the storage medium as a ROM chip, however. That is on their part for using it improperly. And the 3ds bootrom IS read only.

Yes i wasn't saying that the switch bootrom isn't read only
my point is that it isn't because it is called a bootrom that it is one
so who knows maybe it is one, maybe it isn't but neither me or you know it

And saying it is a ROM because it is called a bootrom isn't a valuable point the only way to know it is to open a switch and to verify if the chip is indeed a ROM or not

Deleted member 414991 · Mar 27, 2017

Alkéryn said:
Yes i wasn't saying that the switch bootrom isn't read only
my point is that it isn't because it is called a bootrom that it is one
so who knows maybe it is one, maybe it isn't but neither me or you know it

And saying it is a ROM because it is called a bootrom isn't a valuable point the only way to know it is to open a switch and to verify if the chip is indeed a ROM or not

There is no way nintendo has the boot sector as writable. They are not stupid enough to do that. They're stupid, just not THAT stupid.

Alkéryn · Mar 27, 2017

jupitteer said:
There is no way nintendo has the boot sector as writable. They are not stupid enough to do that. They're stupid, just not THAT stupid.

Again not a valuable point even if it would be a stupid decision, it dosen't mean they didn't made it

They could have some reason to do so too
For example patching a bootloader issue
and maybe the chip's nand is then verified with a checksum behind so that it is rewritable but will only boot if it is flashed with nintendo certified code which wouldn't be that dumb of a decision
again then we could find a way to pass through the cheksum

Saiyan Lusitano · Mar 27, 2017

Cool discovery. Will keep an eye on this thread to keep up with the conversation.

I just wanna play Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Online) on my Switch.

Jackson Ferrell · Mar 27, 2017

Shouldn't we hold off until the end of 2017 when there are enough games out to do it, otherwise other third-parties may or may not see this as a wasted investment if it's hacked so early on?

ItsKipz · Mar 27, 2017

Jackson Ferrell said:
Shouldn't we hold off until the end of 2017 when there are enough games out to do it, otherwise other third-parties may or may not see this as a wasted investment if it's hacked so early on?

why would hacking = wasted investment?

Jackson Ferrell · Mar 28, 2017

ItsKipz said:
why would hacking = wasted investment?

If you see something really nice, but it's all dirtied or rotten (like a fruit for example), would you buy it?
And from another perspective, if the farmer making that fruit only produced rotten fruit, would you invest in them?

Deleted member 414991 · Mar 28, 2017

Jackson Ferrell said:
If you see something really nice, but it's all dirtied or rotten (like a fruit for example), would you buy it?
And from another perspective, if the farmer making that fruit only produced rotten fruit, would you invest in them?

The amount of people who hack their console is VERY small, even lower for people who hack it to a point where they can pirate.

Jackson Ferrell · Mar 28, 2017

jupitteer said:
The amount of people who hack their console is VERY small, even lower for people who hack it to a point where they can pirate.

I'm just saying it may impact on potential third party interest in the future (or maybe not. But still)

cyrushehe · Mar 28, 2017

Jackson Ferrell said:
I'm just saying it may impact on potential third party interest in the future (or maybe not. But still)

Quick questions:
1. What system has the most third party games of all time and will continue to retain that title, likely forever?
2. What system is hands down the easiest to modify however you like, hack and pirate on?
I'll give you a hint: Same system.

Deleted User · Mar 28, 2017

jupitteer said:
There is no way nintendo has the boot sector as writable. They are not stupid enough to do that. They're stupid, just not THAT stupid.

But then again though. they were dumb enough to leave the otp decrypted back in 2.1

Swan1360 · Mar 28, 2017

Jackson Ferrell said:
I'm just saying it may impact on potential third party interest in the future (or maybe not. But still)

Most pc game are gonna pirated , that doesn't stop people from developing games on pc. And plus it takes no effort at all to pirate games on pc.

guisadop · Mar 28, 2017

cyrushehe said:
Quick questions:
1. What system has the most third party games of all time and will continue to retain that title, likely forever?
2. What system is hands down the easiest to modify however you like, hack and pirate on?
I'll give you a hint: Same system.

PS2

uyjulian · Apr 24, 2018

julialy said:
Maybe we can load our own softwares through USB... DFU code exec anybody? If the bootrom is read-only, this can't be fixed :-)

reminder: I said this first :-)

TheZander · Apr 24, 2018

julialy said:
reminder: I said this first :-)

Fucking leaker

pokemoner2500 · Apr 24, 2018

Holy shit lol

Hacking Switch goes into DFU mode when you remove the eMMC module!

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